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Post by lightmystic on Feb 3, 2009 10:41:10 GMT -5
Oneness hasn't replied to the posts that have been directed as responses (even the nice ones). When he gets involved in the responses already posted to his own thread, or there is some sort of question or somewhere to go with it, usually the threads get back on track. Technically we should start a new thread for this sort of conversation, but it's probably okay for now.... Hi Oneness, I’m not sure how or why its happened, but from making an observation on your thread, the topic you started appears to have been side-tracked and ignored. As I am to blame, I suggest steps are taken to remedy the situation, and that further comm’s are started on a new thread. So that the original discussion can get back on track. Staff / Moderators/Experienced members – Is this the etiquette in these situations? Best Serenity |
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Post by lightmystic on Feb 3, 2009 11:00:21 GMT -5
Hi Serenity, I have not dared to look, but I think the wheels are falling off my wagon. I’ve lost the plot.I don't know what that means, but here's to hoping that's a good thing... Well when you travel from a to b, the scenary may be different. But you haven’t changed (OK maybe your perception of the world might have done, but not you).
One can chase all the materialistic, monetary, physical goals one wants to. But the journey you are really wanting to make is internal.
So YES it can include physical – but you might as well dispense with it and cut to the chase.Oh! I see what you're saying. Yes, the internal world and external world are so connected that it merely takes changing the internal world to change the external world as well. And it's drastic. It affects the physical, but, as you implied, it comes from working on yourself, from taking responsibility for your physical world while recognizing that we are not in control, and do not need to be. All we need to do is be Aware, and the changes in the direction we want take care of themselves...I hope that makes sense.... I NEED you to have a word with my Bank.
When my balance gets to zero, purchasing physical items totally stops. No question no argument, no explanation. Maybe I can point my Bank in your direction and get you to tell them:- “but then there's more... That's one thing I can say definitively...”Actually, it's interesting, I've seen many accounts of people with no money getting what they desire through other means. They find it, find an easy way to make it, or (more often) someone buys it for them, makes it for them, gives it to them. It's amazing how lack of money doesn't end up limiting people. See, I usually think the way you do about this, so the fact that it doesn't have to work that way has been a real eye opener for me... And there is always more money to be had. Limiting yourself will also, in turn, limit your wealth, physical or otherwise.... We are always allowed enough for fulfillment, so to not have enough for fulfillment is only because there's a limitation there, an idea of separateness that is in the way from having literally everything all the time. It may not necessary look like everything all the time (although it often does) but if it's the same experience then it really doesn't matter. If you can be in total bliss/fulfillment eating an apple, then who really cares whether you theoretically could have had a 6 course meal instead... Actual experience? – I don’t have any – that’s why I’m here – to bathe in the light of superior knowledge. I respectfully disagree. You know that feeling that you get that draws you forward? That's it. THAT'S that experience. It may not be clear enough or constant enough to be fulfilling, but that's the experience that you're having on a quiet level. Accepting that can be very helpful, because it will get clearer if you put your attention on it. After all, how will you know if you've found what you're looking for? It must already be in you to some extent so you have something to compare it against. The experience is ALREADY there, what is most needed is the understanding. The undoing of all the old ideas that keep you from being free. PS Thanks for the pointer on “TIME” I think I get it – “feel into it”. It may take a bunch of “time” {groan!!} to unlearn the old ways though. But I'll keep you in the loop on progress.Please do. If you're need to get it is genuine, then there's nothing that can stop it from violently and joyfully completely taking over your life.  |
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Post by dwbh1953 on Feb 5, 2009 18:48:27 GMT -5
Hi Randji Woooow! Now we are getting somewhere. Or at least I believe I’m getting somewhere. Maybe I'm still in la-la land. My poor little grey cells are getting bombarded with good info, learning and new things to chew over. I really appreciate your post and help. Your words are resonating with me. Today is the first day since joining this school, that I’ve really thought that the painful transition out of nursery was worth it. Thanks again. Is it play-time now? Serenity Hi Serenity, Yes it was playtime I just got back where were you, I was by the swing set.. Cheers Randji |
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Post by serenity on Feb 6, 2009 5:06:23 GMT -5
Was flung off the Merry-Go-Round, collided with a wall, woke up with a bunch of white-coats hovering over me. Than had to stump up a pocket full of cash before they would let me out.
Now I find Play-time is over and its back to studies on "awareness of one".
Thank goodness its Friday!
