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Post by enigma on Jan 9, 2013 12:05:00 GMT -5
That's easy. You just upload another unicorn picture to a image hosting site, name the picture "Germidgipilion" and then you do your google search again and then you've got your 'proof' that it is not different from a unicorn and that Beingist is vewy vewy ignorant... Ok, I did that. Also, the word appears on these pages too. Let's see how long it will take for the search engines to pick it up! ;D In a week, the whole world will know what a Germidgipilion is. ;D
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 9, 2013 12:42:28 GMT -5
Greetings.. Yeah, seems to me this forum here is a 'gone bad version' of Rose's idea. Seems that way to me too, though I realize that focus is mostly supported by us and shared by a few others who aren't nearly so vocal. I mentioned once before that I was involved for a number of years with a forum that openly engaged in the process that it seems Rose found so significant. Different than here, perhaps, in that every member understood that significance and supported each other through that process. In the context of that work, there was a great deal of success, no doubt because they considered each other family, and there was a great deal of love and trust even in the heat of ego battle. It seemed like everyone knew when to be silent, when to be blunt, and when to be comforting. Strangers would show up on our doorstep, not ready for battle, but ready to learn how to surrender and wondering if anyone inside could help with that. That's sincerity. It was really quite remarkable. It was a rare experience, though the energy required for such work can be enormous, and after a few years no one could sustain it, including me. I don't wish for a return of those days, but I still agree with Rose' assertion that it is one of the cornerstones of spiritual work. Like it or not, we really are in this together. That's how it is. LOL.. yeah, that's it.. you assume you have 'the' answer, then try to craft a forum to 'your' specifications, and wish for a moderator to enforce your agenda.. so, where's the honest and open exploration of 'spiritual work'? it sounds much more like a dictatorship, a singular focus enforced by an 'agenda friendly' moderator.. You wish for confrontation that is enforced to your advantage, that's not 'spiritual work', it's a rigged system that entices people with 'spiritual' bait, then mugs them with a singular confrontational agenda.. there's no openness, honesty or equality.. at least 'Ruthless Truth' was honest about the 'Ruthless' part.. Be well..
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Post by Beingist on Jan 9, 2013 13:33:38 GMT -5
Greetings.. Seems that way to me too, though I realize that focus is mostly supported by us and shared by a few others who aren't nearly so vocal. I mentioned once before that I was involved for a number of years with a forum that openly engaged in the process that it seems Rose found so significant. Different than here, perhaps, in that every member understood that significance and supported each other through that process. In the context of that work, there was a great deal of success, no doubt because they considered each other family, and there was a great deal of love and trust even in the heat of ego battle. It seemed like everyone knew when to be silent, when to be blunt, and when to be comforting. Strangers would show up on our doorstep, not ready for battle, but ready to learn how to surrender and wondering if anyone inside could help with that. That's sincerity. It was really quite remarkable. It was a rare experience, though the energy required for such work can be enormous, and after a few years no one could sustain it, including me. I don't wish for a return of those days, but I still agree with Rose' assertion that it is one of the cornerstones of spiritual work. Like it or not, we really are in this together. That's how it is. LOL.. yeah, that's it.. you assume you have 'the' answer, then try to craft a forum to 'your' specifications, and wish for a moderator to enforce your agenda.. so, where's the honest and open exploration of 'spiritual work'? it sounds much more like a dictatorship, a singular focus enforced by an 'agenda friendly' moderator.. You wish for confrontation that is enforced to your advantage, that's not 'spiritual work', it's a rigged system that entices people with 'spiritual' bait, then mugs them with a singular confrontational agenda.. there's no openness, honesty or equality.. at least 'Ruthless Truth' was honest about the 'Ruthless' part.. Be well.. I dunno you very well, tzu, but after knowing and reading E for a couple of years, now, I think you're style is very much more confrontational, so far as I can see.
