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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 12:19:32 GMT -5
The Story of the Weeping Camel. It's actually free on You Tube. And, she just recently posted that she never saw it. It's worth the watch. Only movie I ever saw, to which I could not ascribe a genre.
Even so it's one of the best docos i have ever seen.
I watched it a few years back at home and was entranced, awed, in tears. There was movement deep inside the M-G.
I find it to be a profound glimpse into many aspects of life that can so easily go unnoticed,
and it reveals many elements that modern western people aren't usually aware of.
But it depends on the observer as some may find it a tedious boring movie where nothing happens.
I was exhausted after watching because of how much was in it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 12:37:07 GMT -5
The Story of the Weeping Camel. It's actually free on You Tube. And, she just recently posted that she never saw it. It's worth the watch. Only movie I ever saw, to which I could not ascribe a genre.
Even so it's one of the best docos i have ever seen.
I watched it a few years back at home and was entranced, awed, in tears. There was movement deep inside the M-G.
I find it to be a profound glimpse into many aspects of life that can so easily go unnoticed,
and it reveals many elements that modern western people aren't usually aware of.
But it depends on the observer as some may find it a tedious boring movie where nothing happens.
I was exhausted after watching because of how much was in it.
I've seen it categorized as a 'folklore film.' Tree of the Wooden Clogs fits there, as does Fast Runner and probably a many others (Salt, Himalaya). Sort of realtime style and a window onto a different culture or time. |
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 22, 2013 21:00:31 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. If the first person you meet in the morning is looking for battle, they're likely a warrior, but.. if every person you meet is "looking for battle", the warrior is you..Speaking from experience there, Tzu? ;D The "expectation of a good discussion", is that the participants don't mock or ridicule the other's contributions.. there is no issue with directness, it is the mockery and ridicule that breaks down the discussion, and everyone knows that, so.. the choice to 'go there' is also a choice to create conflict.. the unwillingness to conclude the conflict initiated seems like insincerity relative to the motivation to initiate the conflict in the first place.. Be well.. Can you be more specific about the part in blue? What conflicts are you talking about having been initiated? Yes, i am speaking from experience.. what you do not understand is the experience i speak from.. Yes, i can be more specific about the "part in blue", but i choose not to at this time, and.. to your own point, i was commenting to Quinn's post.. do you ever wonder if an emoticon is sincere, or if it is the occasion for plausible deniability? Be well.. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 23, 2013 0:45:54 GMT -5
Greetings.. Same here. If anything has changed it's perhaps that we tend to collect the disgruntled, meaning that those with motivations that lean toward battle are kept here for the sake of the battle and never move on, which is why I don't try to stop anybody from detonating, and have even encouraged it at times. If the first person you meet in the morning is looking for battle, they're likely a warrior, but.. if every person you meet is "looking for battle", the warrior is you.. The "expectation of a good discussion", is that the participants don't mock or ridicule the other's contributions.. there is no issue with directness, it is the mockery and ridicule that breaks down the discussion, and everyone knows that, so.. the choice to 'go there' is also a choice to create conflict.. the unwillingness to conclude the conflict initiated seems like insincerity relative to the motivation to initiate the conflict in the first place.. Be well.. I admit to a certain amount of .....'humorous dismissal' in a given conversation when all avenues of communication have failed in a given conversation and the sense of stark raving insanity has taken over, and this is really because the whole scenario really is hilarious and not because I wish to mock anyone. I would not say I ridicule anyone. I simply talk about what I see, just as you do, but to you your words sound like wisdom and mine sound like ridicule. This sort of discrepancy in perception is usually what I try to point out. I understand that those terms are largely subjective, and that you use them as though they are well established facts on which to base your ongoing 'ridicule', but I just thought I'd mention they are not facts. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2013 3:53:27 GMT -5
Greetings.. If the first person you meet in the morning is looking for battle, they're likely a warrior, but.. if every person you meet is "looking for battle", the warrior is you.. The "expectation of a good discussion", is that the participants don't mock or ridicule the other's contributions.. there is no issue with directness, it is the mockery and ridicule that breaks down the discussion, and everyone knows that, so.. the choice to 'go there' is also a choice to create conflict.. the unwillingness to conclude the conflict initiated seems like insincerity relative to the motivation to initiate the conflict in the first place.. Be well.. I admit to a certain amount of .....'humorous dismissal' in a given conversation when all avenues of communication have failed in a given conversation and the sense of stark raving insanity has taken over, and this is really because the whole scenario really is hilarious and not because I wish to mock anyone. I would not say I ridicule anyone. I simply talk about what I see, just as you do, but to you your words sound like wisdom and mine sound like ridicule. This sort of discrepancy in perception is usually what I try to point out. I understand that those terms are largely subjective, and that you use them as though they are well established facts on which to base your ongoing 'ridicule', but I just thought I'd mention they are not facts. My experience is of 'humourous dismissal' from you when you have been shown that what you are offering has big old holes in it. You normally engage a wing man to assist you with the mocking rather than directly mock i.e. you talk 'about' rather than 'talk to'. This has the added benefit for you of getting someone on board. |
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 23, 2013 6:02:27 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. If the first person you meet in the morning is looking for battle, they're likely a warrior, but.. if every person you meet is "looking for battle", the warrior is you.. The "expectation of a good discussion", is that the participants don't mock or ridicule the other's contributions.. there is no issue with directness, it is the mockery and ridicule that breaks down the discussion, and everyone knows that, so.. the choice to 'go there' is also a choice to create conflict.. the unwillingness to conclude the conflict initiated seems like insincerity relative to the motivation to initiate the conflict in the first place.. Be well.. This is your perception of the situation, just as you point out what you believe is my perception.. my 'words do not sound like wisdom' to me, they sound like words.. words offered in hope of a sharing with others interested in a more complete awareness of their existence.. yes, the words i share represent experiences that i have found to be consistent with what 'is', and.. they are shared in the hopes of beneficial discussion that might engage other perspectives in a dialogue that reveals greater harmony with the flow of existence happening.. and yes, when i engage people that judge and mock dismissively because they feel they have the answer and those that don't agree are deserving of such rebuke, i respond 'in kind'.. you seem to interpret my directness as something different that my intention to avoid distracting rituals and beliefs, but it is nothing other than letting go of unnecessary thinking.. That being said, i am open and willing to begin a fresh and new conversation any time i am approached 'in kind'.. i am not here to teach or be taught, i am here to share and expand my awareness if such is revealed.. Be well.. |
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Post by Peter on Jan 23, 2013 7:52:12 GMT -5
Teachers! Teachers! Lord Save Us From Teachers!
