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Post by oneness on Jan 23, 2009 15:14:13 GMT -5
I feel that most of the so-called Spiritual Teachers have something that might be useful, but for me I feel just being open to allowing the spiritual energies that are outlined in Doreen Virtues book entitled Archangels and Ascended Masters, along with being able to self validate some concept how ego based behavior is displayed with written/verbally, along with integrating the fundamental aspects as outlined by the Michael Teachings is what I bring together. I don't fully prescribe to any particular "Spiritual Teacher" since I don't believe that any of them are really fully enlightened. I feel personally, that philosophies stemming from Religion is not entirely truthful and I don't think of me being a Religious minded person. I think that understanding the fundamental aspects of the Michael Teachings as well as consulting with a good Michael Channel can be extremely helpful, but knowing that no "Spiritual Teacher" is going to be 100% accurate 100% of the time. That's impossible. It's learning how to behave in a truthful manner and associating with others that try to behave in a truthful manner, doing what we love doing with regards to work, play, rest, study that is positive and truthful as much as possible and to ask questions, self validate what feels right and doing something positive to enjoy one's life and not get disjointed with what one "Spiritual Teacher" seems to think. Take in what you think is right and positive and try to understand if it is truthful or not. I've seen many "Spiritual Teachers" that quite frankly, contradict themselves, not have fully identifiable concepts that are more generalities and don't really help. I feel that a lot of the Philosophies stemming from various Religions are pretty much not that helpful and not applicable in all scenarios. I feel it is wrong to put one "Spiritual Teacher" above the other as in the case of Religious Studies as I feel that Religious studies are based on too much ego and don't really help one understand one's own behavior and ability to overcome one's own shortcomings, which is why I don't really read and support Religious books. I find them counterproductive and just a way to manipulate people into one ideology that is a Institutionalized Religious Cult that is all based on too much ego.
and always continually ask questions.. Sometimes we get one answer one day, but another answer later on that helps us fully understand something that is bothering us. We are all on a need to know basis and sometimes we ask questions that we don't need to know the answers when we ask them..... :-)
Have a nice day.
Thank you.
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Post by oneness on Jan 23, 2009 15:37:45 GMT -5
Another thought. I have read many of Dr. Hawkins' books. While I don't practice Kinestiology, find his studies to be useful, while not 100% accurate, but helpful in understanding the truthful aspects of society vs. falsehoods. i think his reading is worthwhile, but I try to figure out what resonates as a truthful statement vs. a untruthful statement and I agree with much of what he discusses.
We are emotional people and being taught Religion, to me is a false personality filled with dogma, rituals, and methods of manipulating people into becoming racist people. There are too many racist activites that stem from Religious minded people and I think they are trying to manipulate societies, Government, Corporations into behaving in a negative manner which is deep rooted in ego and trying to capitalize on people's fears. Also, one has to remove mind altering substances like drugs of all types, including alcohol. Drugs negatively affects one's ability to use sound judgement, reasoning, memory and they enhance one's personality in a negative manner. Plus they are unhealthy for the mind, body and soul. But unfortunately, many religions teach people to drink alcohol, which is a deep rooted cause of alcoholism in our society.
Thank you.
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Post by dwbh1953 on Jan 25, 2009 16:20:10 GMT -5
Another thought. I have read many of Dr. Hawkins' books. While I don't practice Kinestiology, find his studies to be useful, while not 100% accurate, but helpful in understanding the truthful aspects of society vs. falsehoods. i think his reading is worthwhile, but I try to figure out what resonates as a truthful statement vs. a untruthful statement and I agree with much of what he discusses. We are emotional people and being taught Religion, to me is a false personality filled with dogma, rituals, and methods of manipulating people into becoming racist people. There are too many racist activites that stem from Religious minded people and I think they are trying to manipulate societies, Government, Corporations into behaving in a negative manner which is deep rooted in ego and trying to capitalize on people's fears. Also, one has to remove mind altering substances like drugs of all types, including alcohol. Drugs negatively affects one's ability to use sound judgement, reasoning, memory and they enhance one's personality in a negative manner. Plus they are unhealthy for the mind, body and soul. But unfortunately, many religions teach people to drink alcohol, which is a deep rooted cause of alcoholism in our society. Thank you. Hi I have read your posts but to be honest I do not know what you are trying to share here. Maybe just a platform to write which is fine but if your trying to make a point I for one have missed it.. Cheers Randyji |
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Post by oneness on Jan 25, 2009 20:32:23 GMT -5
Hi I have read your posts but to be honest I do not know what you are trying to share here. Maybe just a platform to write which is fine but if your trying to make a point I for one have missed it..
