|
|
Post by dwbh1953 on Jan 26, 2009 15:21:21 GMT -5
Hi I have read your posts but to be honest I do not know what you are trying to share here. Maybe just a platform to write which is fine but if your trying to make a point I for one have missed it.. Cheers Randyji Well, there could be a variety of reasons why you don't understand my point. It might be Soul Age level or maybe you need to ask some questions. If you ask a question, i'll try to answer it. Basically, most of the "Spiritual Teachers" don't really help on a practical level. I find understanding the aspects of the Michael Teaching to be much more helpful, especially when using a Michael Channel that can answer my questions. It is just a more practical approach to daily living than using a Religion or a Philosophy. if you have any questions, please feel free to ask. I will answer them an honestly as possible. [/quote] I just got here and heave not read the other posts but here is my reply to your comment.. Oh please just get over yourself ..soul level? Please tell me on a practical level what help your soul level offers. this kind of thing that your spouting off with is 1st grade children stuff of the mind. Like Oh I come from the 4th plane Oh really I am from the 5th plane of awareness Oh really well you should meet Peter he taught Michael evrything he knows Peter comes from the 8th plane of awareness. All of this is mind stuff that is all it is and all you were doing was using this place to try to build up your own self esteem. This is what happens when you stay entrapped in these silly little mind games that have absoulty nothing to do with waking up or enlightenment. Take a hint these people are con people playing with your mind , taking your money,and your mind and ego has bought into it from head to soul. Really you are very funny in a way but if you want to get real and wake up instead of playing mine is better than yours well you may be in the right place after all. nuff said Randyji |
|
|
|
Post by dwbh1953 on Jan 26, 2009 15:52:27 GMT -5
Fair enough. I dunno. You said that there was practical advice. I'm curious... I can't say I have any specific questions... Can you give some examples maybe? Let me ask you a question. Why do you seek a Spiritual Teacher in the first place? Everyone has their own reasons. Have you done some self awareness as to why you seek to find a Spiritual Teacher? That might help. Did LM say he was seeking, you know the more you post the more of a idiot you sound as. I am being serious with you as you are really sounding like a moron, do you even know what self awareness is? I am sorry normally I will not get down on someone but you are the type of person I call the spiritual toxic person. You have no idea what your talking about but yet insdie you is a great zeal to try to put down anything that is real and true. You are like a lost soul put out to sea by your own mind and all you have left is a abused ego that is fighting like hell to make it self known. All you are doing is playing with yourself which is Ok but you have this darkside of you that try as it will to put down other paths and teachers. The reason is very simple you are not that envolved yet. I am sorry if I sound a little rude but to me your toxic and I will not have anything more to do with such foolishness. Others here on this group may feel differnt but my babysitting days are long past gone. I will end by suggesting that you read some real books on spirituality maybe by Nisargadatta Maharaj. that will help no might but will if you can read with a honest heart and a open mind . I am that would be a good book for you. If not then stay with the mind channels if that is your thing but please do not come here and put down what is real because it just makes you look like a real fool. It is better to be thought of as a fool then open one mouth and remove all doubt. Cheers Randji |
|
|
|
Post by Peter on Jan 26, 2009 16:16:23 GMT -5
Any service done by someone should have some sort of monetary value exchanged That's quite a materialistic attitude you seem to have there Oneness. Some of us offer our services for free, as part of a wider spiritual practice. There doesn’t have to be expectation of exchange. The best part is doing the true rest, true play, true work, and true study. That sounds interesting. Can you say something about what makes 'true' rest different from 'ordinary' rest, work, play, etc? It just a framework for a way of life, but it isn't a Religion, nor does it want to become a religion. It's just a way to improve oneself. But is it a framework that is dependent on the guidance of others (albeit trusted others) or am I picking you up wrongly? Yes, he was. It was condescending. Such certainty, as f you've got an Objective view of reality! As I see it, all you can say for sure here is that you felt condescended to. Bashing? I don't think so. I think I am being pretty honest about it. Well you're certainly being honest about your opinion, but my (oh so never so humble) opinion is that you were having a jolly good pop at them. And my experience of group A slagging off group B is that A and B are usually pretty close to each other; otherwise they wouldn't need such antagonism to define their demarcation. For this reason, the Catholics prefer to criticise the Protestants over the British School of Dentistry. ...trying to teach the ancient concepts that have been modified, mis-interpreted, etc. over the years and they basically tell people to ask God, or Jesus Christ, etc. for forgiveness for a sin someone did. That doesn't make sense to me. You're saying it makes more sense to go direct to a channeler and get a 'fresh' teaching? Anyhoo, I'm glad you're doing something that makes sense to you - most people don't stop to ask themselves the question. They tell people to love everyone, but they don't. That's why there are so many Religious wars created. Well that's certainly true. And I think I'd attribute that to the suggestion that the people starting the wars have purely material ambitions behind their manipulations. Religions don't kill people, people kill people. Thanks for the stimulation, Peter |
