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Post by laughter on Jan 8, 2013 0:19:12 GMT -5
Non-duality has nada to do with self-examination. lol ... does Silver offer her own provocation here ? Hey, you're safe with me ... please tell me what brought you to that conclusion? I can say from my own experience that it was self-examination that morphed a belief in material monism to a notice of the non-dual pointer ... I'll treat whatever your thoughts are on this with respect, I promise!
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Post by laughter on Jan 8, 2013 0:21:51 GMT -5
Where in the world did THIS come from? Spam. funny stuff too ....
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Post by Beingist on Jan 8, 2013 0:23:01 GMT -5
Well, first of all, any 'falling out' is really irrelevant, in the broader scheme of 'what is'. So, regardless of any disagreements I may have with anyone here, life goes on. Forum discussion continues. As far as a consensus, someone mentioned some posts back, that it can be like a 'too cool for school' club around here, and I kinda have to agree with that. It's just pointless to harp on it. No one here denies that they have an ego, and egos understand that there is strength in numbers. Otherwise, if there IS a consensus around here, I'd say it's really about letting go of yourself, and the thoughts about yourself--i.e., losing the 'person'. Such is expressed in myriad ways. It's basically Neo-Advaita. If you think any of this is about being in a 'cool club' then what I wish for you is a bit of ongoing condescention, ridicule and hatefullness coming your way. Let me know how cool it feels to have friends tell you they've lost all respect for you, and to know without a doubt that certain posts will contain the same vile accusations over and over, not for a while, but for years. let me know what it feels like to be accused of subverting the forum, manipulating, controlling, distorting, when all you want to do is help. I'm not whining, and if I had a problem with it, I wouldn't be here. I'm just trying to discourage the 'too cool for school' image a bit. Not saying it's a conscious thing, but I'd be lying if I said that it didn't appear, at times to be like a club of sorts. I'm not blaming anyone for it. For the record, I can also see the wellspring of completely unfounded accusations directed toward you, specifically, E, and in some cases, have even tried to defuse them. At the same time, however, I have faith that Truth needs no defense, so mostly, I say nothing. I've heard several teachers over the years occasionally say something to the effect that you 'speak the truth, only the truth, then you get outta town', basically because so many peeps don't want to hear it, and will hate you for it. I'll give you credit for dealing with it for so long, but after so long, I figure you're probably accustomed to it. As far as losing all respect, you got some back from me, when you clarified that the concept of consciousness can be as a dream.
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 8, 2013 0:25:20 GMT -5
You talkin' ta me? No, I"m not angry. I don't have ta ask you, I already know the answer to that one. The problem is that you need altercations for you well-being right now. Same for Tzu. You both are lazy focusers. So you need others to help you out. The difference between the two of you is that you are usually down there at the bottom on the emotional scale at powerlessness and Tzu scores a little higher at hatred. So to feel better, you both have to move up that scale. For you it would be moving into hatred, to Tzu's starting point. For Tzu it would be to move into revenge. So you both are very happy when you can get into altercations, in fact you need them for your well-being. I watched you two over Christmas when no one was really interested in interacting with the two of you. You fell back into your black hole of despair and Tzu had no target for his hate and posted a little aimlessly along. As soon as others were posting again, the two of you became alive again. But it also turned into drama again. It's just the natural and simple mechanics of trying to feel better at all cost. The problem is, that moving up the emotional scale from that down below is usually only possible if others can be involved (as objects of attention). But if it's taking too long, then it's only at the expense of others. And that's the case here with you and Tzu. edit: And I don't think that it is in alignment with the general forum intention to baby-sit you two on your way up that scale. LOL.. says you who provokes and taunts in your self-inflated self-image of the pretense of a no-self.. you judge poorly, as you have yet to move past your attachment to your own self-image, and.. thinking that your antagonizing belligerent sarcasm has a purpose, you perpetuate it to feed your self-image.. a feedback loop that keeps you trapped in your attachment to beliefs.. then, finding companionship and back-patting buddies in E and Portto, y'all feel empowered to bludgeon others with your beliefs and sarcasm, absent any intent to have an honest discussion that isn't structured to your advantage with terms and stipulations defined by 'your beliefs'.. the only interest you have is hearing others agree with you.. a deeply 'personal' perspective, in the same way you take offense at challenges and react with ridicule and aggression.. Tzu, "hatred"? LOL, not even close.. a lot of compassion, though, if it were not so, i wouldn't bother to invite open honest discussion.. you are seeing through the lens of your own prejudices, your own conflicts with what 'is' vs what you 'think' is.. but, you can let all that go, you can just look and see what 'is', without all the babble about illusions, no-persons, neo-ad beliefs, etc.. without all the drama of provoking people into your neo-ad scam.. get past that, control your thoughts and beliefs, 'cause they're controlling you right now.. just look and see, look at the drama you and E provoke.. liberation and peace is the absence of that.. Be well..
