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Post by tzujanli on Mar 8, 2013 0:39:53 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Yes, i know.. but, rather than distract from the issues by giving your beliefs more air-time.. why don't you actually address the E-Team's tactics as cause for conflict on this forum? Why don't you refrain from intentionally provoking conflict? Why do you you suppose that your tactics have any redemptive qualities, aside from your own self-inflated image?.. Be well.. You can address tactics, you evade the issue because you do not like the implications.. the 'E-Team' is primarily enigma, reefs, silence, laughter, and occasionally WhiteShaman who appears more as a fan or cheerleader, and the point is that the 'team' acts to cover each others provacations, or just to cheer each other on, but.. the end result is that you individually, and in concert with the 'team', act to intimidate, provoke, mock, and ridicule those that choose to express beliefs contrary to the beliefs you hold as true.. you act inconsistent with your beliefs, revealing your intention to provoke rather than explore what you don't know.. The beliefs you preach are: that Life is a dream, that "it's all imagined" The only 'thing' that truly exists is THIS that 'there are no separate volitional persons', that non-duality/oneness describe the truth about what 'is' that you are qualified to tell others they are wrong and you are right.. It is the last of your beliefs, believing that you are qualified to intimidate and provoke others due to their expressions of beliefs differing from yours that incites conflict, and.. you are clear about this process, you proudly take ownership for 'pissing peeps off'.. you have no intention for open, honest, direct and respectful discussions, you are interested in the conflict.. if you don't have the advantage, you resort to evasion and derogatory escape tactics.. you've chosen this script, it's the same play regardless of how well you think you play your part.. the final curtain falls on this Physical Play, and you finally experience the Great Mystery.. previously, the Great Mystery is only a mystery, and other than that it's speculation.. Be well.. Be well.. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 8, 2013 1:09:49 GMT -5
Greetings.. I can't address tactics and E-teams because there are no such things, but since you think there are beliefs being preached relentlessly, and apparently feel that this preaching is cause for conflict, I'm asking you to talk about these beliefs and why they are so troublesome to others. You can address tactics, you evade the issue because you do not like the implications.. the 'E-Team' is primarily enigma, reefs, silence, laughter, and occasionally WhiteShaman who appears more as a fan or cheerleader, and the point is that the 'team' acts to cover each others provacations, or just to cheer each other on, but.. the end result is that you individually, and in concert with the 'team', act to intimidate, provoke, mock, and ridicule those that choose to express beliefs contrary to the beliefs you hold as true.. you act inconsistent with your beliefs, revealing your intention to provoke rather than explore what you don't know.. The truth is that those you mention see things differently than you and so in your mind you corral them all together, label them as the enemy, and imagine all sorts of cheerleading, covering, provoking, intimidating, mocking and ridiculing. The truth is that all of those you mentioned, including me, are more open, honest, and less violent than you and your team. These ideas have a noble history that goes back 5,000 years and includes the most revered spiritual leaders and sacred texts. It didn't begin here with us, and it won't end here. It happens to be what this forum exists to explore, and so if your plan is to walk in the room and tell us to stop talking about it because it is all a nonsense, you could expect that we won't just drop everything and fall in line with your beliefs. That sounds reasonable, doesn't it? |
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Post by arisha on Mar 8, 2013 1:30:13 GMT -5
I have a question to you, Enigma:
What is the difference between Life and THIS?
If Life is a dream, but there exists only THIS, but "it's all imagined", - all those statements are yours, - then is THIS a part of our Life ?
If it is, then why is not THIS imagined as well?
If THIS is not a part of our Life, then where is this THIS ? I mean what is this THIS? And how to know about it if it's not a part of our Life?