|
|
|
Post by dwbh1953 on Jan 26, 2009 16:18:11 GMT -5
Dear Oneness here is a quote for you please read it well and study its meaning. This quote is good for all of us but as I have read what you wrote I would say it has been written for you.
I will not have any more discussions with you because I know where you come from and I feel your toxic, but I do hope that this quote will add some wisdom to you soul.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance--that principle is contempt prior to investigation".
Herbert Spencer
|
|
|
|
Post by Peter on Jan 26, 2009 16:47:50 GMT -5
the more you post the more of a idiot you sound as. I am being serious with you as you are really sounding like a moron, do you even know what self awareness is? I am sorry normally I will not get down on someone but you are the type of person I call the spiritual toxic person. Woah, Randy, dude! I do believe your cage has been rattled. Are you not willing to consider that you might have a 'young soul'? Personally I have no feeling, intuition or otherwise of having been anything before this life. I think I might have been a dog. It would certainly explain why I find "Puff the Magic Dragon" so upsetting. |
|
|
|
Post by dwbh1953 on Jan 26, 2009 17:20:49 GMT -5
the more you post the more of a idiot you sound as. I am being serious with you as you are really sounding like a moron, do you even know what self awareness is? I am sorry normally I will not get down on someone but you are the type of person I call the spiritual toxic person. Woah, Randy, dude! I do believe your cage has been rattled. Are you not willing to consider that you might have a 'young soul'? Personally I have no feeling, intuition or otherwise of having been anything before this life. I think I might have been a dog. It would certainly explain why I find "Puff the Magic Dragon" so upsetting. Nah Peter just telling my opinion I have been around to long and the smell is always the same but what makes you think I am rattled at all. Toxic is toxic simple as that not is a person cares to change from toxic to non toxic that is fine..I am just telling as I see it for me it matters not if anyone agrees with me or disagrees. Life is just what it is.. Peace Randji |
|
|
|
Post by dwbh1953 on Jan 26, 2009 17:30:21 GMT -5
the more you post the more of a idiot you sound as. I am being serious with you as you are really sounding like a moron, do you even know what self awareness is? I am sorry normally I will not get down on someone but you are the type of person I call the spiritual toxic person. Woah, Randy, dude! I do believe your cage has been rattled. Are you not willing to consider that you might have a 'young soul'? Personally I have no feeling, intuition or otherwise of having been anything before this life. I think I might have been a dog. It would certainly explain why I find "Puff the Magic Dragon" so upsetting. Actaully Peter I never expect anyone to beleive what I say to be the truth because life is not that way, however I beleive that all kinds of channeling to be toxic to the mind as it takes one away from awakening and just gives strength to the ego while putting down the truth of life at the same time. So yes I feel it is toxic, maybe I need to correct myself to say that it is the channeling that is toxic not the person but it all rolls into the same thing. Example is a drug addict it is the drug that is toxic but once it gets into the person your dealing witha person that is toxic because of the drug. I have never found channeling no matter how sweet and nice it sounds to be of any benefit for advancement on the spiritual path now some may but I gave my opinion for myself not the world. Cheers Randji |
|
|
|
Post by lightmystic on Jan 26, 2009 17:43:50 GMT -5
Personally I have no feeling, intuition or otherwise of having been anything before this life. I think I might have been a dog. It would certainly explain why I find "Puff the Magic Dragon" so upsetting. You find that really upsetting too? Oh good, I thought it was just me...  |
|
|
|
Post by dwbh1953 on Jan 26, 2009 18:06:22 GMT -5
[quote author=peter board=discussion thread=151 post=1148
Personally I have no feeling, intuition or otherwise of having been anything before this life. I think I might have been a dog. It would certainly explain why I find "Puff the Magic Dragon" so upsetting.[/quote]
Peter m8 in reality there is no such thing as time, I know you know that! Time is a made up illusion and since there is no thing as time there is no past, no karma no nothing so you are very correct not to have a feeling you were something in your past because there is no past nor future only this moment all else is illusion of the mind.