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Post by Reefs on Jan 8, 2013 0:25:56 GMT -5
Non-duality has nada to do with self-examination. lol ... does Silver offer her own provocation here ? Hey, you're safe with me ... please tell me what brought you to that conclusion? I can say from my own experience that it was self-examination that morphed a belief in material monism to a notice of the non-dual pointer ... I'll treat whatever your thoughts are on this with respect, I promise! Yeah, that's your story: "The road from material Monism to Non-duality with a couple of Niz in my pocket."
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Post by Reefs on Jan 8, 2013 0:27:20 GMT -5
You still play the innocent victim. I left you alone for a month. Enigma did the same for the most part. But you just couldn't stay away. You always had to make comments. You are unable to focus. Inability to focus is spiritual pre-kindergarten. We can't help you here. Learn how to stay focused on topic for more than 5 posts and then come back. Reminds me of: Horse stance: 45 seconds. ;D Haha, right! However, freejoy was much better at simulating sincerity than Silver.
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Post by silver on Jan 8, 2013 0:27:23 GMT -5
Non-duality has nada to do with self-examination. lol ... does Silver offer her own provocation here ? Hey, you're safe with me ... please tell me what brought you to that conclusion? I can say from my own experience that it was self-examination that morphed a belief in material monism to a notice of the non-dual pointer ... I'll treat whatever your thoughts are on this with respect, I promise! Elementary, my Dear Watson. You are an extrovert. Right? Basic personality types - that's all it takes to be one who leans in the direction of introspection / deep thoughts and that whole 9 yards. I'm fairly amazed you were unawares.
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Post by Beingist on Jan 8, 2013 0:28:12 GMT -5
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Post by Beingist on Jan 8, 2013 0:29:44 GMT -5
lol ... does Silver offer her own provocation here ? Hey, you're safe with me ... please tell me what brought you to that conclusion? I can say from my own experience that it was self-examination that morphed a belief in material monism to a notice of the non-dual pointer ... I'll treat whatever your thoughts are on this with respect, I promise! Yeah, that's your story: "The road from material Monism to Non-duality with a couple of Niz in my pocket." I'll see your Nizzes, and I'll raise you a Ramana!
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Post by laughter on Jan 8, 2013 0:39:55 GMT -5
lol ... does Silver offer her own provocation here ? Hey, you're safe with me ... please tell me what brought you to that conclusion? I can say from my own experience that it was self-examination that morphed a belief in material monism to a notice of the non-dual pointer ... I'll treat whatever your thoughts are on this with respect, I promise! Elementary, my Dear Watson. You are an extrovert. Right? Basic personality types - that's all it takes to be one who leans in the direction of introspection / deep thoughts and that whole 9 yards. I'm fairly amazed you were unawares. ah, ok, I see where you're coming from there .... but you see, you've tried to assign an attribute of one's inner state based on observation of the outer ... Looks are deceptive! ;D
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Post by Reefs on Jan 8, 2013 0:42:30 GMT -5
TZU: ".. you are seeing through the lens of your own prejudices, your own conflicts with what 'is' vs what you 'think' is.. but, you can let all that go, you can just look and see what 'is', without all the babble about illusions, no-persons, neo-ad beliefs, etc.. without all the drama of provoking people into your neo-ad scam.. get past that, control your thoughts and beliefs, 'cause they're controlling you right now.. just look and see, look at the drama you and E provoke.. liberation and peace is the absence of that.. Be well.."
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Post by silver on Jan 8, 2013 0:48:20 GMT -5
Elementary, my Dear Watson. You are an extrovert. Right? Basic personality types - that's all it takes to be one who leans in the direction of introspection / deep thoughts and that whole 9 yards. I'm fairly amazed you were unawares. ah, ok, I see where you're coming from there .... but you see, you've tried to assign an attribute of one's inner state based on observation of the outer ... Looks are deceptive! ;D I......no?
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 8, 2013 0:49:27 GMT -5
TZU: ".. you are seeing through the lens of your own prejudices, your own conflicts with what 'is' vs what you 'think' is.. but, you can let all that go, you can just look and see what 'is', without all the babble about illusions, no-persons, neo-ad beliefs, etc.. without all the drama of provoking people into your neo-ad scam.. get past that, control your thoughts and beliefs, 'cause they're controlling you right now.. just look and see, look at the drama you and E provoke.. liberation and peace is the absence of that.. Be well.." LOL.. your 'personal' beliefs are showing.. Be well..
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Post by Reefs on Jan 8, 2013 0:50:04 GMT -5
Tzu, "hatred"? LOL, not even close.. a lot of compassion, though, if it were not so, i wouldn't bother to invite open honest discussion.. Open and honest discussion in the Land of Tzu.
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Post by Reefs on Jan 8, 2013 0:52:30 GMT -5
TZU: ".. you are seeing through the lens of your own prejudices, your own conflicts with what 'is' vs what you 'think' is.. but, you can let all that go, you can just look and see what 'is', without all the babble about illusions, no-persons, neo-ad beliefs, etc.. without all the drama of provoking people into your neo-ad scam.. get past that, control your thoughts and beliefs, 'cause they're controlling you right now.. just look and see, look at the drama you and E provoke.. liberation and peace is the absence of that.. Be well.." LOL.. your 'personal' beliefs are showing.. Be well.. Just pointing at your trancey language, your hypnotic language patterns.
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