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Post by silver on Mar 8, 2013 1:44:01 GMT -5
Greetings.. You can address tactics, you evade the issue because you do not like the implications.. the 'E-Team' is primarily enigma, reefs, silence, laughter, and occasionally WhiteShaman who appears more as a fan or cheerleader, and the point is that the 'team' acts to cover each others provacations, or just to cheer each other on, but.. the end result is that you individually, and in concert with the 'team', act to intimidate, provoke, mock, and ridicule those that choose to express beliefs contrary to the beliefs you hold as true.. you act inconsistent with your beliefs, revealing your intention to provoke rather than explore what you don't know.. The truth is that those you mention see things differently than you and so in your mind you corral them all together, label them as the enemy, and imagine all sorts of cheerleading, covering, provoking, intimidating, mocking and ridiculing. The truth is that all of those you mentioned, including me, are more open, honest, and less violent than you and your team. These ideas have a noble history that goes back 5,000 years and includes the most revered spiritual leaders and sacred texts. It didn't begin here with us, and it won't end here. It happens to be what this forum exists to explore, and so if your plan is to walk in the room and tell us to stop talking about it because it is all a nonsense, you could expect that we won't just drop everything and fall in line with your beliefs. That sounds reasonable, doesn't it? I've had this thought before - but gee. This is a forum - a place to discuss all everything that might arise in the minds of those who visit or join up. Even if those ideas go off on various tangents. I really didn't expect this magnitude of hubbub here, over the 'religion' or whatever you want to call it. I expected muuuch more open-minded peeps. And uh, that seems to be a problem - that those who've been hunkered down here the longest and have always been the more active treat this forum like it's their church. I'm not sure it's a good thing to treat this place like one's own personal p*ssing ground where no one else can express the inevitable varying beliefs / opinions. Mutual respect is a biggie - one of the things missing. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 8, 2013 1:47:20 GMT -5
I have a question to you, Enigma: What is the difference between Life and THIS? If Life is a dream, but there exists only THIS, but "it's all imagined", - all those statements are yours, - then is THIS a part of our Life ? If it is, then why is not THIS imagined as well? If THIS is not a part of our Life, then where is this THIS ? I mean what is this THIS? And how to know about it if it's not a part of our Life? I don't talk about THIS. Ask somebody who talks about it. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 8, 2013 1:58:36 GMT -5
The truth is that those you mention see things differently than you and so in your mind you corral them all together, label them as the enemy, and imagine all sorts of cheerleading, covering, provoking, intimidating, mocking and ridiculing. The truth is that all of those you mentioned, including me, are more open, honest, and less violent than you and your team. These ideas have a noble history that goes back 5,000 years and includes the most revered spiritual leaders and sacred texts. It didn't begin here with us, and it won't end here. It happens to be what this forum exists to explore, and so if your plan is to walk in the room and tell us to stop talking about it because it is all a nonsense, you could expect that we won't just drop everything and fall in line with your beliefs. That sounds reasonable, doesn't it? I've had this thought before - but gee. This is a forum - a place to discuss all everything that might arise in the minds of those who visit or join up. Even if those ideas go off on various tangents. I really didn't expect this magnitude of hubbub here, over the 'religion' or whatever you want to call it. I expected muuuch more open-minded peeps. And uh, that seems to be a problem - that those who've been hunkered down here the longest and have always been the more active treat this forum like it's their church. I'm not sure it's a good thing to treat this place like one's own personal p*ssing ground where no one else can express the inevitable varying beliefs / opinions. Mutual respect is a biggie - one of the things missing. You must be thinking of some other forum. Nobody stops you from talking about whatever odd religious belief or philosophy you might be interested in. On the contrary, it seems some come here and insist we stop talking about nonduality. But you might want to check into what the forum is all about before you try to shut us down. Tzu seems to have an issue with nonduality, but really it seems more like his problem than ours. That was the primary focus of this forum long before he got here. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 8, 2013 3:30:30 GMT -5
Greetings.. I can't address tactics and E-teams because there are no such things, but since you think there are beliefs being preached relentlessly, and apparently feel that this preaching is cause for conflict, I'm asking you to talk about these beliefs and why they are so troublesome to others. You can address tactics, you evade the issue because you do not like the implications.. the 'E-Team' is primarily enigma, reefs, silence, laughter, and occasionally WhiteShaman who appears more as a fan or cheerleader, and the point is that the 'team' acts to cover each others provacations, or just to cheer each other on, but.. the end result is that you individually, and in concert with the 'team', act to intimidate, provoke, mock, and ridicule those that choose to express beliefs contrary to the beliefs you hold as true.. you act inconsistent with your beliefs, revealing your intention to provoke rather than explore what you don't know.. The beliefs you preach are: that Life is a dream, that "it's all imagined" The only 'thing' that truly exists is THIS that 'there are no separate volitional persons', that non-duality/oneness describe the truth about what 'is' that you are qualified to tell others they are wrong and you are right.. It is the last of your beliefs, believing that you are qualified to intimidate and provoke others due to their expressions of beliefs differing from yours that incites conflict, and.. you are clear about this process, you proudly take ownership for 'pissing peeps off'.. you have no intention for open, honest, direct and respectful discussions, you are interested in the conflict.. if you don't have the advantage, you resort to evasion and derogatory escape tactics.. you've chosen this script, it's the same play regardless of how well you think you play your part.. the final curtain falls on this Physical Play, and you finally experience the Great Mystery.. previously, the Great Mystery is only a mystery, and other than that it's speculation.. Be well.. Be well.. Got forum issues? Try love, that stuff can solve anything!  |
