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Jan 10, 2013 19:40:48 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Jan 10, 2013 19:40:48 GMT -5
Greetings.. Tsk, tsk, kids.. 'anger' is the lens you are looking through, the judgement 'you' are making from your 'personal perspective'.. and, it is the sarcasm you use to try to incite the 'anger' you want to 'see'.. and, when it fails, you try harder.. starting a Giraffe stampede hoping they will trample your target into a 'greasy spot'.. Be well.. It's really much more simple than that. You're totally full of it. You're literally the walking example of everything you speak out against. The only authentic post I've seen from you yet is the one where you blew up on enigma a few weeks ago. Since then you've simply reverted back to your phony spiritual personality that can explain everything away while you grind your axe across the forum. Very clear.
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Jan 10, 2013 19:42:36 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Jan 10, 2013 19:42:36 GMT -5
What is wrong with other people having a different angle on things? Forums are for discussing stuff. Even if it involves pushing and prodding our sacred cows a bit or a lot. There's nothing wrong with it and nobody has said there is. It's just as you say, pushing and prodding sacred cows a bit.
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Jan 10, 2013 19:50:20 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Jan 10, 2013 19:50:20 GMT -5
Then we can notice that consciousness is also an appearance in awareness appearing AS consciousness. Then we can see that awareness is also an appearance appearing .............And maybe it gets, like, really really quiet, and we're not sure we really know anything at all beyond what is imagined. Yeah, turns out big ol' awareness is also one of them stories. There's just nothing to grab on to, or make sense of! Liberating. It's also cool when what always was there as a hunch gets confirmed. Zaklie. The story thorns are useful for removing other story thorns, but it really is necessary to throw away those thorns too. That's where all this speerichool stuff can get pretty scary and empty, but as you suggest, and as Ramana suggested in one of those quotes, that's where liberation from mind can actually happen.
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Jan 10, 2013 19:58:29 GMT -5
Post by silence on Jan 10, 2013 19:58:29 GMT -5
Greetings.. It's really much more simple than that. You're totally full of it. You're literally the walking example of everything you speak out against. The only authentic post I've seen from you yet is the one where you blew up on enigma a few weeks ago. Since then you've simply reverted back to your phony spiritual personality that can explain everything away while you grind your axe across the forum. How so? Because i ask people to suspend the thinking processes as see for themselves what 'is happening', to experience Life as it is? rather than taking them on a safari of Giraffes and greasy spots, asking them to 'think, imagine, and pretend' they don't exist, that nothing is real, and it's all a dream.. while the safari leaders are the antithesis of their second-hand beliefs.. Be well.. No, not really. Because you're condescending, aggressive and sanctimonious while trying to take down the condescending, aggressive and sanctimonious club you envision. This is really simple stuff Tzu.
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Jan 10, 2013 22:19:44 GMT -5
Post by tzujanli on Jan 10, 2013 22:19:44 GMT -5
Greetings.. the comparison made is that some people on this forum occasionally remind me of people on that forum.. in the same way that when you smell dog poo, it reminds one of other times you smelled dog poo.. i have no "axe to grind" with dog poo, either..