I have yet to need saving from a teacher.
I choose by way of conscious clear minded reasoning who i would classify as a teacher or not.
Though i don't bother with the act of labeling another as such.
Especially since a "teacher" may say something i don't agree with. As a student, I would concur that I've never needed saving from a teacher. But as a moderator, Oy! I classify as a teacher anyone who acts like a teacher. I suppose applying a label is a little lazy, but it allows me to see interactions in a more abstract way - form hypotheses. I would say that teachers are at their teaching best when they say something you don't agree with. If they're saying something you already agree with, then what change is possible? |
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Post by laughter on Jan 23, 2013 8:04:29 GMT -5
If they're saying something you already agree with, then what change is possible? Dissolution of a doubt. <andrew>Sometimes people will say exactly the opposite of what they mean, especially when they're describing themselves .... so if someone expresses something like this ... let's call it a "self-deception", and there is agreement, it is disagreement of a sort.</andrew> |
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Post by Peter on Jan 23, 2013 8:16:29 GMT -5
Tzujanli, thank you for the considered response. I'm getting used to your style this past couple of weeks and perhaps because we're talking about specifics of how people get on with each other, I'm finding you less...preachy. i say this after many attempts here and at SF, enigma will not entertain reciprocity, an equal measure of respect.. I don't know that Enigma has ever requested anyone's respect. He doesn't like being name-called certainly, but I don't know about respect. Why do you feel you need his? And it does seem to be his, specifically, that you need? I am well into the consideration of abandoning this forum, as it is becoming clearer that there is a specific intention and a specific group that enjoys immunity for similar activities for which i am receiving unwanted and unwarranted attention.. Firstly: Not sure what "similar activities" refers to here. You're saying that you do a thing (what thing?) and get "unwanted attention" (from who?) and they do the same thing and don't get attention? Please fill in some blanks for me here, you're being a bit vague. Secondly: As far as I can see, from my review of your posts, you came in here loaded with Enigma baggage and you really didn't help your situation. If anything, you recreated it. Just 5 days in here and I was questioning your approach. if you're looking for fault, i see it as shared, you will see it as you will.. but, i see that i am presenting accounts of my understandings for discussion It's cool and it's not really "fault" as such. Enigma does most often appear to be the common denominator every time a teacher/teacher situation kicks off and I've discussed his approach with him before. Since the last time it came up I've been fine with his writing because I don't see the personal animosity in it the way I do with, say, Reefs posts. That said, I noticed something about his posts by going through yours and I'll share that next. What is this, automated Karma? Eye-for-an-Eye? Knee jerk reaction time? Don't "give what you get", do better!  |
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Post by Peter on Jan 23, 2013 8:20:16 GMT -5
What, because someone else says the same thing you do, you stop having doubts about it's veracity? Not serious shirley. |
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Post by Peter on Jan 23, 2013 8:24:46 GMT -5
Imagine Krishna, Jesus, Buddha, Ramana, Niz, Ramakrishna having 'welcomed challenge' and said regularly: "I've no idea about that relevant point. I've obviously missed something, please tell me"  Yeah Reefs, exactly. I can't imagine it. Teachers, they just have nothing left to learn and no interest in learning it. They'd stop being teachers if they did! So when one teacher tries to teach another teacher - what can come of it? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 8:26:49 GMT -5
I would say that teachers are at their teaching best when they say something you don't agree with. G'morning Pete Are you buttering me up with this post? ;D |
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Post by Peter on Jan 23, 2013 8:31:49 GMT -5
Are you saying you consider yourself to be someone who plays the Teacher role, Heterodox?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 8:33:55 GMT -5
Are you saying you consider yourself to be someone who plays the Teacher role, Heterodox? Noop. Just having a little fun with word play, is all. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2013 8:38:55 GMT -5
Imagine Krishna, Jesus, Buddha, Ramana, Niz, Ramakrishna having 'welcomed challenge' and said regularly: "I've no idea about that relevant point. I've obviously missed something, please tell me" Yeah Reefs, exactly. I can't imagine it. Teachers, they just have nothing left to learn and no interest in learning it. They'd stop being teachers if they did!So when one teacher tries to teach another teacher - what can come of it? You mean spiritual teachers or teachers of any kind? |
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