Cheers
Randyji[/quote]
Well, there could be a variety of reasons why you don't understand my point. It might be Soul Age level or maybe you need to ask some questions. If you ask a question, i'll try to answer it. Basically, most of the "Spiritual Teachers" don't really help on a practical level. I find understanding the aspects of the Michael Teaching to be much more helpful, especially when using a Michael Channel that can answer my questions. It is just a more practical approach to daily living than using a Religion or a Philosophy. if you have any questions, please feel free to ask. I will answer them an honestly as possible.
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Post by lightmystic on Jan 26, 2009 0:03:52 GMT -5
Hmm...that sounds kind of condescending to me... What practical advice do you have to offer? Well, there could be a variety of reasons why you don't understand my point. It might be Soul Age level or maybe you need to ask some questions. If you ask a question, i'll try to answer it. Basically, most of the "Spiritual Teachers" don't really help on a practical level. I find understanding the aspects of the Michael Teaching to be much more helpful, especially when using a Michael Channel that can answer my questions. It is just a more practical approach to daily living than using a Religion or a Philosophy. if you have any questions, please feel free to ask. I will answer them an honestly as possible. |
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Post by oneness on Jan 26, 2009 5:48:51 GMT -5
Hmm...that sounds kind of condescending to me... What practical advice do you have to offer? Well, there could be a variety of reasons why you don't understand my point. It might be Soul Age level or maybe you need to ask some questions. If you ask a question, i'll try to answer it. Basically, most of the "Spiritual Teachers" don't really help on a practical level. I find understanding the aspects of the Michael Teaching to be much more helpful, especially when using a Michael Channel that can answer my questions. It is just a more practical approach to daily living than using a Religion or a Philosophy. if you have any questions, please feel free to ask. I will answer them an honestly as possible. The person that posted the response was being condescending in the first place, but I was trying to be truthful in trying to figure out what they didn't understand. Practical advice for what? Can you be a little more specific? |
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Post by Peter on Jan 26, 2009 8:21:14 GMT -5
I wonder if that's Michael Teaching TM being referred to. Apparently Stephen Cocconi is now accepting Pay Pal TM which is handy, although he also says that selling "cheapens" what he does, so I'm not sure where that leaves him. www.themichaelteaching.com/cosmology.htmlDid you take the No-Fault Communication Method TM Seminar, Oneness? But unfortunately, many religions teach people to drink alcohol, which is a deep rooted cause of alcoholism in our society. Do they? I can't say that I've ever come across that. Doesn't it seem more likely that poverty, stress, hopelessness and spiritual emptiness are more obvious deep rooted causes of alcoholism? Would you agree that free will, or "The Veil" is very carefully maintained on this planet? That there is just enough evidence out there for anyone to believe just about anything they choose to believe - God, Non-Duality, Reincarnation, whatever. But at the end of the day it could be that this is just a ball of mud that we live on, there is nothing 'higher', and when we die, we just die. All feelings, intuition and spiritual experience could be self induced. It's ALL possible, and nothing is provable. And I've a feeling (which could be self induced delusion) that it's been very carefully constructed that way. Your first posting certainly had a relevant subject line! Let me read you back a few of your opinions: *Most spiritual teachers have something that might be useful. *No Spiritual Teacher is fully enlightened. *No philosophy stemming from religion is entirely truthful. *Spiritual Teachers can cause one to become disjointed. *Many spiritual teachers contradict themselves. *A lot of the Philosophies stemming from various Religions are not that helpful or applicable. *Religious books are counterproductive and manipulate people into ideology. Phew! Seems like an awful lot of bashing the opposition going on here. Are you sure you're not pushing some sort of ideology? I agree with much of what you say - for example that fear is used to control. But I think blaming Religion as such for this is missing the true cause. As I see it, any entity that can be used to control - religion, the media, corporations, government - attracts people who want to control. Spritual groups are not in anyway immune to this, look at the infighting that the Theosophical Society has had to go through. If Stephen Cocconi TM is anything to go by, then The Michael Teachings has it's own fair share of Egos trying to get to the top and dominate the rest. Would you agree? Cheers, Peter PS Personally, I didn't think Randyji was being condescending. On this particular occasion anyway.  |
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Post by oneness on Jan 26, 2009 10:35:47 GMT -5
No. Michael Channelers have to charge money for their services because they have bills to pay, just like everyone else. Treat them like an adviser or a psychologist that is more pro-active, rather than reactive. In most psychotherapy sessions, one is usually asked questions and the patient answers or tries to answer the questions. But have fun, it for entertainment purposes...... Just like any channeling services.
