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Post by tzujanli on Mar 16, 2013 14:14:07 GMT -5
Tzu likes it respectful, direct, honest and - most importantly - open. To be sure that we get that message, he mentioned it a few more times, specifically here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and hereWell, that's a long list, a lot of repetition. It's almost spamming. For what, actually? So that we - or more specifically, Enigma - will get the message? The main message seems to be that Enigma refuses to participate in open and honest discussions that Tzu appreciates so much and the subliminal message here seems to be that this kind of behavior is ... lets face it Tzu ... WRONG - at least that's how your message comes across. Or is your message that YOU are open and honest and respectful and the sub-message that ENIGMA is NOT open and honest and respectful is just a minor side effect? Tzu, you've already made your point a gazillion times. We now know what kind of discussions you want - at least in theory. And Enigma is obviously not going to change for you and is not going to put greetings and well wishes into his posts no matter how often you repeat your OHDM. So, why are you still trying to get into an open and honest discussion with Enigma? Is there a possibility that you just let Enigma be Enigma? Wouldn't it be easier to just ignore him? Or is that not an option? Just wondering... Concur. And btw .. what's the purpose of intentionally not capitalizing your i's? So what's your investment in the relationship i have with Top.. let's see, Laughter, now you, who else will voice their righteous indignation over matters not related to them.. Regarding " intentionally not capitalizing your i's".. 'intentional' is taking the time and effort to hold down the shift key while simultaneously pressing the 'i' key.. i'm just not that into myself.. Be well..
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Post by silence on Mar 16, 2013 14:39:02 GMT -5
Concur. And btw .. what's the purpose of intentionally not capitalizing your i's? So what's your investment in the relationship i have with Top.. let's see, Laughter, now you, who else will voice their righteous indignation over matters not related to them.. Regarding " intentionally not capitalizing your i's".. 'intentional' is taking the time and effort to hold down the shift key while simultaneously pressing the 'i' key.. i'm just not that into myself.. Be well.. Tzu accusing others of righteous indignation... I've seen it all today haha.
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 16, 2013 14:42:07 GMT -5
Greetings.. So what's your investment in the relationship i have with Top.. let's see, Laughter, now you, who else will voice their righteous indignation over matters not related to them.. Regarding " intentionally not capitalizing your i's".. 'intentional' is taking the time and effort to hold down the shift key while simultaneously pressing the 'i' key.. i'm just not that into myself.. Be well.. Tzu accusing others of righteous indignation... I've seen it all today haha. LOL.. you haven't seen anything.. you've imagined an opportunity to state your opinion.. Be well..
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Post by topology on Mar 16, 2013 15:02:29 GMT -5
Concur. And btw .. what's the purpose of intentionally not capitalizing your i's? So what's your investment in the relationship i have with Top.. let's see, Laughter, now you, who else will voice their righteous indignation over matters not related to them..Regarding " intentionally not capitalizing your i's".. 'intentional' is taking the time and effort to hold down the shift key while simultaneously pressing the 'i' key.. i'm just not that into myself.. Be well.. Hmmm, I seem to remember your entry into the forum was focused on the interaction between Arisha and what came to be labelled as "The Club". It had nothing to do with you, but you decided to get involved over a perceived injustice. Now you're irritated with people stepping into the interaction between you and me because they are perceiving an injustice.
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 16, 2013 15:06:43 GMT -5
Greetings.. So what's your investment in the relationship i have with Top.. let's see, Laughter, now you, who else will voice their righteous indignation over matters not related to them..Regarding " intentionally not capitalizing your i's".. 'intentional' is taking the time and effort to hold down the shift key while simultaneously pressing the 'i' key.. i'm just not that into myself.. Be well.. Hmmm, I seem to remember your entry into the forum was focused on the interaction between Arisha and what came to be labelled as "The Club". It had nothing to do with you, but you decided to get involved over a perceived injustice. Now you're irritated with people stepping into the interaction between you and me because they are perceiving an injustice. Fair enough.. you win.. We wouldn't want to do anything like examine motives, or 'club-members' going after fresh 'blood in the water', though.. that may be a bit too revealing.. Be well..
