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Post by oneness on Jan 26, 2009 19:43:49 GMT -5
the more you post the more of a idiot you sound as. I am being serious with you as you are really sounding like a moron, do you even know what self awareness is? I am sorry normally I will not get down on someone but you are the type of person I call the spiritual toxic person. Woah, Randy, dude! I do believe your cage has been rattled. Are you not willing to consider that you might have a 'young soul'? Personally I have no feeling, intuition or otherwise of having been anything before this life. I think I might have been a dog. It would certainly explain why I find "Puff the Magic Dragon" so upsetting. From my understanding, one doesn't become a dog and then a person in a different lifetime. Randy is probably a younger soul age level and hasn't realized that Religion isn't required..... LOL.... |
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Post by lightmystic on Jan 26, 2009 23:13:32 GMT -5
Of COURSE there's time! What are you talking about? ... ...but there also isn't....  [quote author=peter board=discussion thread=151 post=1148 Personally I have no feeling, intuition or otherwise of having been anything before this life. I think I might have been a dog. It would certainly explain why I find "Puff the Magic Dragon" so upsetting. Peter m8 in reality there is no such thing as time, I know you know that! Time is a made up illusion and since there is no thing as time there is no past, no karma no nothing so you are very correct not to have a feeling you were something in your past because there is no past nor future only this moment all else is illusion of the mind. Peace Randji[/quote] |
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Post by lightmystic on Jan 26, 2009 23:27:57 GMT -5
Truth in what?  Direct Experience of the deeper nature of reality. Beyond all concepts, conjectures, ideas. That is Direct Knowing. The Truth of who I Am. The Truth of Life, the connection, the wholeness, the diversity. Exploring one's relationship to it all and finding over and over again: I AM That! Deeper and deeper levels of it, crystalizing into dark silent, divine golden egg shaped, time twisting infinite oneness. Ecstatic! Thrilling! Perfect! Perfectly Normal! Life goes on: An infinite quest. The heroes journey reaching death-defying heights. Repeating, spiraling in ecstasy! How can it possibly be even hinted at properly? Who are the teacher's you recommend and what concept did you take from your experiences that you can use on a daily basis?What concepts truly serve life? We function so much freer without binding ourselves to them. They are us, why attach it? How can one enjoy the rollercoaster if we think we are supposed to be driving the dang thing? The teacher is the verification in yourself, the student itself, life itself, and having others to poke it and bounce it off of. So wonderful. What can be given other than infinite affirmations of what we already Are., what we already have? Those two are not different from each other. Intimate release into life is the practical application! What could be more expanded, more ecstatic?! More perfect? Fulfillment flooding in, at every turn, in every mood. Dependent on nothing, limited by nothing, directed by life! How can words describe...? And the teachers? They point the way. I can give some names if you want, but WHY?
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Post by dwbh1953 on Jan 26, 2009 23:37:35 GMT -5
Truth in what? Direct Experience of the deeper nature of reality. Beyond all concepts, conjectures, ideas. That is Direct Knowing. The Truth of who I Am. The Truth of Life, the connection, the wholeness, the diversity. Exploring one's relationship to it all and finding over and over again: I AM That! Deeper and deeper levels of it, crystalizing into dark silent, divine golden egg shaped, time twisting infinite oneness. Ecstatic! Thrilling! Perfect! Perfectly Normal! Life goes on: An infinite quest. The heroes journey reaching death-defying heights. Repeating, spiraling in ecstasy! How can it possibly be even hinted at properly? Who are the teacher's you recommend and what concept did you take from your experiences that you can use on a daily basis?What concepts truly serve life? We function so much freer without binding ourselves to them. They are us, why attach it? How can one enjoy the rollercoaster if we think we are supposed to be driving the dang thing? The teacher is the verification in yourself, the student itself, life itself, and having others to poke it and bounce it off of. So wonderful. What can be given other than infinite affirmations