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Post by tzujanli on Dec 21, 2012 9:53:10 GMT -5
Greetings..
Sweet Jebus, what is this.. enigma and i work through tensions, and the rest of his buddies jump in?.. i remember this gang mentality, hero worship, and turf war crap.. i've watched the same gang beatdown arisha.. i know enigma well, he has an agenda and the rest of the world be damned.. he won't talk about anything without making it about his beliefs or taunting people into a fight.. this looks more and more like RT lite..
Sincerely, Be well..
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Post by topology on Dec 21, 2012 9:55:33 GMT -5
LOL.. You really have no idea what 'Tzu' thinks his 'role here is', i'm a 'newbie', so.. i watch a while, i see a member with nearly 15000 posts in under 3 years, treating others as if this is his private 'intellectual pissin' party', and other than the ones being pissed on, no one seems to care.. so, based on the forum decorum, it mostly looks like SF refugees admiring their freedom to push others around.. that's the "Rome" i see.. Not speaking for others, but.. what the hell is wrong with 'You', missin' some good-ol Ruthless Truth beatdowns? i'm not here to baby-sit your tantrums anymore than i was at SF.. now, if you have the interest to engage in straightforward discussion, where you face reality rather than distort other people's attempts for open discussion, that would be interesting.. if not, if you're still insisting that others comply with your worship of your self-image.. buckle-up bucko, it's gonna be a wild ride.. Be well.. Why to be so tense? Why not to be well yourself? Isn't this perhaps a good time to stop, reflect a bit, and express your gratitude to Enigma for having shown you what pushes your buttons? Btw., I don't see your accusations of Enigma as true. Perhaps when you get to know him better you won't either. But you're always free to refrain from getting involved in discussion with him if you feel you cannot find a common ground. Merrick Ho Ho Ho. Actually there is history and I fear the prospects of coming empty to this interaction are slim. One drama ends, another begins. It seems to be the MO of the board.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2012 10:00:47 GMT -5
Good morning tzujanli, Greetings.. Sweet Jebus, what is this.. enigma and i work through tensions, and the rest of his buddies jump in?.. i remember this gang mentality, hero worship, and turf war crap.. i've watched the same gang beatdown arisha.. i know enigma well, he has an agenda and the rest of the world be darned.. he won't talk about anything without making it about his beliefs or taunting people into a fight.. this looks more and more like RT lite.. Sincerely, Be well.. What would you like to see happen here? Be well...
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Post by topology on Dec 21, 2012 10:06:10 GMT -5
Greetings.. Sweet Jebus, what is this.. enigma and i work through tensions, and the rest of his buddies jump in?.. i remember this gang mentality, hero worship, and turf war crap.. i've watched the same gang beatdown arisha.. i know enigma well, he has an agenda and the rest of the world be darned.. he won't talk about anything without making it about his beliefs or taunting people into a fight.. this looks more and more like RT lite.. Sincerely, Be well.. Tzu, Arisha picked those fights and then made herself the martyr. And much of your post is your own baiting and taunting. If you really want to engage in discussion, maybe restricting yourself to those productive discussions will help move things in that direction.
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Post by silver on Dec 21, 2012 10:17:00 GMT -5
Greetings.. Sweet Jebus, what is this.. enigma and i work through tensions, and the rest of his buddies jump in?.. i remember this gang mentality, hero worship, and turf war crap.. i've watched the same gang beatdown arisha.. i know enigma well, he has an agenda and the rest of the world be darned.. he won't talk about anything without making it about his beliefs or taunting people into a fight.. this looks more and more like RT lite.. Sincerely, Be well.. Tzu, Arisha picked those fights and then made herself the martyr. And much of your post is your own baiting and taunting. If you really want to engage in discussion, maybe restricting yourself to those productive discussions will help move things in that direction. Sure, yeah Arisha has some answering to do - and now she sorta has - but for as fair and even-handed as I've for the most part viewed you in the past, you do have your own chosen blindspots to edge a little bit closer to the 'side' you claim not to make.
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Post by topology on Dec 21, 2012 10:22:12 GMT -5
Tzu, Arisha picked those fights and then made herself the martyr. And much of your post is your own baiting and taunting. If you really want to engage in discussion, maybe restricting yourself to those productive discussions will help move things in that direction. Sure, yeah Arisha has some answering to do - and now she sorta has - but for as fair and even-handed as I've for the most part viewed you in the past, you do have your own chosen blindspots to edge a little bit closer to the 'side' you claim not to make. Still framing things in terms of sides?
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Post by silver on Dec 21, 2012 10:27:50 GMT -5
Sure, yeah Arisha has some answering to do - and now she sorta has - but for as fair and even-handed as I've for the most part viewed you in the past, you do have your own chosen blindspots to edge a little bit closer to the 'side' you claim not to make. Still framing things in terms of sides? I'm not the first - or only one to do that - actions.speak louder. Check out last night's droppings. As I see it, you can no longer claim to be sideless, my friend.
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Post by topology on Dec 21, 2012 10:33:43 GMT -5
Still framing things in terms of sides? I'm not the first - or only one to do that - actions.speak louder. Check out last night's droppings. As I see it, you can no longer claim to be sideless, my friend. You mean I can no longer claim that Silver does not claim I take sides.
