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Post by arisha on Mar 8, 2013 4:00:13 GMT -5
I have a question to you, Enigma: What is the difference between Life and THIS? If Life is a dream, but there exists only THIS, but "it's all imagined", - all those statements are yours, - then is THIS a part of our Life ? If it is, then why is not THIS imagined as well? If THIS is not a part of our Life, then where is this THIS ? I mean what is this THIS? And how to know about it if it's not a part of our Life? I don't talk about THIS. Ask somebody who talks about it. So, it's Enigma which is THIS! Yes or no? Cool. He is not a part of our life, but he is just in our imagination. |
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Post by Beingist on Mar 8, 2013 8:15:55 GMT -5
Actually, you're all just in your imagination.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2013 8:26:20 GMT -5
ZD is the This guy ... please direct all This related questions to zendancer ;D
E is the Notice guy, as in notice what in the blazes is really going on
as in .. notice how ludicrous this imaginary witch hunt that you and Tzu persist on hanging onto is
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Post by laughter on Mar 8, 2013 8:35:16 GMT -5
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 8, 2013 9:01:04 GMT -5
Greetings.. ZD is the This guy ... please direct all This related questions to zendancer ;D E is the Notice guy, as in notice what in the blazes is really going on as in .. notice how ludicrous this imaginary witch hunt that you and Tzu persist on hanging onto is No "witch hunt", that's the fall-back position when there is no capacity for having open, honest, and respectful discussions about the beliefs surrounding non-duality and oneness.. Be well.. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2013 10:47:38 GMT -5
Greetings.. ZD is the This guy ... please direct all This related questions to zendancer ;D E is the Notice guy, as in notice what in the blazes is really going on as in .. notice how ludicrous this imaginary witch hunt that you and Tzu persist on hanging onto is No "witch hunt", that's the fall-back position when there is no capacity for having open, honest, and respectful discussions about the beliefs surrounding non-duality and oneness.. Be well.. do you know the difference between pointers and beliefs? |
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 8, 2013 10:56:54 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. No "witch hunt", that's the fall-back position when there is no capacity for having open, honest, and respectful discussions about the beliefs surrounding non-duality and oneness.. Be well.. do you know the difference between pointers and beliefs? Nope.. people 'believe' that calling it a 'pointer' absolves them of the belief they are pointing to.. there are occasions where pointers are used skillfully, accounts of real situations that pull the observers' attention toward the 'point', allowing the observer to 'get it' themselves without prejudicing the 'getting of it'.. trusting that the inherent 'truth' of the point is self-evident, needing no coaxing to reveal its 'isness'.. Be well.. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2013 11:15:14 GMT -5
He is not a part of our life, but he is just in our imagination. arisha, if you are sincere about this, which I doubt, it might help you. |
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Post by OMG on Mar 8, 2013 11:21:23 GMT -5
Greetings.. No "witch hunt", that's the fall-back position when there is no capacity for having open, honest, and respectful discussions about the beliefs surrounding non-duality and oneness.. Be well.. do you know the difference between pointers and beliefs? Very good farmer, do you know the difference between "witch hunt" and "inquisition"? |
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Post by desertrat on Mar 8, 2013 11:24:56 GMT -5
Maby we are all computer programs running on a matrix like computer . I am convinced that I am a real person . Arisha , read some of the posts on this forum meditationtime.grou.ps/ and dont worry about Enigma . desert rat |
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Post by enigma on Mar 8, 2013 11:26:12 GMT -5
Greetings.. do you know the difference between pointers and beliefs? Nope.. people 'believe' that calling it a 'pointer' absolves them of the belief they are pointing to.. there are occasions where pointers are used skillfully, accounts of real situations that pull the observers' attention toward the 'point', allowing the observer to 'get it' themselves without prejudicing the 'getting of it'.. trusting that the inherent 'truth' of the point is self-evident, needing no coaxing to reveal its 'isness'.. Be well.. The point may be that nonduality is not a belief system but rather a set of pointers offered by way of invitation to look and see for yourself. Belief is neither encouraged nor useful as it's a matter of realization and the concepts themselves, structured as beliefs or manipulated as evidence pro or con, are the mental distraction that nonduality tries to point away from. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2013 11:50:32 GMT -5
do you know the difference between pointers and beliefs? Very good farmer, do you know the difference between "witch hunt" and "inquisition"? Witch-Hunt - An investigation carried out ostensibly to uncover subversive activities but actually used to harass and undermine those with differing views.Inquisition - a harsh, difficult, or prolonged questioning. Many of us know than language is challenging here; that words can be ambiguous or inadequate, and that pointers or statements can be misconstrued as being beliefs or such. But it appears that behind every problem ... there is someone thinking too much, and then believing their conclusions. |
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Post by OMG on Mar 8, 2013 11:51:57 GMT -5
Greetings.. Nope.. people 'believe' that calling it a 'pointer' absolves them of the belief they are pointing to.. there are occasions where pointers are used skillfully, accounts of real situations that pull the observers' attention toward the 'point', allowing the observer to 'get it' themselves without prejudicing the 'getting of it'.. trusting that the inherent 'truth' of the point is self-evident, needing no coaxing to reveal its 'isness'.. Be well.. The point may be that nonduality is not a belief system but rather a set of pointers offered by way of invitation to look and see for yourself. Belief is neither encouraged nor useful as it's a matter of realization and the concepts themselves, structured as beliefs or manipulated as evidence pro or con, are the mental distraction that nonduality tries to point away from. Beliefs are those pointers when used as expedient. It is when they are postured as exclusive, or employed as attachment that they become problematic. But that is a personal subjective problem in spiritual sadhana - in the objective public sphere it can only be theoretical and speculative. So... Much of the argument here revolves around the adamant rationalization of "my belief is a pointer" (correct 'form') - "your belief is a conceptual trap" (incorrect 'form'). It's simply a blind conceit of ego based entirely on personal preference and reasoned to death as being existentially, universally exclusively superior...absurd!! And why 90% of 'discussion' here - no matter what the ostensible "topic" about what amounts to variants of beliefs and expedients presented differently by different people - is degenerated, and constantly re-generated as personality conflict, which is simply in essence, a disallowance of others' beliefs. |
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Post by OMG on Mar 8, 2013 11:54:25 GMT -5
Very good farmer, do you know the difference between "witch hunt" and "inquisition"? Witch-Hunt - An investigation carried out ostensibly to uncover subversive activities but actually used to harass and undermine those with differing views.Inquisition - a harsh, difficult, or prolonged questioning. Many of us know than language is challenging here; that words can be ambiguous or inadequate, and that pointers or statements can be misconstrued as being beliefs or such. But it appears that behind every problem ... there is someone thinking too much, and then believing their conclusions. I see. So I guess it is possible then, for an inquisition to become a witch hunt, you know, when..."there is someone thinking too much, and then believing their conclusions" ?? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2013 12:07:43 GMT -5
Witch-Hunt - An investigation carried out ostensibly to uncover subversive activities but actually used to harass and undermine those with differing views.Inquisition - a harsh, difficult, or prolonged questioning. Many of us know than language is challenging here; that words can be ambiguous or inadequate, and that pointers or statements can be misconstrued as being beliefs or such. But it appears that behind every problem ... there is someone thinking too much, and then believing their conclusions. I see. So I guess it is possible then, for an inquisition to become a witch hunt, you know, when..."there is someone thinking too much, and then believing their conclusions" ?? Inquisition or witch hunt, subtle differences I guess, but essentially the same thing. What's your point? Should we put E on the rack, or dip him in the river to see if he floats?  |
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