of what we already Are., what we already have? Those two are not different from each other. Intimate release into life is the practical application! What could be more expanded, more ecstatic?! More perfect? Fulfillment flooding in, at every turn, in every mood. Dependent on nothing, limited by nothing, directed by life! How can words describe...? And the teachers? They point the way. I can give some names if you want, but WHY? LM I would really not spend a lot of time with Oneness I mean it is up to you but unless one had at least some awakening he would never understand what it means without no concepts or direct knowing I am not knocking the guy down but this is beyond his eyes to see in this moment. I remember trying as much as I could explaining this to a similar person that was all caught up in the mind and it was just a waste of time. The ears and eyes it takes to grock this is simply not there so you just end up spending a lot of time spiting in the wind..but please if you feel the calling go for it.. peace Randji |
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Post by Peter on Jan 27, 2009 8:02:10 GMT -5
Randy, I'm not sure how you'll take this mirror, but as I see it you're displaying: 1) Emotional attachment to the idea that spiritual teachers have intrinsic (rather than merely subjective) value 2) A need to control the behaviour of others. Here's a couple of quotes that illustrate this: If you wish to be ok on my list all you need to do is stop the teacher bashing because in truth you realy know little of what you speak. LM I would really not spend a lot of time with Oneness I mean it is up to you but unless one had at least some awakening he would never understand what it means without no concepts or direct knowing Do you see what I see? People are where they are. All we can do is plant seeds without any idea of when they're going to sprout. Also, since this is a public board we've no idea to what lands the winds might scatter those seeds. Cheers, Peter |
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Post by Peter on Jan 27, 2009 8:07:02 GMT -5
Personally I have no feeling, intuition or otherwise of having been anything before this life. I think I might have been a dog. It would certainly explain why I find "Puff the Magic Dragon" so upsetting. From my understanding, one doesn't become a dog and then a person in a different lifetime. It would be more helpful if you said what does happen than what does not, Oneness. What is your understanding then? How does a dog's soul (assuming they have one, or are part of a group soul) develop? Cheers, Peter |
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Post by dwbh1953 on Jan 27, 2009 8:14:45 GMT -5
Randy, I'm not sure how you'll take this mirror, but as I see it you're displaying: 1) Emotional attachment to the idea that spiritual teachers have intrinsic (rather than merely subjective) value 2) A need to control the behaviour of others. Here's a couple of quotes that illustrate this: If you wish to be ok on my list all you need to do is stop the teacher bashing because in truth you realy know little of what you speak. LM I would really not spend a lot of time with Oneness I mean it is up to you but unless one had at least some awakening he would never understand what it means without no concepts or direct knowing Do you see what I see? People are where they are. All we can do is plant seeds without any idea of when they're going to sprout. Also, since this is a public board we've no idea to what lands the winds might scatter those seeds. Cheers, Peter Oh Peter your such a nice guy...All we can do is whatever we want to do. I was not being mean just very direct and telling the truth of things as they are and as I see it..as they are it is true to be ok on my list that does not take much to knock off the real imature attitude of guru bashing and as I see it Oneness is just not ready to digest what is being said here. I was not wipping the boy m8 and I am certainly not perfect and there is a place inside myself that just wants to puke when I hear the likes of what is it? Oh yes this superior soul level was that the 7th plane of awareness me forgets!LOL Have a happy day m8 Randji |
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Post by lightmystic on Jan 27, 2009 11:12:52 GMT -5