Peace
Randji
|
|
|
|
Post by oneness on Jan 26, 2009 18:30:19 GMT -5
Sure, I'd be happy to. That's easy. I've found that poking and being poked by others allows more truth to come out, especially if done openly. Working with anyone of spiritual knowledge who is open allows for more to come in. For those that are Awake or Enlightened, I find they have a lot to offer, for they have discovered the nature of life, having removed fundamental identification with the ego. Simply sharing experiences back and forth and examining concepts is what I've found to be beautiful and powerful way for both people to grow into more. I have worked with many spiritual teachers and I will surely work with many more, especially if they are willing to be poked also... So those are the reasons that I value working with spiritual teachers. They have done amazing things for me, always helping point me in the right direction. My understanding of reality would not be anywhere close to what it is without each and every one of their help. Does that help? Let me ask you a question. Why do you seek a Spiritual Teacher in the first place? Everyone has their own reasons. Have you done some self awareness as to why you seek to find a Spiritual Teacher? That might help. Truth in what? Who are the teacher's you recommend and what concept did you take from your experiences that you can use on a daily basis? |
|
|
|
Post by oneness on Jan 26, 2009 18:39:01 GMT -5
Any service done by someone should have some sort of monetary value exchanged That's quite a materialistic attitude you seem to have there Oneness. Some of us offer our services for free, as part of a wider spiritual practice. There doesn’t have to be expectation of exchange. That sounds interesting. Can you say something about what makes 'true' rest different from 'ordinary' rest, work, play, etc? But is it a framework that is dependent on the guidance of others (albeit trusted others) or am I picking you up wrongly? Such certainty, as f you've got an Objective view of reality! As I see it, all you can say for sure here is that you felt condescended to. Well you're certainly being honest about your opinion, but my (oh so never so humble) opinion is that you were having a jolly good pop at them. And my experience of group A slagging off group B is that A and B are usually pretty close to each other; otherwise they wouldn't need such antagonism to define their demarcation. For this reason, the Catholics prefer to criticise the Protestants over the British School of Dentistry. You're saying it makes more sense to go direct to a channeler and get a 'fresh' teaching? Anyhoo, I'm glad you're doing something that makes sense to you - most people don't stop to ask themselves the question. They tell people to love everyone, but they don't. That's why there are so many Religious wars created. Well that's certainly true. And I think I'd attribute that to the suggestion that the people starting the wars have purely material ambitions behind their manipulations. Religions don't kill people, people kill people. Thanks for the stimulation, Peter first off, I don't think there is anything wrong with someone charging money for a service that involves channeling work. That's just being part of the society. If one doesn't charge money for their services, then how do they propose paying for food, shelter, etc. to live? A truthful form of rest is doing something that the person does that is not only positive but the person LOVES doing it. That's my take. For instance. some people drink alcohol to relax and they love doing it, but it isn't positive as it is a cancer causing drug, etc. Some people just have an inherent connection with certain tasks and doing it with certain people. I would venture to say that most people don't truly love their work, that's one reason why there is so much self medication. most people work just to make money to pay bills, but only a small portion of society do what they love doing, regardless of how much money they are making. the Michael Teachings can either have or not have guidance from others, but it usually helps to have some guidance. It isn't a prerequisite, but some people find some guidance helps to identify and help validate things. For instance, it helps if a Michael Channeler can help identify aspects of relationships with other people to help make a deeper sense of it, but it isn't a requirement.. It just makes it more fun. Sometimes, they will just validate what you already knew, but didn't what words to use to describe the situation or may make you aware of something you hadn't thought of. I personally like word for word channeled readings, but not many channels do it that way. Most are interpretive. |