Any service done by someone should have some sort of monetary value exchanged, since they do this for a living.
As for that other seminar? Nope, I haven't been to one. I have just had a series of channeled readings by various Channelers and it has helped me understand who I am, what behavior traits I need to work on, past life connections, etc.
I don't see what the big deal is about asking someone for a channeled reading and paying for it. It's their profession. Just know that any good Michael Channeler is only going to be up to 85% accurate, but sometimes they are 100% accurate depending on the questions asked and if they put their own ego into the answer. Some are quite good in what they do.
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Post by oneness on Jan 26, 2009 10:47:23 GMT -5
I wonder if that's Michael Teaching TM being referred to. Apparently Stephen Cocconi is now accepting Pay Pal TM which is handy, although he also says that selling "cheapens" what he does, so I'm not sure where that leaves him. www.themichaelteaching.com/cosmology.htmlDid you take the No-Fault Communication Method TM Seminar, Oneness? But unfortunately, many religions teach people to drink alcohol, which is a deep rooted cause of alcoholism in our society. Do they? I can't say that I've ever come across that. Doesn't it seem more likely that poverty, stress, hopelessness and spiritual emptiness are more obvious deep rooted causes of alcoholism? Would you agree that free will, or "The Veil" is very carefully maintained on this planet? That there is just enough evidence out there for anyone to believe just about anything they choose to believe - God, Non-Duality, Reincarnation, whatever. But at the end of the day it could be that this is just a ball of mud that we live on, there is nothing 'higher', and when we die, we just die. All feelings, intuition and spiritual experience could be self induced. It's ALL possible, and nothing is provable. And I've a feeling (which could be self induced delusion) that it's been very carefully constructed that way. Your first posting certainly had a relevant subject line! Let me read you back a few of your opinions: *Most spiritual teachers have something that might be useful. *No Spiritual Teacher is fully enlightened. *No philosophy stemming from religion is entirely truthful. *Spiritual Teachers can cause one to become disjointed. *Many spiritual teachers contradict themselves. *A lot of the Philosophies stemming from various Religions are not that helpful or applicable. *Religious books are counterproductive and manipulate people into ideology. Phew! Seems like an awful lot of bashing the opposition going on here. Are you sure you're not pushing some sort of ideology? I agree with much of what you say - for example that fear is used to control. But I think blaming Religion as such for this is missing the true cause. As I see it, any entity that can be used to control - religion, the media, corporations, government - attracts people who want to control. Spritual groups are not in anyway immune to this, look at the infighting that the Theosophical Society has had to go through. If Stephen Cocconi TM is anything to go by, then The Michael Teachings has it's own fair share of Egos trying to get to the top and dominate the rest. Would you agree? Cheers, Peter PS Personally, I didn't think Randyji was being condescending. On this particular occasion anyway. I never said anything about a Specific Michael Channeler. There are plenty of them out there. Some are more accurate than others and some do word for word readings, while others do interpreted readings. I've used Stephen before a couple of times and thought he had a lot of accuracy, but I have also used many others. Some provided me with useful information as well. So, I don't prescribe to just using one over another. But it is a very interesting approach to understanding who we are, what obstacles we need to over come, explaining certain relationships, etc. and having fun doing it. I think it is a great approach. The best part is doing the true rest, true play, true work, and true study. Most people miss the boat on that one. It just a framework for a way of life, but it isn't a Religion, nor does it want to become a religion. It's just a way to improve oneself. |
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Post by lightmystic on Jan 26, 2009 10:55:18 GMT -5
Fair enough. I dunno. You said that there was practical advice. I'm curious... I can't say I have any specific questions... Can you give some examples maybe? Hmm...that sounds kind of condescending to me... What practical advice do you have to offer? The person that posted the response was being condescending in the first place, but I was trying to be truthful in trying to figure out what they didn't understand. Practical advice for what? Can you be a little more specific? |
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Post by oneness on Jan 26, 2009 10:59:24 GMT -5