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Post by silver on Mar 8, 2013 7:59:37 GMT -5
I've had this thought before - but gee. This is a forum - a place to discuss all everything that might arise in the minds of those who visit or join up. Even if those ideas go off on various tangents. I really didn't expect this magnitude of hubbub here, over the 'religion' or whatever you want to call it. I expected muuuch more open-minded peeps. And uh, that seems to be a problem - that those who've been hunkered down here the longest and have always been the more active treat this forum like it's their church. I'm not sure it's a good thing to treat this place like one's own personal p*ssing ground where no one else can express the inevitable varying beliefs / opinions. Mutual respect is a biggie - one of the things missing. You must be thinking of some other forum. Nobody stops you from talking about whatever odd religious belief or philosophy you might be interested in. On the contrary, it seems some come here and insist we stop talking about nonduality. But you might want to check into what the forum is all about before you try to shut us down. Tzu seems to have an issue with nonduality, but really it seems more like his problem than ours. That was the primary focus of this forum long before he got here. Nobody's said a word about 'shut us down.' Now, that was one weirda$$ statement to make. If anybody tried to tell you what the problem was/is, that'd be downright rude. And furthermore, no one's said a thing about stopping talking about nonduality, either.  |
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 8, 2013 8:53:12 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. You can address tactics, you evade the issue because you do not like the implications.. the 'E-Team' is primarily enigma, reefs, silence, laughter, and occasionally WhiteShaman who appears more as a fan or cheerleader, and the point is that the 'team' acts to cover each others provacations, or just to cheer each other on, but.. the end result is that you individually, and in concert with the 'team', act to intimidate, provoke, mock, and ridicule those that choose to express beliefs contrary to the beliefs you hold as true.. you act inconsistent with your beliefs, revealing your intention to provoke rather than explore what you don't know.. The stated purpose of the forum: This board is intended for anyone with a sincere interest in a spiritual path or teacher and is not limited to those interested in spiritual teachers reviewed at Spiritualteachers.org... No, it doesn't sound reasonable, you are mischaracterizing the issue, which is part of the problem.. i do not expect you to "stop talking about it" or to "drop everything and fall in line", that is your imagined defense.. i'm asking you TO discuss you beliefs, openly, honestly, and respectfully, and that is the crux of the problem, you won't.. when you can't resolve the inconsistencies you become hostile, you deflect rational scrutiny through the diversion of pissing people off.. Be well.. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Mar 8, 2013 9:24:26 GMT -5
Greetings.. The truth is that those you mention see things differently than you and so in your mind you corral them all together, label them as the enemy, and imagine all sorts of cheerleading, covering, provoking, intimidating, mocking and ridiculing. The truth is that all of those you mentioned, including me, are more open, honest, and less violent than you and your team.These ideas have a noble history that goes back 5,000 years and includes the most revered spiritual leaders and sacred texts. It didn't begin here with us, and it won't end here. It happens to be what this forum exists to explore, and so if your plan is to walk in the room and tell us to stop talking about it because it is all a nonsense, you could expect that we won't just drop everything and fall in line with your beliefs. That sounds reasonable, doesn't it? The stated purpose of the forum: This board is intended for anyone with a sincere interest in a spiritual path or teacher and is not limited to those interested in spiritual teachers reviewed at Spiritualteachers.org... No, it doesn't sound reasonable, you are mischaracterizing the issue, which is part of the problem.. i do not expect you to "stop talking about it" or to "drop everything and fall in line", that is your imagined defense.. i'm asking you TO discuss you beliefs, openly, honestly, and respectfully, and that is the crux of the problem, you won't.. when you can't resolve the inconsistencies you become hostile, you deflect rational scrutiny through the diversion of pissing people off.. Be well.. Tzu, the vast majority of teachers Spiritualteachers.org review and discuss favorably are in fact non-dualist and uphold the notion of the person being illusory. Illusory here means impermanant, not non-existent. The non-dualist still eats and craps. Its just that heoonly recognizes that which is permanent about himself as the Real and everything else about himself as fleeting and without eternal reality. Also, the masthead of every page beyond the home page here reads " Late night neo-advaitic ramblings, questions and curiosities, or that thought that you just have to share, all such posts are welcome here." It clearly encourages the neo-advaitic, non-dual slant as the forums intended discussions. |
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Post by silver on Mar 8, 2013 9:41:16 GMT -5