|
|
|
Post by oneness on Jan 26, 2009 18:44:09 GMT -5
Hi I have read your posts but to be honest I do not know what you are trying to share here. Maybe just a platform to write which is fine but if your trying to make a point I for one have missed it.. Cheers Randyji Well, there could be a variety of reasons why you don't understand my point. It might be Soul Age level or maybe you need to ask some questions. If you ask a question, i'll try to answer it. Basically, most of the "Spiritual Teachers" don't really help on a practical level. I find understanding the aspects of the Michael Teaching to be much more helpful, especially when using a Michael Channel that can answer my questions. It is just a more practical approach to daily living than using a Religion or a Philosophy. if you have any questions, please feel free to ask. I will answer them an honestly as possible. I just got here and heave not read the other posts but here is my reply to your comment.. Oh please just get over yourself ..soul level? Please tell me on a practical level what help your soul level offers. this kind of thing that your spouting off with is 1st grade children stuff of the mind. Like Oh I come from the 4th plane Oh really I am from the 5th plane of awareness Oh really well you should meet Peter he taught Michael evrything he knows Peter comes from the 8th plane of awareness. All of this is mind stuff that is all it is and all you were doing was using this place to try to build up your own self esteem. This is what happens when you stay entrapped in these silly little mind games that have absoulty nothing to do with waking up or enlightenment. Take a hint these people are con people playing with your mind , taking your money,and your mind and ego has bought into it from head to soul. Really you are very funny in a way but if you want to get real and wake up instead of playing mine is better than yours well you may be in the right place after all. nuff said Randyji[/quote] If you understand your soul age level, you can understand what negative aspects people fall into so that you can avoid them, Each Soul age level has obstacles to overcome. I don't think it is a con. Sorry. I've had too many great experiences with them to know that it is actually a much easier and truthful form of psychology to understand that just makes it easier to identify ego based behavior.. Like I said, it is as good as anything else that I have experienced. It was fun, eye opening, and usually those that put it down are usually ignorant to it. Have you studied it? have you had any first hand experiences with it? If not, then you really can't comment. |
|
|
|
Post by oneness on Jan 26, 2009 19:14:41 GMT -5
Let me ask you a question. Why do you seek a Spiritual Teacher in the first place? Everyone has their own reasons. Have you done some self awareness as to why you seek to find a Spiritual Teacher? That might help. Did LM say he was seeking, you know the more you post the more of a idiot you sound as. I am being serious with you as you are really sounding like a moron, do you even know what self awareness is? I am sorry normally I will not get down on someone but you are the type of person I call the spiritual toxic person. You have no idea what your talking about but yet insdie you is a great zeal to try to put down anything that is real and true. You are like a lost soul put out to sea by your own mind and all you have left is a abused ego that is fighting like hell to make it self known. All you are doing is playing with yourself which is Ok but you have this darkside of you that try as it will to put down other paths and teachers. The reason is very simple you are not that envolved yet. I am sorry if I sound a little rude but to me your toxic and I will not have anything more to do with such foolishness. Others here on this group may feel differnt but my babysitting days are long past gone. I will end by suggesting that you read some real books on spirituality maybe by Nisargadatta Maharaj. that will help no might but will if you can read with a honest heart and a open mind . I am that would be a good book for you. If not then stay with the mind channels if that is your thing but please do not come here and put down what is real because it just makes you look like a real fool. It is better to be thought of as a fool then open one mouth and remove all doubt. Cheers Randji I don't need to read Nisargadatta. That's Hindu Philosophies. I am not into Religious Philosophy. I find it not useful. Sorry. If it works for you, go ahead. I am not one to get into Religious Philosophies. Do you have to shave your head to be one of his followers? |
