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Post by laughter on Mar 6, 2013 14:34:59 GMT -5
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Post by Peter on Mar 6, 2013 14:38:49 GMT -5
*Not sophisticated enough to follow what's going on* Well part of what was going on there, was a reference to a song by the KLF who were previously known as The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu. A very British band, very much of their time. They burned a million pounds in cash. |
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Post by laughter on Mar 6, 2013 14:50:24 GMT -5
They burned a million pounds in cash. |
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Post by silence on Mar 6, 2013 17:00:00 GMT -5
You don't provide opportunities to those who do not wish to hear what you have to say or are not mature enough to deal with it. I never realized people needed to be provided opportunities to not hear something. I'd say the whole point is quite pointedly that people just generally hear whatever they want and stop listening whenever it suits them. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 6, 2013 17:42:32 GMT -5
You don't provide opportunities to those who do not wish to hear what you have to say or are not mature enough to deal with it. I never realized people needed to be provided opportunities to not hear something. I'd say the whole point is quite pointedly that people just generally hear whatever they want and stop listening whenever it suits them. Eggzackly so, and this is as fundamental and 'real life' as the process of illusion formation gets. Nobody can complain that this is esoteric spirituality that doesn't apply to real life. The process as you describe it is the source of conflict on this forum, and the source of suffering that folks pretend they're interested in ending. Could be it's a little bit TOO close to home and that wasn't really in the whole seeking plan. |
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Post by Beingist on Mar 6, 2013 20:19:46 GMT -5
I never realized people needed to be provided opportunities to not hear something. I'd say the whole point is quite pointedly that people just generally hear whatever they want and stop listening whenever it suits them. Eggzackly so, and this is as fundamental and 'real life' as the process of illusion formation gets. Nobody can complain that this is esoteric spirituality that doesn't apply to real life. The process as you describe it is the source of conflict on this forum, and the source of suffering that folks pretend they're interested in ending. Could be it's a little bit TOO close to home and that wasn't really in the whole seeking plan. But, what if they're not seeking an end to suffering? Do you really see everyone who posts here as those with such an interest? What about those who don't see themselves as suffering? |
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Post by enigma on Mar 6, 2013 21:18:25 GMT -5
Eggzackly so, and this is as fundamental and 'real life' as the process of illusion formation gets. Nobody can complain that this is esoteric spirituality that doesn't apply to real life. The process as you describe it is the source of conflict on this forum, and the source of suffering that folks pretend they're interested in ending. Could be it's a little bit TOO close to home and that wasn't really in the whole seeking plan. But, what if they're not seeking an end to suffering? Do you really see everyone who posts here as those with such an interest? What about those who don't see themselves as suffering? But isn't spirituality, regardless of the stripe, all about a better life? I'm not sure what else it would be for. Not everybody will claim the end of suffering as such as the goal, but surely a betterer life in some way is part of everybody's speerichool agenda? |
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 6, 2013 22:03:51 GMT -5
Greetings.. I never realized people needed to be provided opportunities to not hear something. I'd say the whole point is quite pointedly that people just generally hear whatever they want and stop listening whenever it suits them. Given your stated belief that it's all imagined, that it's all a dream.. then you deal in illusions, and find no quarter for 'real life'.. it is the E-Team's bully provocations that are the main sources of conflict on this forum.. the preaching of Advaitic beliefs, the bruised egos when people don't buy the sermons, and the predictably subsequent provocations by the E-Team, and finally.. when challenged to an open, honest, and respectful discussion on the merits of the beliefs and the processes chosen to 'spread the word', evasion, excuses, and more provocation.. all in the illusion that the 'E-Team' is here to save you from yourself.. A common denominator for serious problems in a forum, is when a select group of members is allowed to provoke and intimidate other members in a organized fashion.. crying foul when other members retaliate rather than report.. i had no idea Phil, alias Phroggy or enigma, was a member of this forum prior to joining.. but, within a day i was able to identify the same method of operation as at SF.. preach, and intimidate those that don't agree.. Here's the deal.. if you, or if anyone is the 'real-deal', or has the answer.. you need only to state it clearly, simply, and in terms anyone can understand.. no intimidation, or provocation is needed, those types of choices reveal the chooser's confrontational nature, regardless of the ways the chooser tries to justify their nature, even going so far as to equate their bully tactics with 'tough love'.. it's a ruse, an illusion.. Be still and quiet, suspend the thinking processes, be fully present for what is actually happening.. if someone is telling you what is happening or telling you what you should see, go back to looking.. Be well.. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 6, 2013 22:54:56 GMT -5