Be well.. Tzujanli, am I "seeing what I want to see" or did you just connect RT, "people on this forum" and dog poo all together in paragraph? Are you dropping the passive agressive and moving on to just plain agressive? I'd applaud your authenticity if so. The thing is, I checked out your Tai Chi site plus your blog and - there - you seem like a really nice guy (love the hair, by the way) and your postings are really considered, light...maybe a little bit "all about me"...actually, a lot of the photos are all about you too, but I have to say, you're quite photogenic. And yet - here - you're coming over as being really holier-than-thou , preaching and rubbing a number of people up the wrong way. Are you here to teach, or chat or what's the game plan? You don't seem happy with what happens here - are you trying to change it? Great, let's try this again.. i come to this new forum, 'new' to me, and make posts, i see aggressive behavior, Arisha, Sharon, Heterodox, etc.. being dealt with aggressively, so i speak-up, as that is not my nature (but is my response to that behavior when organized by group intention) , then.. in an all too familiar turn of events, a certain group of forum regulars turns on me, for challenging their aggressiveness, as their next target, and.. rather than discuss what i am presenting, the merits of the 'still mind' perspective, they search for ways to discredit a presentation that is not terribly dissimilar from their own views.. then, it gets ugly, as i give what i get, and in the spirit of Topo's 'i won't stop till you do', we end-up here.. While i find that expectations limit one's ability to experience fully, i have learned by experience that the 'certain group of forum regulars' will take exception with my understanding of the events i have described, so.. i expect the usual suspects to blame 'me', and somehow link this unfortunate situation to their agenda.. I could not be more sincere than to say i truly wish it were possible to have a discussion on the merits of our different understandings.. yes, i have been judgmental in this post, giving what i get, but.. i will equally 'stand down' and engage in normal discussion when presented with such.. and, i am still hopeful that there are those intentions in this forum.. I came here to experience through open honest dialogue, not realizing it was intended for a select audience, but trusting that the words " Late night neo-advaitic ramblings, questions and curiosities, or that thought that you just have to share, all such posts are welcome here." had real meaning.. By the way, Thanks for visiting my website.. it's much less about 'me' than you imply, it's about creating an atmosphere where learning Taiji is safe and the instructor's history is authentic.. Sincerely, Bob
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Jan 10, 2013 22:35:10 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Jan 10, 2013 22:35:10 GMT -5
Greetings.. Tzujanli, am I "seeing what I want to see" or did you just connect RT, "people on this forum" and dog poo all together in paragraph? Are you dropping the passive agressive and moving on to just plain agressive? I'd applaud your authenticity if so. The thing is, I checked out your Tai Chi site plus your blog and - there - you seem like a really nice guy (love the hair, by the way) and your postings are really considered, light...maybe a little bit "all about me"...actually, a lot of the photos are all about you too, but I have to say, you're quite photogenic. And yet - here - you're coming over as being really holier-than-thou , preaching and rubbing a number of people up the wrong way. Are you here to teach, or chat or what's the game plan? You don't seem happy with what happens here - are you trying to change it? Great, let's try this again.. i come to this new forum, 'new' to me, and make posts, i see aggressive behavior, Arisha, Sharon, Heterodox, etc.. being dealt with aggressively, so i speak-up, as that is not my nature (but is my response to that behavior when organized by group intention) If what you saw is aggressive behavior being dealt with aggressively, and responding aggressively to that aggression (giving what you get) is what you do, how does your behavior differ from the behavior you responded to? Aren't we all just responding to aggressive behavior by 'giving what we get'? Assuming that registers, do you see any possible way to end that self perpetuating cycle?
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Jan 10, 2013 22:52:14 GMT -5
Post by Reefs on Jan 10, 2013 22:52:14 GMT -5
Greetings.. Great, let's try this again.. i come to this new forum, 'new' to me, and make posts, i see aggressive behavior, Arisha, Sharon, Heterodox, etc.. being dealt with aggressively, so i speak-up, as that is not my nature (but is my response to that behavior when organized by group intention) If what you saw is aggressive behavior being dealt with aggressively, and responding aggressively to that aggression (giving what you get) is what you do, how does your behavior differ from the behavior you responded to? Aren't we all just responding to aggressive behavior by 'giving what we get'? Assuming that registers, do you see any possible way to end that self perpetuating cycle? Here are some possibilities: 1) Installing Reefs as mod (not likely) 2) Debugging the forum (not likely) 3) Staying away from the forum (not likely) 4) Acquiescing to the perpetual drama (very likely)
