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Post by Reefs on Mar 10, 2013 3:06:45 GMT -5
Well, this recent exchage here got my attention:
You're not telling me I'm wrong and you're right? No.. Tzu came here looking for open and honest discussion. Open minded discussions where no one is right and no one is wrong. Tzu likes it respectful, direct, honest and - most importantly - open. To be sure that we get that message, he mentioned it a few more times, specifically here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and hereWell, that's a long list, a lot of repetition. It's almost spamming. For what, actually? So that we - or more specifically, Enigma - will get the message? The main message seems to be that Enigma refuses to participate in open and honest discussions that Tzu appreciates so much and the subliminal message here seems to be that this kind of behavior is ... lets face it Tzu ... WRONG - at least that's how your message comes across. Or is your message that YOU are open and honest and respectful and the sub-message that ENIGMA is NOT open and honest and respectful is just a minor side effect? Tzu, you've already made your point a gazillion times. We now know what kind of discussions you want - at least in theory. And Enigma is obviously not going to change for you and is not going to put greetings and well wishes into his posts no matter how often you repeat your OHDM. So, why are you still trying to get into an open and honest discussion with Enigma? Is there a possibility that you just let Enigma be Enigma? Wouldn't it be easier to just ignore him? Or is that not an option? Just wondering...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2013 4:28:07 GMT -5
TMTOYH
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Post by arisha on Mar 10, 2013 4:28:39 GMT -5
Open, honest discussion is not possible when the person is not interested in open, honest discussion.
You can keep on looking for your "proofs", citing, giving links, - you won't "prove" what you want to prove.
No truth in your words. Citing and links cannot help you. Your twisting and distorting have played a bad joke with you. Who will believe you?
Enigma also made his points a gazzilion times. And we know what kind of discussions he wants.
Your pointing to Tzu's greetings is something ridiculous. Nobody asks Enigma to put greetings and good wishes. Everybody knows that he is not able to produce them.
But Tzu's greetings look very good, and he has his right to put them in his posts. And his behavior is also very respectful, and he is open and honest, yes. He doesn't twist, doesn't distort, doesn't change the subject, doesn't changes contexts in order to imitate righteousness, - and he is NEVER engaged in idle talking and empty discussions.
If you think that Enigma doesn't need to change, - LOL! - It's his problem if he also thinks that he doesn't need to change.
Don't even try to present Tzu as a wrong person for a spiritual forum.
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Post by Reefs on Mar 10, 2013 4:57:36 GMT -5
Open, honest discussion is not possible when the person is not interested in open, honest discussion. You can keep on looking for your "proofs", citing, giving links, - you won't "prove" what you want to prove. No truth in your words. Citing and links cannot help you. Your twisting and distorting have played a bad joke with you. Who will believe you? Enigma also made his points a gazzilion times. And we know what kind of discussions he wants. Your pointing to Tzu's greetings is something ridiculous. Nobody asks Enigma to put greetings and good wishes. Everybody knows that he is not able to produce them. But Tzu's greetings look very good, and he has his right to put them in his posts. And his behavior is also very respectful, and he is open and honest, yes. He doesn't twist, doesn't distort, doesn't change the subject, doesn't changes contexts in order to imitate righteousness, - and he is NEVER engaged in idle talking and empty discussions. If you think that Enigma doesn't need to change, - LOL! - It's his problem if he also thinks that he doesn't need to change. Don't even try to present Tzu as a wrong person for a spiritual forum. Is this post an example for an open and honest discussion?
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Post by arisha on Mar 10, 2013 5:08:22 GMT -5
I am not going to start any discussion with you as it's not possible. You can say that it's a confusion because I've already started it. I will say that I don't want to continue. You can post something to provoke me to go on posting. I am going to tell you that I will be posting when I want, without asking your permission for that.
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Post by Reefs on Mar 10, 2013 5:15:31 GMT -5
I am not going to start any discussion with you as it's not possible. You can say that it's a confusion because I've already started it. I will say that I don't want to continue. Then what are you doing here?
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Post by arisha on Mar 10, 2013 5:18:40 GMT -5
I am doing here the same as you are doing here.
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Post by Reefs on Mar 10, 2013 5:20:03 GMT -5
I am doing here the same as you are doing here. And that would be?
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Post by arisha on Mar 10, 2013 5:21:22 GMT -5
I am doing here the same as you are doing here. And that would be? Ask yourself.
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Post by Reefs on Mar 10, 2013 5:26:14 GMT -5
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Post by silver on Mar 10, 2013 8:14:33 GMT -5
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Post by Reefs on Mar 10, 2013 8:33:36 GMT -5
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Post by silver on Mar 10, 2013 11:12:11 GMT -5
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Post by laughter on Mar 10, 2013 11:34:46 GMT -5
But Tzu's greetings look very good, and he has his right to put them in his posts. And his behavior is also very respectful, and he is open and honest, yes. He doesn't twist, doesn't distort, doesn't change the subject, doesn't changes contexts in order to imitate righteousness, - and he is NEVER engaged in idle talking and empty discussions. Respectful yes, if you give him the benefit of the doubt. Begrudging that is always a lost opportunity. Open and honest? I've encountered answers to questions that didn't seem sincere in the interest of what I imagine to be scoring points when the conversation devolves into debate, but for the most part yes, to me it has seemed possible, albeit sometimes with a little work (when he gets defensive), to get Bob to say what's actually on his mind. He does stay on point in the conversation for the most part, and no, I haven't encountered him using the context-flip as a device, at least not to any significant extent. I do perceive him as a source of righteousness though, and in a big way. he is NEVER engaged in idle talking and empty discussions. I disagree with you on this point Arisha, because once someone has expressed an outlook that I don't share, I'll leave that alone, partly out of respect, partly out of the practicality of recognizing the situation for what it is -- there's no point in beating a dead horse. Repetitively stating disagreement based on the same point might be described as "idle talking and empty discussions". I'd rather the expression "futile and noisy".
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Post by Reefs on Mar 10, 2013 12:04:03 GMT -5
Well, Silvergirl, that brings us back again full circle to your imagination issues. Arisha was imagining a great deal there in that post, seeing things that aren't there...
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