I wonder if that's Michael Teaching TM being referred to. Apparently Stephen Cocconi is now accepting Pay Pal TM which is handy, although he also says that selling "cheapens" what he does, so I'm not sure where that leaves him. www.themichaelteaching.com/cosmology.htmlDid you take the No-Fault Communication Method TM Seminar, Oneness? But unfortunately, many religions teach people to drink alcohol, which is a deep rooted cause of alcoholism in our society. Do they? I can't say that I've ever come across that. Doesn't it seem more likely that poverty, stress, hopelessness and spiritual emptiness are more obvious deep rooted causes of alcoholism? Would you agree that free will, or "The Veil" is very carefully maintained on this planet? That there is just enough evidence out there for anyone to believe just about anything they choose to believe - God, Non-Duality, Reincarnation, whatever. But at the end of the day it could be that this is just a ball of mud that we live on, there is nothing 'higher', and when we die, we just die. All feelings, intuition and spiritual experience could be self induced. It's ALL possible, and nothing is provable. And I've a feeling (which could be self induced delusion) that it's been very carefully constructed that way. Your first posting certainly had a relevant subject line! Let me read you back a few of your opinions: *Most spiritual teachers have something that might be useful. *No Spiritual Teacher is fully enlightened. *No philosophy stemming from religion is entirely truthful. *Spiritual Teachers can cause one to become disjointed. *Many spiritual teachers contradict themselves. *A lot of the Philosophies stemming from various Religions are not that helpful or applicable. *Religious books are counterproductive and manipulate people into ideology. Phew! Seems like an awful lot of bashing the opposition going on here. Are you sure you're not pushing some sort of ideology? I agree with much of what you say - for example that fear is used to control. But I think blaming Religion as such for this is missing the true cause. As I see it, any entity that can be used to control - religion, the media, corporations, government - attracts people who want to control. Spritual groups are not in anyway immune to this, look at the infighting that the Theosophical Society has had to go through. If Stephen Cocconi TM is anything to go by, then The Michael Teachings has it's own fair share of Egos trying to get to the top and dominate the rest. Would you agree? Cheers, Peter PS Personally, I didn't think Randyji was being condescending. On this particular occasion anyway. Yes, he was. It was condescending. |
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Post by oneness on Jan 26, 2009 11:22:53 GMT -5
Fair enough. I dunno. You said that there was practical advice. I'm curious... I can't say I have any specific questions... Can you give some examples maybe? The person that posted the response was being condescending in the first place, but I was trying to be truthful in trying to figure out what they didn't understand. Practical advice for what? Can you be a little more specific? Let me ask you a question. Why do you seek a Spiritual Teacher in the first place? Everyone has their own reasons. Have you done some self awareness as to why you seek to find a Spiritual Teacher? That might help. |
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Post by oneness on Jan 26, 2009 11:38:43 GMT -5
I wonder if that's Michael Teaching TM being referred to. Apparently Stephen Cocconi is now accepting Pay Pal TM which is handy, although he also says that selling "cheapens" what he does, so I'm not sure where that leaves him. www.themichaelteaching.com/cosmology.htmlDid you take the No-Fault Communication Method TM Seminar, Oneness? But unfortunately, many religions teach people to drink alcohol, which is a deep rooted cause of alcoholism in our society. Do they? I can't say that I've ever come across that. Doesn't it seem more likely that poverty, stress, hopelessness and spiritual emptiness are more obvious deep rooted causes of alcoholism? Would you agree that free will, or "The Veil" is very carefully maintained on this planet? That there is just enough evidence out there for anyone to believe just about anything they choose to believe - God, Non-Duality, Reincarnation, whatever. But at the end of the day it could be that this is just a ball of mud that we live on, there is nothing 'higher', and when we die, we just die. All feelings, intuition and spiritual experience could be self induced. It's ALL possible, and nothing is provable. And I've a feeling (which could be self induced delusion) that it's been very carefully constructed that way. Your first posting certainly had a relevant subject line! Let me read you back a few of your opinions: *Most spiritual teachers have something that might be useful. *No Spiritual Teacher is fully enlightened. *No philosophy stemming from religion is entirely truthful. *Spiritual Teachers can cause one to become disjointed. *Many spiritual teachers contradict themselves. *A lot of the Philosophies stemming from various Religions are not that helpful or applicable. *Religious books are counterproductive and manipulate people into ideology. Phew! Seems like an awful lot of bashing the opposition going on here. Are you sure you're not pushing some sort of ideology? I agree with much of what you say - for example that fear is used to control. But I think blaming Religion as such for this is missing the true cause. As I see it, any entity that can be used to control - religion, the media, corporations, government - attracts people who want to control. Spritual groups are not in anyway immune to this, look at the infighting that the Theosophical Society has had to go through. If Stephen Cocconi TM is anything to go by, then The Michael Teachings has it's own fair share of Egos trying to get to the top and dominate the rest. Would you agree? Cheers, Peter PS Personally, I didn't think Randyji was being condescending. On this particular occasion anyway. What's funny is listening to a Spiritual Teacher that starts spouting scripture. The most useful thing I get is a laugh at how ridiculous they are. I saw Deepok and thought he was just ridiculous sounding in what he was talking about. He just didn't make any logical sense. It actually gave me a headache. |