Greetings.. Eggzackly so, and this is as fundamental and 'real life' as the process of illusion formation gets. Nobody can complain that this is esoteric spirituality that doesn't apply to real life. The process as you describe it is the source of conflict on this forum, and the source of suffering that folks pretend they're interested in ending. Could be it's a little bit TOO close to home and that wasn't really in the whole seeking plan. Given your stated belief that it's all imagined, that it's all a dream.. then you deal in illusions, and find no quarter for 'real life'.. it is the E-Team's bully provocations that are the main sources of conflict on this forum.. the preaching of Advaitic beliefs, the bruised egos when people don't buy the sermons, and the predictably subsequent provocations by the E-Team, and finally.. when challenged to an open, honest, and respectful discussion on the merits of the beliefs and the processes chosen to 'spread the word', evasion, excuses, and more provocation.. all in the illusion that the 'E-Team' is here to save you from yourself.. A common denominator for serious problems in a forum, is when a select group of members is allowed to provoke and intimidate other members in a organized fashion.. crying foul when other members retaliate rather than report.. i had no idea Phil, alias Phroggy or enigma, was a member of this forum prior to joining.. but, within a day i was able to identify the same method of operation as at SF.. preach, and intimidate those that don't agree.. Here's the deal.. if you, or if anyone is the 'real-deal', or has the answer.. you need only to state it clearly, simply, and in terms anyone can understand.. no intimidation, or provocation is needed, those types of choices reveal the chooser's confrontational nature, regardless of the ways the chooser tries to justify their nature, even going so far as to equate their bully tactics with 'tough love'.. it's a ruse, an illusion.. Be still and quiet, suspend the thinking processes, be fully present for what is actually happening.. if someone is telling you what is happening or telling you what you should see, go back to looking.. Be well.. Yes, you could say I deal in illusions. It's simple. All the red stuff above is your own illusion, brought to the surface and focused specifically on me. None of it is real. Given the huge rift between what you see, and what is really here, no 'open, honest' discussion can last beyond the first exchange without devolving into chaos. |
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Post by Beingist on Mar 6, 2013 23:59:46 GMT -5
But, what if they're not seeking an end to suffering? Do you really see everyone who posts here as those with such an interest? What about those who don't see themselves as suffering? But isn't spirituality, regardless of the stripe, all about a better life? I'm not sure what else it would be for. Not everybody will claim the end of suffering as such as the goal, but surely a betterer life in some way is part of everybody's speerichool agenda? Starting to sound like FigAndrew there, E. I suppose a 'better life' might be the goal of the spiritual seeker. But, when you realize you are life, the whole point of seeking becomes moot, as I'm sure you understand. I was really referring to those here who have a particular penchant to bring others down, come hell or high water. They don't seem to think that they're suffering, but, yet, they come here regularly. Are you suggesting, (in your earlier exchange with silence), that those who do so are ... suffering? |
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Post by arisha on Mar 7, 2013 0:07:42 GMT -5
If you are saying that about me ( who "brings others down"), I am not suffering in my life, Beingist, but vice-versa.
Spirituality is not about the better life, - it has nothing to do with the better or worse life, because its aim is to help people understand where the roots of suffering are - and then help others, but not themselves.
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Post by Beingist on Mar 7, 2013 0:12:39 GMT -5
If it's about me, I am not suffering, Beingist. Wasn't singling you out, arisha. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 7, 2013 0:31:00 GMT -5
But isn't spirituality, regardless of the stripe, all about a better life? I'm not sure what else it would be for. Not everybody will claim the end of suffering as such as the goal, but surely a betterer life in some way is part of everybody's speerichool agenda? Starting to sound like FigAndrew there, E. I suppose a 'better life' might be the goal of the spiritual seeker. But, when you realize you are life, the whole point of seeking becomes moot, as I'm sure you understand. I was really referring to those here who have a particular penchant to bring others down, come hell or high water. They don't seem to think that they're suffering, but, yet, they come here regularly. Are you suggesting, (in your earlier exchange with silence), that those who do so are ... suffering? You mean those who spend their time here spitting venom and hate and struggle with 'what is'? Yes, I would call it suffering. Though, as I suggest, there may be other figandrew names for what is sought with this process. |
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Post by Beingist on Mar 7, 2013 0:33:46 GMT -5
Starting to sound like FigAndrew there, E. I suppose a 'better life' might be the goal of the spiritual seeker. But, when you realize you are life, the whole point of seeking becomes moot, as I'm sure you understand. I was really referring to those here who have a particular penchant to bring others down, come hell or high water. They don't seem to think that they're suffering, but, yet, they come here regularly. Are you suggesting, (in your earlier exchange with silence), that those who do so are ... suffering? You mean those who spend their time here spitting venom and hate and struggle with 'what is'? Yes, I would call it suffering. Though, as I suggest, there may be other figandrew names for what is sought with this process. But, I thought suffering was entirely subjective.  So, you think you can perceive someone else suffering? |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 7, 2013 0:34:35 GMT -5
*Not sophisticated enough to follow what's going on* Well part of what was going on there, was a reference to a song by the KLF who were previously known as The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu. A very British band, very much of their time. They burned a million pounds in cash. Yay! Someone else gets it! ;D |
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