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Jan 10, 2013 23:12:49 GMT -5
Post by Reefs on Jan 10, 2013 23:12:49 GMT -5
Greetings.. Tzujanli, am I "seeing what I want to see" or did you just connect RT, "people on this forum" and dog poo all together in paragraph? Are you dropping the passive agressive and moving on to just plain agressive? I'd applaud your authenticity if so. The thing is, I checked out your Tai Chi site plus your blog and - there - you seem like a really nice guy (love the hair, by the way) and your postings are really considered, light...maybe a little bit "all about me"...actually, a lot of the photos are all about you too, but I have to say, you're quite photogenic. And yet - here - you're coming over as being really holier-than-thou , preaching and rubbing a number of people up the wrong way. Are you here to teach, or chat or what's the game plan? You don't seem happy with what happens here - are you trying to change it? Great, let's try this again.. i come to this new forum, 'new' to me, and make posts, i see aggressive behavior, Arisha, Sharon, Heterodox, etc.. being dealt with aggressively, so i speak-up, as that is not my nature (but is my response to that behavior when organized by group intention) , then.. in an all too familiar turn of events, a certain group of forum regulars turns on me, for challenging their aggressiveness, as their next target, and.. rather than discuss what i am presenting, the merits of the 'still mind' perspective, they search for ways to discredit a presentation that is not terribly dissimilar from their own views.. then, it gets ugly, as i give what i get, and in the spirit of Topo's 'i won't stop till you do', we end-up here.. While i find that expectations limit one's ability to experience fully, i have learned by experience that the 'certain group of forum regulars' will take exception with my understanding of the events i have described, so.. i expect the usual suspects to blame 'me', and somehow link this unfortunate situation to their agenda.. I could not be more sincere than to say i truly wish it were possible to have a discussion on the merits of our different understandings.. yes, i have been judgmental in this post, giving what i get, but.. i will equally 'stand down' and engage in normal discussion when presented with such.. and, i am still hopeful that there are those intentions in this forum.. I came here to experience through open honest dialogue, not realizing it was intended for a select audience, but trusting that the words " Late night neo-advaitic ramblings, questions and curiosities, or that thought that you just have to share, all such posts are welcome here." had real meaning.. By the way, Thanks for visiting my website.. it's much less about 'me' than you imply, it's about creating an atmosphere where learning Taiji is safe and the instructor's history is authentic.. Sincerely, Bob Yeah, that's the question: What's the actual intention of the forum? We know the words that are written, but those just seem empty words without any energy behind them when you look at what's really happening here. The fuss about your appearance here is just an indicator of a deeper issue below the surface of day-to-day forum activity. In the A-H teachings they say: "If you have an issue and don't do anything about it, don't worry, it will get bigger. Until eventually it will be so big that you can't ignore it anymore." ;D
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Jan 11, 2013 5:10:11 GMT -5
Post by tzujanli on Jan 11, 2013 5:10:11 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Great, let's try this again.. i come to this new forum, 'new' to me, and make posts, i see aggressive behavior, Arisha, Sharon, Heterodox, etc.. being dealt with aggressively, so i speak-up, as that is not my nature (but is my response to that behavior when organized by group intention) If what you saw is aggressive behavior being dealt with aggressively, and responding aggressively to that aggression (giving what you get) is what you do, how does your behavior differ from the behavior you responded to? Aren't we all just responding to aggressive behavior by 'giving what we get'? Assuming that registers, do you see any possible way to end that self perpetuating cycle? That registers.. my behavior doesn't differ, it reflects what i see/experience in the forum.. i had hoped it might illuminate what i was seeing as another dysfunctional forum, where there is no actual intent to explore limitless potential, except as defined by the neo-advaitic perceptions.. I see several possible 'ways'.. Be well..