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Post by oneness on Jan 26, 2009 12:04:05 GMT -5
I wonder if that's Michael Teaching TM being referred to. Apparently Stephen Cocconi is now accepting Pay Pal TM which is handy, although he also says that selling "cheapens" what he does, so I'm not sure where that leaves him. www.themichaelteaching.com/cosmology.htmlDid you take the No-Fault Communication Method TM Seminar, Oneness? But unfortunately, many religions teach people to drink alcohol, which is a deep rooted cause of alcoholism in our society. Do they? I can't say that I've ever come across that. Doesn't it seem more likely that poverty, stress, hopelessness and spiritual emptiness are more obvious deep rooted causes of alcoholism? Would you agree that free will, or "The Veil" is very carefully maintained on this planet? That there is just enough evidence out there for anyone to believe just about anything they choose to believe - God, Non-Duality, Reincarnation, whatever. But at the end of the day it could be that this is just a ball of mud that we live on, there is nothing 'higher', and when we die, we just die. All feelings, intuition and spiritual experience could be self induced. It's ALL possible, and nothing is provable. And I've a feeling (which could be self induced delusion) that it's been very carefully constructed that way. Your first posting certainly had a relevant subject line! Let me read you back a few of your opinions: *Most spiritual teachers have something that might be useful. *No Spiritual Teacher is fully enlightened. *No philosophy stemming from religion is entirely truthful. *Spiritual Teachers can cause one to become disjointed. *Many spiritual teachers contradict themselves. *A lot of the Philosophies stemming from various Religions are not that helpful or applicable. *Religious books are counterproductive and manipulate people into ideology. Phew! Seems like an awful lot of bashing the opposition going on here. Are you sure you're not pushing some sort of ideology? I agree with much of what you say - for example that fear is used to control. But I think blaming Religion as such for this is missing the true cause. As I see it, any entity that can be used to control - religion, the media, corporations, government - attracts people who want to control. Spritual groups are not in anyway immune to this, look at the infighting that the Theosophical Society has had to go through. If Stephen Cocconi TM is anything to go by, then The Michael Teachings has it's own fair share of Egos trying to get to the top and dominate the rest. Would you agree? Cheers, Peter PS Personally, I didn't think Randyji was being condescending. On this particular occasion anyway. Bashing? I don't think so. I think I am being pretty honest about it. The problem I see if labeling someone that discusses Religion and promotes a Religion as a Spiritual Teacher. I would say they are a Religious Teacher trying to teach the ancient concepts that have been modified, mis-interpreted, etc. over the years and they basically tell people to ask God, or Jesus Christ, etc. for forgiveness for a sin someone did. That doesn't make sense to me. They tell people to love everyone, but they don't. That's why there are so many Religious wars created. |
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Post by lightmystic on Jan 26, 2009 13:10:24 GMT -5
Sure, I'd be happy to. That's easy. I've found that poking and being poked by others allows more truth to come out, especially if done openly. Working with anyone of spiritual knowledge who is open allows for more to come in. For those that are Awake or Enlightened, I find they have a lot to offer, for they have discovered the nature of life, having removed fundamental identification with the ego. Simply sharing experiences back and forth and examining concepts is what I've found to be beautiful and powerful way for both people to grow into more. I have worked with many spiritual teachers and I will surely work with many more, especially if they are willing to be poked also... So those are the reasons that I value working with spiritual teachers. They have done amazing things for me, always helping point me in the right direction. My understanding of reality would not be anywhere close to what it is without each and every one of their help. Does that help? Let me ask you a question. Why do you seek a Spiritual Teacher in the first place? Everyone has their own reasons. Have you done some self awareness as to why you seek to find a Spiritual Teacher? That might help. |
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