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Post by Reefs on Mar 14, 2013 22:45:49 GMT -5
Greetings.. Now you're just being mean. Mean? no.. not by comparison to you.. Be well.. It's just being mean. And it's also disrespectful and closed-minded.
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Post by laughter on Mar 14, 2013 22:55:15 GMT -5
Dear Mr. Reefs, In the spirit of the current OHD, a link would seem apropo! -- with cometlike regards I already gave the link here. ahh ok I see it now, thx: Greetings.. Nonsense. If a cat wrote what Tzu wrote, I would know the cat saw enemies. LOL.. Either stop gaming the forum, or give yourself more credit than that.. your statement creates the illusion, i hope it's an illusion, that you are attached to your pride of self-image, believing you can 'know' what you cannot.. No, you really don't 'know', what Tzu or a cat saw.. there is only one 'enemy', it is expectation, also referred to as 'attachment'.. Be well.. Greetings.. This quote sums it up. Each serious seeker is driven to ask his/her questions until the questioning is seen through. Behind every question is the assumption that there is a person asking the question. This is the fundamental illusion. All this stuff about discernment, clarity of purpose, freedom, etc. is mindstuff added on top of other mindstuff. WHO needs discernment, clarity of purpose, freedom, etc? WHO is bound? Stay "outside" with ATA or go "inside" with shikan taza; take your pick, but leave "checking" at the door, and forget about making "progress." Look (either outside or inside)! Stay with non-conceptual looking and attend the activity of whatever is happening. Don't reinforce the illusion of selfhood with the habit of incessant verbal self-referentiality. The house of cards will collapse in its own good time as long as the cards aren't constantly being re-arranged or re-constructed. What will happen if personhood collapses? First, an end to the search. Second, the end of trying to control the mind, silence the mind, or direct the mind. And third, the loss of a sense of a "me in here behind the eyes" looking out at "a world out there in front of the eyes." Otherwise, things will go on just as before. The body/mind will go about its business free from the illusion there that is a little person inside the body directing activities. Life will be what it is and what it always has been---THIS, doing what THIS does. THIS writes and types and sometimes listens to ice cubes falling into a cup at McD's. It is really that simple. One other bit of off-the-wall advice is to read "Collision With the Infinite" five or six times. That book has a strange way of seeping down into the subconscious and loosening things up. Several people I know have been strongly affected by the way Segal writes about the fiction of selfhood. It may not help, but it's worth a go. Hi ZD: 'Who' is it that offers this adivce? Who is it that discerns its self worthy of directing the self-discovery of others? Lead others to clarity, and clarity will do the rest.. attachment is the antithesis of clarity, attachment even to clarity, but.. clarity is the most direct way past attachment to 'clarity'.. Be well.. I can imagine attachment in the absence of expectation so I'd have to simply discount that later definition (the March 13th definition) as not a definition and just a localized use of the word attachment, after all, my apologies for what could have but didn't seem to throw you off the scent. Here, I've cleaned up from my dumpster-dive so you can borrow my:
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 14, 2013 23:37:55 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Mad? at you? lol, nope, you are waaay too entertaining to be 'mad' at.. all bowed-up thinking you're 'all that', banging away at your keyboard and dumpster-divin'.. oh hell no, i'm nowhere close to 'mad'.. Let's talk about your anger issues, though.. you bring nothing but provocation and angry intimidation to the forum, poking at people, most likely because you have no awareness of the real issues being discussed, so like a good troll, you're everywhere.. stirring-up chaos where you can, trying to appear like you understand what going on.. Oh, i'm sorry, did you find something in the dumpster.. no, stop chasing your tail and actually 'look'.. i'm not Andrew, if you can't find it, then you simply can't find it.. not my problem, not even interested, really.. but you seem so.. what's the word??Be well.. ESAplus massive cop outYou seem so.. angry? yeah, but that just your nature, what's that other word? no, not ESA, whatever that is.. no, there's this one special word.. i'm sure you know the word.. anyway, nope no cop out.. but you think you're a bright kid, so keep at it, you'll figure out why it's not a 'cop out', or you'll demonstrate that you not as bright as you think.. is this fun or what?? Be well..
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Post by enigma on Mar 15, 2013 1:21:19 GMT -5
Dear Mr. Reefs, Please remove the lovey-specs, the kind and gentle Mr. Tzu' has indeed provided his definition, albeit outside of this particular open and honest discussion: it is expectation, also referred to as 'attachment'.. -- rotflmao I expect it to rain tonight. Not really attached to it one way or the other, though.
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Post by arisha on Mar 15, 2013 1:58:06 GMT -5
Rolling On Floor Laughing Trolling. That is all you are doing here. But you support the team, so they prefer to not notice that you are trolling.