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Jan 11, 2013 6:45:24 GMT -5
Post by laughter on Jan 11, 2013 6:45:24 GMT -5
Yeah, that's the question: What's the actual intention of the forum? where there is no actual intent to explore limitless potential <obvious> Reefs, intention implies choice, which, in turn, implicates the concept of free-will. I'm going to repeat here to you what I said to tzu' in a different thread: The concept of no-free-will, otherwise stated as destiny or predetermination, is simply a conceptual structure that arises in opposition to the concept of free-will. It's just a symptom of thought, nothing more, nothing less. Intention is a symptom of thought, nothing more, nothing less. Some people hear one side of this, that there is no free will, and it gives them a sense of ease, it alleviates the guilt of what they see as bad choices, or things that they didn't do that they should have, and it relieves them of the responsibility of making choices. Pity them. Other people hear the other side of it and come to the conclusion that they're locked into some script. They react with horror. Perhaps if they don't just dismiss this but take a good look at what's going on then they're in a better spot than their counterparts. </obvious> Words are typed or spoken. Meaning gets projected onto them by the listener. Or it doesn't. Now for this reason alone, raising the question of the "intent of the forum" is as meaningless on it's face as any other question. For the obvious reasons stated, it's a little extra-meaningless. Especially given the stated intent of the forum.
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Jan 11, 2013 7:40:42 GMT -5
Post by Peter on Jan 11, 2013 7:40:42 GMT -5
1) Installing Reefs as mod (not likely)
Why do you see that as unlikely, Reefs?
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Jan 11, 2013 9:24:55 GMT -5
Post by topology on Jan 11, 2013 9:24:55 GMT -5
Yeah, that's the question: What's the actual intention of the forum? where there is no actual intent to explore limitless potential <obvious> Reefs, intention implies choice, which, in turn, implicates the concept of free-will. I'm going to repeat here to you what I said to tzu' in a different thread: The concept of no-free-will, otherwise stated as destiny or predetermination, is simply a conceptual structure that arises in opposition to the concept of free-will. It's just a symptom of thought, nothing more, nothing less. Intention is a symptom of thought, nothing more, nothing less. Some people hear one side of this, that there is no free will, and it gives them a sense of ease, it alleviates the guilt of what they see as bad choices, or things that they didn't do that they should have, and it relieves them of the responsibility of making choices. Pity them. Other people hear the other side of it and come to the conclusion that they're locked into some script. They react with horror. Perhaps if they don't just dismiss this but take a good look at what's going on then they're in a better spot than their counterparts. </obvious> Words are typed or spoken. Meaning gets projected onto them by the listener. Or it doesn't. Now for this reason alone, raising the question of the "intent of the forum" is as meaningless on it's face as any other question. For the obvious reasons stated, it's a little extra-meaningless. Especially given the stated intent of the forum. Laughter, I disagree with you about intent implying that there is a choice. First an aside on the difference between intenSion and IntenTion. The former is the sense and meaning of a word, the idea or qualities within an idea. The latter is the desire or operation of taking that idea and manifesting it in the world. When someone has an intention, they are engaged in a process of changing the state or quality of the world to match the state or quality they envision. There need not be choice involved. My stomache growls, the idea of a ham sandwhich comes to mind and the body gets up to go make a ham sandwhich. The loudest desire triumphs, no chooser.
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Jan 11, 2013 9:30:35 GMT -5
Post by Reefs on Jan 11, 2013 9:30:35 GMT -5
1) Installing Reefs as mod (not likely)
Why do you see that as unlikely, Reefs? Reefs will never agree. I'll give a detailed answer in the other thread (Roshi Georgy C. thread)
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Jan 11, 2013 9:42:37 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2013 9:42:37 GMT -5
1) Installing Reefs as mod (not likely) 2) Debugging the forum (not likely) 3) Staying away from the forum (not likely) 4) Acquiescing to the perpetual drama (very likely) Should (1) be enacted, I suspect many old and potentially new members would be heading for door # (3)
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Jan 11, 2013 9:58:55 GMT -5
Post by Reefs on Jan 11, 2013 9:58:55 GMT -5
1) Installing Reefs as mod (not likely) 2) Debugging the forum (not likely) 3) Staying away from the forum (not likely) 4) Acquiescing to the perpetual drama (very likely) Should (1) be enacted, I suspect many old and potentially new members would be heading for door # (3) That list was a joke, farmer. Kidding. There's no culling going to happen. You are safe.
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