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Post by tzujanli on Dec 21, 2012 10:41:59 GMT -5
Greetings..
What do i wish to happen here? Discussion, open minded discussion, no one's right and no one's wrong..
I have no dog in the arisha fight, but as an observer.. it looked like a gang-assault.. skilled tormentors picking apart easy prey..
So, it might be interesting to analyze the arisha affair in terms of 'intent', if people might offer their intentions for their relationships with arisha.. i arrived late for that destruction, but the result had already been determined..
Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2012 10:52:59 GMT -5
okay hello... Greetings.. What do i wish to happen here? Discussion, open minded discussion, no one's right and no one's wrong.. I have no dog in the arisha fight, but as an observer.. it looked like a gang-assault.. skilled tormentors picking apart easy prey.. So, it might be interesting to analyze the arisha affair in terms of 'intent', if people might offer their intentions for their relationships with arisha.. i arrived late for that destruction, but the result had already been determined.. Be well.. Hmmm, my intent? I'm trying to learn stuff while being in conversation here at the forum. My relationship with arisha has been amicable, for the most part. I think it bugs her that I don't see enigma and some of the others she thinks of as bad in the same way, so another intent is to share with her when I disagree about those perceptions. She suffers from this Mr.G character, which I have no clue about, really. But I don't like it that it/he causes her such pain. It's been helpful discussing with arisha, because she has a totally different perspective on a lot of this stuff, yet I haven't personally seen it as incompatible. A lot of my intent with her is just to understand what she is saying. I don't even pretend to get a lot of it. I'd say arisha comes with a lot of feeling of 'Rightness' as well as 'Wrongness.' That's part of what is interesting about talking with her. It's a rare perspective here, IMO. take it easy...
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Post by Reefs on Dec 21, 2012 11:11:54 GMT -5
Who is that Mr.G character? Anybody any hints?
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Post by topology on Dec 21, 2012 11:16:13 GMT -5
Who is that Mr.G character? Anybody any hints? Just from what she's said about him. He's some natural psychic who is playing ego-games with a bunch of people. He supposedly opened a psychic channel to her and now he plays with her mental states and controls her thoughts and punishes her whenever she does something wrong or against him. She says she has no ability to break free of his control and when anyone has tried to get her to engage on the topic or motivate her to rebel, she sweeps the issue aside and says it is none of our concern. Thats as much as I have pieced together from interacting with her.
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Post by tzujanli on Dec 21, 2012 11:16:36 GMT -5
Greetings.. okay hello... Greetings.. What do i wish to happen here? Discussion, open minded discussion, no one's right and no one's wrong.. I have no dog in the arisha fight, but as an observer.. it looked like a gang-assault.. skilled tormentors picking apart easy prey.. So, it might be interesting to analyze the arisha affair in terms of 'intent', if people might offer their intentions for their relationships with arisha.. i arrived late for that destruction, but the result had already been determined.. Be well.. Hmmm, my intent? I'm trying to learn stuff while being in conversation here at the forum. My relationship with arisha has been amicable, for the most part. I think it bugs her that I don't see enigma and some of the others she thinks of as bad in the same way, so another intent is to share with her when I disagree about those perceptions. She suffers from this Mr.G character, which I have no clue about, really. But I don't like it that it/he causes her such pain. It's been helpful discussing with arisha, because she has a totally different perspective on a lot of this stuff, yet I haven't personally seen it as incompatible. A lot of my intent with her is just to understand what she is saying. I don't even pretend to get a lot of it. I'd say arisha comes with a lot of feeling of 'Rightness' as well as 'Wrongness.' That's part of what is interesting about talking with her. It's a rare perspective here, IMO. take it easy... Hi Max: I sensed arisha's well-intended message, as the torch that lights her path, and.. if you've ever used a torch, you know that looking at it tends to blind you to the subtle detail of your surroundings.. I'm of the "live and let live" school of understanding.. willing to engage for the sake of understanding, and equally willing to disengage, unless pursued.. I appreciate the energy and courage of someone with a well-intended cause, especially if they press that cause with a warrior's heart.. but, i also know the result 'when in Rome', so much for 'torch blindness'.. I like the sound of 'easy'.. Be well..
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Post by Reefs on Dec 21, 2012 11:16:51 GMT -5
Greetings.. What do i wish to happen here? Discussion, open minded discussion, no one's right and no one's wrong.. I have no dog in the arisha fight, but as an observer.. it looked like a gang-assault.. skilled tormentors picking apart easy prey.. So, it might be interesting to analyze the arisha affair in terms of 'intent', if people might offer their intentions for their relationships with arisha.. i arrived late for that destruction, but the result had already been determined.. Be well.. Haha. I can see how you come to that kind of conclusion. But this goes back several months and involves several other members. What you saw today was nothing, really. Today Arisha took the victim role. She was rather tame. You should look into the threads where she took the prosecutor role. Chances are high you will change your mind.
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Post by laughter on Dec 21, 2012 11:18:04 GMT -5
Who is that Mr.G character? Anybody any hints? Yes, perhaps the capital "G" although since it is a one-letter word we suffer for the ambiguity.
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