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Post by topology on Mar 15, 2013 10:31:13 GMT -5
Rolling On Floor Laughing Trolling. That is all you are doing here. But you support the team, so they prefer to not notice that you are trolling. So much love and happiness....
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Post by Beingist on Mar 15, 2013 10:42:04 GMT -5
Trolling. That is all you are doing here. But you support the team, so they prefer to not notice that you are trolling. So much love and happiness.... Ain't it da truth! (Funny, though, I still love her. There is still an endearing quality to Don Rickles types).
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Post by Reefs on Mar 15, 2013 11:10:31 GMT -5
Dear Mr. Reefs, Please remove the lovey-specs, the kind and gentle Mr. Tzu' has indeed provided his definition, albeit outside of this particular open and honest discussion: -- rotflmao I expect it to rain tonight. Not really attached to it one way or the other, though. Webster: attachment = 1) a seizure by legal process 2) a) the state of being personally attached b) affectionate regard 3) a device attached to a machine or implement 4) the physical connection by which one thing is attached to another 5) the process of physically attaching attached = 1) connected or joined to something 2) emotionally connected : having strong feelings of affection nothin' about expectation here...
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 15, 2013 11:18:56 GMT -5
I expect it to rain tonight. Not really attached to it one way or the other, though. Webster: attachment = 1) a seizure by legal process 2) a) the state of being personally attached b) affectionate regard 3) a device attached to a machine or implement 4) the physical connection by which one thing is attached to another 5) the process of physically attaching attached = 1) connected or joined to something 2) emotionally connected : having strong feelings of affection nothin' about expectation here... LOL.. it seems that you may be "emotionally connected" to finding an answer you believe you don't already have.. now, back to the dumpster.. you can do this, your 'expectation' of a particular result will carry the battle.. tear that dumpster apart!! Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2013 13:22:25 GMT -5
wake up son o' mine momma got somethin' to tell you
changes come life will have its way with your pride, son take it like a man
hang on son o' mine a storm is blowin' up your horizon
changes come keep your dignity take the high road take it like a man
listen up son o' mine momma got something to tell you all about growin' pains life will pound away where the light don't shine, son take it like a man
suck it up son o' mine thunder blowin' up your horizon
changes come (changes come) keep your dignity (keep your dignity) take the high road (take the high road) take it like a man (take it like a man)
momma said like the rain (this too shall pass) like a kidney stone (this too shall pass) it's just a broken heart, son this pain will pass away
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Post by laughter on Mar 15, 2013 13:36:56 GMT -5
Thanks for the. Share. Wren. ... you sorta' remind me of someone else
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Post by enigma on Mar 15, 2013 19:23:36 GMT -5
I expect it to rain tonight. Not really attached to it one way or the other, though. Webster: attachment = 1) a seizure by legal process 2) a) the state of being personally attached b) affectionate regard 3) a device attached to a machine or implement 4) the physical connection by which one thing is attached to another 5) the process of physically attaching attached = 1) connected or joined to something 2) emotionally connected : having strong feelings of affection nothin' about expectation here... I expected as much.
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Post by laughter on Mar 15, 2013 19:30:05 GMT -5
I wonder if Tzu' is a fan of Mary Poppins ... I seem to imagine the emergence of a new term of art: anticlarattachpectation
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Post by Reefs on Mar 15, 2013 22:40:19 GMT -5
I wonder if Tzu' is a fan of Mary Poppins ... I seem to imagine the emergence of a new term of art: anticlarattachpectation You're probably confusing Tzu with Andrew here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2013 13:55:20 GMT -5
Tzu likes it respectful, direct, honest and - most importantly - open. To be sure that we get that message, he mentioned it a few more times, specifically here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and hereWell, that's a long list, a lot of repetition. It's almost spamming. For what, actually? So that we - or more specifically, Enigma - will get the message? The main message seems to be that Enigma refuses to participate in open and honest discussions that Tzu appreciates so much and the subliminal message here seems to be that this kind of behavior is ... lets face it Tzu ... WRONG - at least that's how your message comes across. Or is your message that YOU are open and honest and respectful and the sub-message that ENIGMA is NOT open and honest and respectful is just a minor side effect? Tzu, you've already made your point a gazillion times. We now know what kind of discussions you want - at least in theory. And Enigma is obviously not going to change for you and is not going to put greetings and well wishes into his posts no matter how often you repeat your OHDM. So, why are you still trying to get into an open and honest discussion with Enigma? Is there a possibility that you just let Enigma be Enigma? Wouldn't it be easier to just ignore him? Or is that not an option? Just wondering... Greetings.. Thanks for the nice little chat, Top.. i can understand the need for your vacation, earlier.. Be well.. that's fu.ckin' low Bob Concur. And btw .. what's the purpose of intentionally not capitalizing your i's?
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