I don't focus on it, because it hasn't seemed relevant, but I happen to be very connected to the structure of the spirit realms (and by spirit realms, I mean the other 98% of existence that is not the physical universe). This, of course, includes soul groupings, planes of existences, teachers, purposes, etc. etc. It has little to do with waking up ultimately, but it's pretty fascinating and I personally enjoy that sort of thing very much. Anyway, if you have the interest let me know (or more make a thread about it) and I'd be more than happy to post whatever I know in response to whatever questions you might have... From my understanding, one doesn't become a dog and then a person in a different lifetime. It would be more helpful if you said what does happen than what does not, Oneness. What is your understanding then? How does a dog's soul (assuming they have one, or are part of a group soul) develop? Cheers, Peter |
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Post by dwbh1953 on Jan 27, 2009 11:40:55 GMT -5
I don't focus on it, because it hasn't seemed relevant, but I happen to be very connected to the structure of the spirit realms (and by spirit realms, I mean the other 98% of existence that is not the physical universe). This, of course, includes soul groupings, planes of existences, teachers, purposes, etc. etc. It has little to do with waking up ultimately, but it's pretty fascinating and I personally enjoy that sort of thing very much. Anyway, if you have the interest let me know (or more make a thread about it) and I'd be more than happy to post whatever I know in response to whatever questions you might have... ÇÇÇÇÇÇ Oh no we are loosing LM to the higher planes gods..please do not go!!lol Randji |
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Post by lightmystic on Jan 28, 2009 0:09:39 GMT -5
Actually, it's funny you should mention that, because, though my experience of that was always very clear, I took great pains to avoid getting involved, as I realized that that was a great trap. I wanted to know myself. I wanted something eternal, and I knew that anything in relative existence eventually changes, eventually dies, including everything in other spirit realms. I used to be very upset when people would focus on the other places, but at some point, after realization that it was all Awareness, I realized that any further rejection of that was not serving me anymore. It's ALL the infinite, and nothing is limited. It takes time to undo those safeguards.... I don't focus on it, because it hasn't seemed relevant, but I happen to be very connected to the structure of the spirit realms (and by spirit realms, I mean the other 98% of existence that is not the physical universe). This, of course, includes soul groupings, planes of existences, teachers, purposes, etc. etc. It has little to do with waking up ultimately, but it's pretty fascinating and I personally enjoy that sort of thing very much. Anyway, if you have the interest let me know (or more make a thread about it) and I'd be more than happy to post whatever I know in response to whatever questions you might have... ÇÇÇÇÇÇ Oh no we are loosing LM to the higher planes gods..please do not go!!lol Randji |
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Post by serenity on Jan 28, 2009 10:46:42 GMT -5
Hi,
I'm sorry to jump into this thread, but I just wanted to say to all contributors:-
"Thank You"
I have absolutely no idea who is right or wrong or if anyone is anywhere close to an approximation of the truth. I’m just a new bystander observing your discussion, who has totally enjoyed reading it all!
You will probably have gathered, this is my first post on this site. So please be gentle with me - I'm very much a beginner / novice / blank page (refer to me how you will).
To be honest, I dont know how I stumbled on this site. I just bounced from site to site. Ended up here, then I read this thread.
Knowing that the title of this web site is "Spiritualteachers.org" I had a mental image of the types of people that would join and contribute to such a site. Together with a preconceived notion that it would all be "Love and Light", "Peace - man", a sort of remnant of "60's Flower Power" and all that.
But WOOOWW!
What I didn’t expect was to see all the toys being thrown out of the pram!
(The bad-mouthing, bickering and back-stabbing).
What I had expected was:-
Guidance, Help, Assistance, Advice, Compassion, Pointers and Recommendations.
A willingness to listen.
A tolerance of opinions.
A place to grow.
Maybe I’ve stumbled onto the wrong site?
Thank you for reading,
Serenity
PS - Before I depart, I’ll check out the other threads - are they all like this ;-)
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Post by anonji on Jan 28, 2009 11:01:12 GMT -5
You are harboring a misconception. Even the enlightened masters had no patience with fools. It's better to speak the truth than attempt to apply a soothing balm to everything. Destruction often precedes growth and may be a necessary pre-condition.