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Post by topology on Jan 9, 2013 14:11:55 GMT -5
Greetings.. LOL.. yeah, that's it.. you assume you have 'the' answer, then try to craft a forum to 'your' specifications, and wish for a moderator to enforce your agenda.. so, where's the honest and open exploration of 'spiritual work'? it sounds much more like a dictatorship, a singular focus enforced by an 'agenda friendly' moderator.. You wish for confrontation that is enforced to your advantage, that's not 'spiritual work', it's a rigged system that entices people with 'spiritual' bait, then mugs them with a singular confrontational agenda.. there's no openness, honesty or equality.. at least 'Ruthless Truth' was honest about the 'Ruthless' part.. Be well.. I dunno you very well, tzu, but after knowing and reading E for a couple of years, now, I think you're style is very much more confrontational, so far as I can see. Agreed. The skunk is not bothered by its own stank, nor the muskrat by its own excretions. When we live with ourselves perpetually, our own behavior becomes the imperceptible baseline against which we view others. Tzu accuses others of aggressive tendencies but is blind to his own.
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Post by enigma on Jan 9, 2013 14:13:28 GMT -5
Greetings.. Seems that way to me too, though I realize that focus is mostly supported by us and shared by a few others who aren't nearly so vocal. I mentioned once before that I was involved for a number of years with a forum that openly engaged in the process that it seems Rose found so significant. Different than here, perhaps, in that every member understood that significance and supported each other through that process. In the context of that work, there was a great deal of success, no doubt because they considered each other family, and there was a great deal of love and trust even in the heat of ego battle. It seemed like everyone knew when to be silent, when to be blunt, and when to be comforting. Strangers would show up on our doorstep, not ready for battle, but ready to learn how to surrender and wondering if anyone inside could help with that. That's sincerity. It was really quite remarkable. It was a rare experience, though the energy required for such work can be enormous, and after a few years no one could sustain it, including me. I don't wish for a return of those days, but I still agree with Rose' assertion that it is one of the cornerstones of spiritual work. Like it or not, we really are in this together. That's how it is. LOL.. yeah, that's it.. you assume you have 'the' answer, then try to craft a forum to 'your' specifications, and wish for a moderator to enforce your agenda.. so, where's the honest and open exploration of 'spiritual work'? it sounds much more like a dictatorship, a singular focus enforced by an 'agenda friendly' moderator.. You wish for confrontation that is enforced to your advantage, that's not 'spiritual work', it's a rigged system that entices people with 'spiritual' bait, then mugs them with a singular confrontational agenda.. there's no openness, honesty or equality.. at least 'Ruthless Truth' was honest about the 'Ruthless' part.. Be well.. I see the need for the "confrontation" Rose was involved with, but I don't have any answers, and especially for giraffe spotters like yourself. I think the biggest problem is in the motivation for spotting them. Nobody can change the motivation to see the worst in everybody so that you can feel better about yourself.
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 9, 2013 14:41:58 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. LOL.. yeah, that's it.. you assume you have 'the' answer, then try to craft a forum to 'your' specifications, and wish for a moderator to enforce your agenda.. so, where's the honest and open exploration of 'spiritual work'? it sounds much more like a dictatorship, a singular focus enforced by an 'agenda friendly' moderator.. You wish for confrontation that is enforced to your advantage, that's not 'spiritual work', it's a rigged system that entices people with 'spiritual' bait, then mugs them with a singular confrontational agenda.. there's no openness, honesty or equality.. at least 'Ruthless Truth' was honest about the 'Ruthless' part.. Be well.. I see the need for the "confrontation" Rose was involved with, but I don't have any answers, and especially for giraffe spotters like yourself. I think the biggest problem is in the motivation for spotting them. Nobody can change the motivation to see the worst in everybody so that you can feel better about yourself. See, that's the thing.. i point out where you create the 'Giraffes' , then you use the 'spotting' of said Giraffes as your defense, by implying a 'motive' that doesn't exist.. great spiritual scam, you've got there, though.. Be well..
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 9, 2013 14:44:51 GMT -5
Greetings.. I dunno you very well, tzu, but after knowing and reading E for a couple of years, now, I think you're style is very much more confrontational, so far as I can see. Agreed. The skunk is not bothered by its own stank, nor the muskrat by its own excretions. When we live with ourselves perpetually, our own behavior becomes the imperceptible baseline against which we view others. Tzu accuses others of aggressive tendencies but is blind to his own. Really, Topo, just ask rather than speculate.. i am very clear about my aggressiveness, the motives, and the intentions.. and, i'm clear enough to admit it, too.. how about you? Be well..