Tzu, the vast majority of teachers Spiritualteachers.org review and discuss favorably are in fact non-dualist and uphold the notion of the person being illusory. Illusory here means impermanant, not non-existent. The non-dualist still eats and craps. Its just that heoonly recognizes that which is permanent about himself as the Real and everything else about himself as fleeting and without eternal reality. Also, the masthead of every page beyond the home page here reads " Late night neo-advaitic ramblings, questions and curiosities, or that thought that you just have to share, all such posts are welcome here." It clearly encourages the neo-advaitic, non-dual slant as the forums intended discussions. Respectfully and well put - yet some act as if they don't still eat and crap. |
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Post by OMG on Mar 8, 2013 12:08:25 GMT -5
Greetings.. The stated purpose of the forum: This board is intended for anyone with a sincere interest in a spiritual path or teacher and is not limited to those interested in spiritual teachers reviewed at Spiritualteachers.org... No, it doesn't sound reasonable, you are mischaracterizing the issue, which is part of the problem.. i do not expect you to "stop talking about it" or to "drop everything and fall in line", that is your imagined defense.. i'm asking you TO discuss you beliefs, openly, honestly, and respectfully, and that is the crux of the problem, you won't.. when you can't resolve the inconsistencies you become hostile, you deflect rational scrutiny through the diversion of pissing people off.. Be well.. Tzu, the vast majority of teachers Spiritualteachers.org review and discuss favorably are in fact non-dualist and uphold the notion of the person being illusory. Illusory here means impermanant, not non-existent. The non-dualist still eats and craps. Its just that heoonly recognizes that which is permanent about himself as the Real and everything else about himself as fleeting and without eternal reality. Also, the masthead of every page beyond the home page here reads " Late night neo-advaitic ramblings, questions and curiosities, or that thought that you just have to share, all such posts are welcome here." It clearly encourages the neo-advaitic, non-dual slant as the forums intended discussions. Hi justlikeyou, I am hoping that you might be able to see how the 'umbrella' charter of this forum is a specific qualification of the parent site, and as such leaves the door open, and intends to open the door - to other beliefs and ideals, in addition to non-dualism. You appear to be making the same mistaken assumption many here seem to base their participation on - that the suggestion of "late nite neo-advaita ramblings" is somehow a mandate of conformity to the explicit content of the 'parent' site, but what is actuallty not explicitly stated in the home page 'charter'. Further - the quote by Richard Rose seems to indicate an intention of encouraging a catholicity of views and approaches. If this is not the case - then the site owner or administrator may need to clarify what are the true intentions here. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Mar 8, 2013 12:40:09 GMT -5
Hi justlikeyou, I am hoping that you might be able to see how the 'umbrella' charter of this forum is a specific qualification of the parent site, and as such leaves the door open, and intends to open the door - to other beliefs and ideals, in addition to non-dualism. You appear to be making the same mistaken assumption many here seem to base their participation on - that the suggestion of "late nite neo-advaita ramblings" is somehow a mandate of conformity to the explicit content of the 'parent' site, but what is actuallty not explicitly stated in the home page 'charter'. Further - the quote by Richard Rose seems to indicate an intention of encouraging a catholicity of views and approaches. If this is not the case - then the site owner or administrator may need to clarify what are the true intentions here. Hi OMG, The point I was trying to make to Tzu is that the forum has a strong non-dual flavor by design, though I do not take that as meant to be exclusive, but that by attacking the cherished concepts of non-duality in a non-dual flavored forum he shouldn't be surprised if there is a fight. Thats all. But in an ideal situation, a purely dispassionate discussion from any starting point could be useful and beneficial. But that seems an impossibility on a public forum. Rick |
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Post by OMG on Mar 8, 2013 12:49:54 GMT -5
Hi justlikeyou, I am hoping that you might be able to see how the 'umbrella' charter of this forum is a specific qualification of the parent site, and as such leaves the door open, and intends to open the door - to other beliefs and ideals, in addition to non-dualism. You appear to be making the same mistaken assumption many here seem to base their participation on - that the suggestion of "late nite neo-advaita ramblings" is somehow a mandate of conformity to the explicit content of the 'parent' site, but what is actuallty not explicitly stated in the home page 'charter'. Further - the quote by Richard Rose seems to indicate an intention of encouraging a catholicity of views and approaches. If this is not the case - then the site owner or administrator may need to clarify what are the true intentions here. Hi OMG, The point I was trying to make to Tzu is that the forum has a strong non-dual flavor by design, though I do not take that as meant to be exclusive, but that by attacking the cherished concepts of non-duality in a non-dual flavored forum he shouldn't be surprised if there is a fight. Thats all. But in an ideal situation, a purely dispassionate discussion from any starting point could be useful and beneficial. But that seems an impossibility on a public forum. Rick Hi justlikeyou, imo, The characterization of TJL's participation as an 'attack' is an argument that can best be approached after due consideration of my previous has determined what is the actual purpose for discussion here. In that light it might be equally plausible that TJL has been 'attacked', as well as others based on a misconstrued assumption about the general topic here. Spirituality in general or ND in specific? If it is the latter I'll be the first to respectfully respond to that constraint - and i think others here who may feel marginalized by a 'vociferous social pressure' would too. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Mar 8, 2013 13:26:18 GMT -5
Well, perhaps there ought to be a statement of clarification by Peter. I will ask him about it.
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