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Post by topology on Mar 16, 2013 15:13:21 GMT -5
Greetings.. Hmmm, I seem to remember your entry into the forum was focused on the interaction between Arisha and what came to be labelled as "The Club". It had nothing to do with you, but you decided to get involved over a perceived injustice. Now you're irritated with people stepping into the interaction between you and me because they are perceiving an injustice. (1) Fair enough.. (2) you win.. (3) We wouldn't want to do anything like examine motives, or 'club-members' going after fresh 'blood in the water', though.. (4) that may be a bit too revealing.. Be well.. (3) and (4) negate your stating (2). So farmer and laughter are in the club now? Seems more like the idea of a "club" is a convenient device to make your opponents seem more evil than they are.
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 16, 2013 15:18:31 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. (1) Fair enough.. (2) you win.. (3) We wouldn't want to do anything like examine motives, or 'club-members' going after fresh 'blood in the water', though.. (4) that may be a bit too revealing.. Be well.. (3) and (4) negate your stating (2). So farmer and laughter are in the club now? Seems more like the idea of a "club" is a convenient device to make your opponents seem more evil than they are. How badly do you want this, Top? i'm really trying to let this go, You Win.. Be well..
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Post by topology on Mar 16, 2013 15:31:41 GMT -5
Greetings.. (3) and (4) negate your stating (2). So farmer and laughter are in the club now? Seems more like the idea of a "club" is a convenient device to make your opponents seem more evil than they are. How badly do you want this, Top? i'm really trying to let this go, You Win.. Be well..
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Post by silver on Mar 16, 2013 15:43:28 GMT -5
Greetings.. (1) Fair enough.. (2) you win.. (3) We wouldn't want to do anything like examine motives, or 'club-members' going after fresh 'blood in the water', though.. (4) that may be a bit too revealing.. Be well.. (3) and (4) negate your stating (2). So farmer and laughter are in the club now? Seems more like the idea of a "club" is a convenient device to make your opponents seem more evil than they are.
Top, You don't seem adverse to using labels to further your own opinions and prejudices in this matter. Just sayin' Seems you're sensationalizing a select portion of the conversation - adding a little emotional color and flavor.
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Post by laughter on Mar 16, 2013 21:52:05 GMT -5
Greetings.. That's one interpretation of the conversation. Another would be that when push came to shove you felt like you were up against a wall and decided to fight dirty ... topo's "vacation" included what can be described as the break-up of his family, a family with young children --- all this in what has been a multi-year conversation between the two of you in which I sense a certain level of trust on his part that is far from complete. In the context of what you say to enigma I'd say your talk is lightyears and in the exact opposite direction as your walk. You're either concerned with the emotional integrity of the person you're corresponding with or you're not. Which is it Bob? I trust that if Top is secure enough to post his personal life on line he can understand the meanings he and i have shared over the years.. Top has been 'mirroring' for some time, now.. not engaging, so not really comprehending the nature of my message.. he, like you, find your intellectual self-image to be your defense, and are not often willing to be simple, direct, and open.. i see you are favoring simple, direct and open, now.. I hope you notice that Top has handled this in the manner it was intended.. why do you see fit to make such a case.. left to Top and i it may have been done.. Enigma and i, left to our own discussions, might eventually get somewhere.. but, everybody needs to be 'seen' and so sets-up illusions for their own benefit.. Be well.. (... what was that? .... there was some anticlarattachpectation of an actual answer to that??? .... wtf?? ...)