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Post by enigma on Jan 9, 2013 15:17:16 GMT -5
Greetings.. I see the need for the "confrontation" Rose was involved with, but I don't have any answers, and especially for giraffe spotters like yourself. I think the biggest problem is in the motivation for spotting them. Nobody can change the motivation to see the worst in everybody so that you can feel better about yourself. See, that's the thing.. i point out where you create the 'Giraffes' , then you use the 'spotting' of said Giraffes as your defense, by implying a 'motive' that doesn't exist.. great spiritual scam, you've got there, though.. Be well.. If you were seeing as clearly as you think you are, that would be a valid point. As it is....not so much really.
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Post by enigma on Jan 9, 2013 15:20:51 GMT -5
Greetings.. Agreed. The skunk is not bothered by its own stank, nor the muskrat by its own excretions. When we live with ourselves perpetually, our own behavior becomes the imperceptible baseline against which we view others. Tzu accuses others of aggressive tendencies but is blind to his own. Really, Topo, just ask rather than speculate.. i am very clear about my aggressiveness, the motives, and the intentions.. and, i'm clear enough to admit it, too.. how about you? Be well.. He's saying that you're NOT clear about it, so whether or not he's correct about that, why would he ask you for clarification?
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Post by silver on Jan 9, 2013 15:32:49 GMT -5
Greetings.. Really, Topo, just ask rather than speculate.. i am very clear about my aggressiveness, the motives, and the intentions.. and, i'm clear enough to admit it, too.. how about you? Be well.. He's saying that you're NOT clear about it, so whether or not he's correct about that, why would he ask you for clarification? It's still all judgment calls.....where there's margins for error of varying degrees.
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Post by silver on Jan 9, 2013 15:34:23 GMT -5
I dunno you very well, tzu, but after knowing and reading E for a couple of years, now, I think you're style is very much more confrontational, so far as I can see. Agreed. The skunk is not bothered by its own stank, nor the muskrat by its own excretions. When we live with ourselves perpetually, our own behavior becomes the imperceptible baseline against which we view others. Tzu accuses others of aggressive tendencies but is blind to his own. Preach, baby, preach, Father Stinky ~*
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Post by enigma on Jan 9, 2013 15:34:57 GMT -5
He's saying that you're NOT clear about it, so whether or not he's correct about that, why would he ask you for clarification? It's still all judgment calls.....where there's margins for error of varying degrees. There's no margin for error. It's simple logic. Top assumes Tzu is not clear, therefore it would be illogical for him to ask Tzu to clarify his perception.
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Post by silver on Jan 9, 2013 15:38:17 GMT -5
It's still all judgment calls.....where there's margins for error of varying degrees. There's no margin for error. It's simple logic. To p assumes Tzu is not clear, therefore it would be illogical for him to ask Tzu to clarify his perception. Buuut when it comes to the 'human equation' when the emotions are involved, all bets are off for 'simple logic'. So, all Top can do then, is fling poo! ;D
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 9, 2013 15:40:04 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. See, that's the thing.. i point out where you create the 'Giraffes' , then you use the 'spotting' of said Giraffes as your defense, by implying a 'motive' that doesn't exist.. great spiritual scam, you've got there, though.. Be well.. If you were seeing as clearly as you think you are, that would be a valid point. As it is....not so much really.And, if you actually believed your own scam.. we wouldn't be having this conversation.. you have no cause for your judgement other than 'your' desire to advance your agenda.. i keep trying to clean the windows around here, and you keep throwing mud (beliefs) on them.. Be well..
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 9, 2013 15:45:05 GMT -5
It's still all judgment calls.....where there's margins for error of varying degrees. There's no margin for error. It's simple logic. Top assumes Tzu is not clear, therefore it would be illogical for him to ask Tzu to clarify his perception. You have chosen poorly.. Topo, like you, can ask questions to bait someone into a discussion structured to his advantage.. Have you ever asked a question that you already thought you knew the answer to? Be well..
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