|
|
|
Post by oneness on Jan 26, 2009 19:16:37 GMT -5
Dear Oneness here is a quote for you please read it well and study its meaning. This quote is good for all of us but as I have read what you wrote I would say it has been written for you. I will not have any more discussions with you because I know where you come from and I feel your toxic, but I do hope that this quote will add some wisdom to you soul. "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance--that principle is contempt prior to investigation". Herbert Spencer Yeah, well, I have read what I have read and believe what I believe and Religion isn't part of it. |
|
|
|
Post by dwbh1953 on Jan 26, 2009 19:31:26 GMT -5
Well, there could be a variety of reasons why you don't understand my point. It might be Soul Age level or maybe you need to ask some questions. If you ask a question, i'll try to answer it. Basically, most of the "Spiritual Teachers" don't really help on a practical level. I find understanding the aspects of the Michael Teaching to be much more helpful, especially when using a Michael Channel that can answer my questions. It is just a more practical approach to daily living than using a Religion or a Philosophy. if you have any questions, please feel free to ask. I will answer them an honestly as possible. I just got here and heave not read the other posts but here is my reply to your comment.. Oh please just get over yourself ..soul level? Please tell me on a practical level what help your soul level offers. this kind of thing that your spouting off with is 1st grade children stuff of the mind. Like Oh I come from the 4th plane Oh really I am from the 5th plane of awareness Oh really well you should meet Peter he taught Michael evrything he knows Peter comes from the 8th plane of awareness. All of this is mind stuff that is all it is and all you were doing was using this place to try to build up your own self esteem. This is what happens when you stay entrapped in these silly little mind games that have absoulty nothing to do with waking up or enlightenment. Take a hint these people are con people playing with your mind , taking your money,and your mind and ego has bought into it from head to soul. Really you are very funny in a way but if you want to get real and wake up instead of playing mine is better than yours well you may be in the right place after all. nuff said Randyji If you understand your soul age level, you can understand what negative aspects people fall into so that you can avoid them, Each Soul age level has obstacles to overcome. I don't think it is a con. Sorry. I've had too many great experiences with them to know that it is actually a much easier and truthful form of psychology to understand that just makes it easier to identify ego based behavior.. Like I said, it is as good as anything else that I have experienced. It was fun, eye opening, and usually those that put it down are usually ignorant to it. Have you studied it? have you had any first hand experiences with it? If not, then you really can't comment. [/quote] Yes of course I know it..like the quote I gave you I only comment on what I have experience 1st hand. Years ago my girlfriend was very much involved with the founder of the Michael channeling in the bay area of California. It is nothing but a mind game that is all. A total con and like I said is toxic and has nothing to do with awakening ot enlightenment it is in the same league as the false Ramtha teachings who founder was found out to be a con and a hoax. You really need to understand if you are serious about waking up, I mean to really see who you are and what reality really is you need to let go of all this junk spirituality and seriously look into Who Am I. If you do that with conviction and the hunger to know who you are then sooner or later you will wake up. When you wake up you will see that there has always just been you no one else existing just by itself and everything what is called else is the illusion created by the mind to make it seem like there is a world here filled up with many things..it is NOT! This is also near impossible to describe in words but when I tell you it is just you that is what it is. The mind has played you that is really all there is to it. When the day comes as it will that you wake up to this you will see beyond any doubt that these words are true you will also see that it is impossible or near impossible to even talk about it. All one can really do is point to it. If you wish to be ok on my list all you need to do is stop the teacher bashing because in truth you realy know little of what you speak. Peace Randji |
|