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 16, 2013 22:04:10 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. I trust that if Top is secure enough to post his personal life on line he can understand the meanings he and i have shared over the years.. Top has been 'mirroring' for some time, now.. not engaging, so not really comprehending the nature of my message.. he, like you, find your intellectual self-image to be your defense, and are not often willing to be simple, direct, and open.. i see you are favoring simple, direct and open, now.. I hope you notice that Top has handled this in the manner it was intended.. why do you see fit to make such a case.. left to Top and i it may have been done.. Enigma and i, left to our own discussions, might eventually get somewhere.. but, everybody needs to be 'seen' and so sets-up illusions for their own benefit.. Be well.. (... what was that? .... there was some anticlarattachpectation of an actual answer to that??? .... wtf?? ...)Do you have a point? nothing simple, clear, direct about your?? what is that you are 'can typing'?? If you want to be seen, i see you.. Be well..
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Post by laughter on Mar 16, 2013 22:43:50 GMT -5
Greetings.. (... what was that? .... there was some anticlarattachpectation of an actual answer to that??? .... wtf?? ...) Do you have a point? nothing simple, clear, direct about your?? what is that you are 'can typing'?? If you want to be seen, i see you.. Be well.. Would you be so kind as to return at lunchtime?
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Post by laughter on Apr 12, 2013 3:17:22 GMT -5
Tzu',
O.k. so I'm reviving this thread because I want to open a brief and targeted dialogue with you about you. Now I want to point out, that I initially acknowledged that the thread title was essentially an ad hominem attack but "You Are What You Seek" is already on page gazillion and I didn't want to start yet another Tzu-bashing venue ... so here I am.
Anywhoo topo' mentioned that he'd found you to be a bit combative over at SF, and what I noticed is that you took a little break from us and when you returned it is my studied assessment that the aggression level had toned down a bit and I've even seemed to imagine a few genuine points of discussion being raised by you -- in between being chased about for allegedly putting words in your mouth and supposedly contradicting myself about clubs that is.
So my question is this: do you feel that you participate here at least in part because you like a good fight?
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Post by tzujanli on Apr 12, 2013 8:53:55 GMT -5
Greetings.. Tzu', O.k. so I'm reviving this thread because I want to open a brief and targeted dialogue with you about you. Now I want to point out, that I initially acknowledged that the thread title was essentially an ad hominem attack but "You Are What You Seek" is already on page gazillion and I didn't want to start yet another Tzu-bashing venue ... so here I am. Anywhoo topo' mentioned that he'd found you to be a bit combative over at SF, and what I noticed is that you took a little break from us and when you returned it is my studied assessment that the aggression level had toned down a bit and I've even seemed to imagine a few genuine points of discussion being raised by you -- in between being chased about for allegedly putting words in your mouth and supposedly contradicting myself about clubs that is. So my question is this: do you feel that you participate here at least in part because you like a good fight? No.. i would prefer an honest open direct exploration of existence, but.. the resistance to that 'preference of mine' is often confrontational, so.. partially for the humor and partially for the actuality, i use the 'Golden Rule' for plausible denial, "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you".. that wisdom is self-evident, so i am eager to return confrontation as what others would have 'done unto them'.. Do i "like a good fight"? in this arena, i will match anyone's 'style' of sincere/fair exploration of existence, but.. demonstrate a lack of sincerity or fairness or honesty, and i will endeavor to neutralize that distraction from the exploration.. if it becomes a "good 'fair' fight", that's a valid form of exploration.. i am comfortable in any 'fight' situation, though i prefer a more civil process.. there is a quote i find that suits my understanding: "better to be a warrior in the garden, that a gardener in the war", and i prefer the garden.. Be well..
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Post by Peter on Apr 12, 2013 9:21:40 GMT -5
i use the 'Golden Rule' for plausible denial, "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you".. that wisdom is self-evident, so i am eager to return confrontation as what others would have 'done unto them'.. That is possibly the most twisted interpretation of The Golden Rule that I've ever heard. Total 180, on it's head, Orwellian double think. Do you write pamphlets for the Ministry of Love?
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