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Post by dwbh1953 on Jan 28, 2009 11:17:08 GMT -5
Hi, I'm sorry to jump into this thread, but I just wanted to say to all contributors:- "Thank You" I have absolutely no idea who is right or wrong or if anyone is anywhere close to an approximation of the truth. I’m just a new bystander observing your discussion, who has totally enjoyed reading it all! You will probably have gathered, this is my first post on this site. So please be gentle with me - I'm very much a beginner / novice / blank page (refer to me how you will). To be honest, I dont know how I stumbled on this site. I just bounced from site to site. Ended up here, then I read this thread. Knowing that the title of this web site is "Spiritualteachers.org" I had a mental image of the types of people that would join and contribute to such a site. Together with a preconceived notion that it would all be "Love and Light", "Peace - man", a sort of remnant of "60's Flower Power" and all that. But WOOOWW! What I didn’t expect was to see all the toys being thrown out of the pram! (The bad-mouthing, bickering and back-stabbing). What I had expected was:- Guidance, Help, Assistance, Advice, Compassion, Pointers and Recommendations. A willingness to listen. A tolerance of opinions. A place to grow. Maybe I’ve stumbled onto the wrong site? Thank you for reading, Serenity PS - Before I depart, I’ll check out the other threads - are they all like this ;-) Hi Sernity All love and light with all those fuzzing warm feelings..? Being gentle with you lets get real here life is not that way, if you want truth then you need to be brave and strong enough to accept truth. If you just want love and light then just join a tree hugging club..I do have a question how old are you? When I was really long I had similar feelings but then meet the real world. The real world is not a Disneyland of soft stuff toys and Mickey Mouse. If you live long enough you will begin to grasp what spirituality is all about. The truth is it is hardcore and no one but the brave in spirit dare to seek the mystery called life. Real teachers,real gurus would chew up the love and light attitude and then spit it out. Life is what it is and only the brave will experience life for all that it is..life is warm, cold, tender, firm, happy, sad, cruel, pretty, ugly.mean. kind etc etc. None of this and all of this is who you really are so to know who you really are is to embrace unconditionally youself. And youself is full of anger,peace, violence,kindness, cruelness etc etc. So light and love are only 2 aspects there are many many more to you. Ok here is the key ready? Simply do not take what anyone says personally because in truth no one cares but once you take something personally you start to identify and then you start to label and the end result is you have only re enforced the sense of seperation. Seek only who you are..you are that which you seek..expressions are simply expressions why should you care so dont! Do not meditate-be! Do not think that you are-be! Do not think about being-you are! Thanks for visiting and next time you become surprised ask your self who is it that is surpised..you might be surpised lol Peace Randji |
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Post by lightmystic on Jan 28, 2009 11:51:25 GMT -5
Hi Serenity, Welcome to the forum! This thread has turned into somewhat of a hot button, but please don't let that deter you from joining. What is desired here is open inquiry into the truth. As long as there is openness, then more can be discovered. I would love to hear about your experience if you want to share it. You can post it in a new thread if you would like... There has been some degree of tearing people up, but it does not come out of nowhere. I personally, have little interest in that. And if unfair attacks are being made I will call people on it. I can also delete threads and ban people if it gets grossly inappropriate or out of hand. If you simply share what your experience is, then it's not a matter of "right or wrong", it's just what it is... perhaps we can both learn something to grow more towards truth. Sound good? You are quite welcome to stay if you would like... Hi, I'm sorry to jump into this thread, but I just wanted to say to all contributors:- "Thank You" I have absolutely no idea who is right or wrong or if anyone is anywhere close to an approximation of the truth. I’m just a new bystander observing your discussion, who has totally enjoyed reading it all! You will probably have gathered, this is my first post on this site. So please be gentle with me - I'm very much a beginner / novice / blank page (refer to me how you will). To be honest, I dont know how I stumbled on this site. I just bounced from site to site. Ended up here, then I read this thread. Knowing that the title of this web site is "Spiritualteachers.org" I had a mental image of the types of people that would join and contribute to such a site. Together with a preconceived notion that it would all be "Love and Light", "Peace - man", a sort of remnant of "60's Flower Power" and all that. But WOOOWW! What I didn’t expect was to see all the toys being thrown out of the pram! (The bad-mouthing, bickering and back-stabbing). What I had expected was:- Guidance, Help, Assistance, Advice, Compassion, Pointers and Recommendations. A willingness to listen. A tolerance of opinions. A place to grow. Maybe I’ve stumbled onto the wrong site? Thank you for reading, Serenity PS - Before I depart, I’ll check out the other threads - are they all like this ;-) |
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Post by Morrie on Jan 28, 2009 13:11:53 GMT -5
I would also like to welcome you Serenity, I think what you say is valid because I could think many people who stumble on to this site for the first time may be put off by the personal attacks. I also think it might be a good idea to have a separate forum for newcomers, where people new to the site could introduce themselves and ask questions without the fear of being negatively critiqued by the "regulars" on this board. The negativity is, I think, one of the reasons why the presence of 51% of the population (females) is often non existent on these boards. Regards, Morrie What I didn’t expect was to see all the toys being thrown out of the pram! (The bad-mouthing, bickering and back-stabbing). What I had expected was:- Guidance, Help, Assistance, Advice, Compassion, Pointers and Recommendations. A willingness to listen. A tolerance of opinions. A place to grow. |
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