Serenity
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Post by serenity on Feb 6, 2009 5:11:48 GMT -5
Hi LightMystic
I don't know what that means, but here's to hoping that's a good thing...
Basically, it means one is having a really bad time. Things that look as if they cant get any worse – actually do. I had been having a bad day, but now, on reflection. I think it WAS a good thing. The events that were presenting in my NOW – have been worth the effort of resolving them.
All we need to do is be Aware, and the changes in the direction we want take care of themselves...I hope that makes sense....
To Be Aware – does make sense, its just difficult to maintain the awareness and stop thoughts, ego and life (with their constant reminders of past and future) repeatedly vying for attention.
Limiting yourself will also, in turn, limit your wealth, physical or otherwise....
We are always allowed enough for fulfillment, so to not have enough for fulfillment is only because there's a limitation there, an idea of separateness that is in the way from having literally everything all the time. It may not necessary look like everything all the time (although it often does) but if it's the same experience then it really doesn't matter. If you can be in total bliss/fulfillment eating an apple, then who really cares whether you theoretically could have had a 6 course meal instead...
A case of live you life as if your dreams have come true, and watch the rest of the world catch up with your reality.
I like it!
The experience is ALREADY there, what is most needed is the understanding. The undoing of all the old ideas that keep you from being free.
This concept is making itself aware (from several sources including yourself) and I’m beginning to see the relevance. So I’m glad you disagreed – its stopped me straying further towards untruth.
Finally, with regard to Time: Some days, the actuality of “feeling into” is becoming easier. Other days it’s a bit of a battle – so I just let it go with out any forcing and frustration. I’m just progressing at the rate I can.
Best wishes
Serenity
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Post by lightmystic on Feb 6, 2009 12:02:51 GMT -5
Greetings Serenity, Thanks for your response. Basically, it means one is having a really bad time. Things that look as if they cant get any worse – actually do. I had been having a bad day, but now, on reflection. I think it WAS a good thing. The events that were presenting in my NOW – have been worth the effort of resolving them.Yes, being challenged is very useful. It does alot towards helping us integrate. Still, I am very sorry that you are having such a hard time... To Be Aware – does make sense, its just difficult to maintain the awareness and stop thoughts, ego and life (with their constant reminders of past and future) repeatedly vying for attention.Yes, you are going through a shift in the way you function. That happens over time, and it sounds like you are doing just the perfect thing in the perfect time in the perfect place for you at the moment... A case of live you life as if your dreams have come true, and watch the rest of the world catch up with your reality.
I like it!Thank you. I have strangely found it to always hold true in a practical sense... This concept is making itself aware (from several sources including yourself) and I’m beginning to see the relevance. So I’m glad you disagreed – its stopped me straying further towards untruth.I'm thrilled that you see that, because the way you're going, and armed with that understanding. There's no stopping you!
Finally, with regard to Time: Some days, the actuality of “feeling into” is becoming easier. Other days it’s a bit of a battle – so I just let it go with out any forcing and frustration. I’m just progressing at the rate I can.That's a great perspective. I was a lot more impatient and frustrated than you are, and while it may have served me in the end, I think your perspective is all-around better. |
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Post by dwbh1953 on Feb 6, 2009 12:32:18 GMT -5
Was flung off the Merry-Go-Round, collided with a wall, woke up with a bunch of white-coats hovering over me. Than had to stump up a pocket full of cash before they would let me out. Now I find Play-time is over and its back to studies on "awareness of one". Thank goodness its Friday! Serenity Ahhh your doing fine, all you ever need to do is just allow yourself with a quiet mind to see what is happening and allow it to be and when it seems too much like you are being overloaded just bring yourself back to the I AM. I AM all there is. Returning and returning to the I AM will bring you great peace among great chaos and sooner than later a breakthrough will happen and you will land in a place prior to I AM and that is what they call Self-Realization. I am that I Am Randji |
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Post by serenity on Feb 13, 2009 5:17:59 GMT -5
Just an update:-
I'm currently in a chicken and egg situation where the Dog is chasing its own tail (poor thing!).
I make, what feels like one or two tiny steps forward, then get pushed back.
I'm not particularly upset by this, just a little frustrated.
Since trying to raise my moment to moment awareness of Time and remain "in the moment" for longer periods, the number and severity of troublesome events has increased. Mainly at work, with a serious issue on Sunday that only just settled down yesterday. Just in time for a second calamity to happen.
Now that I'm just beginning to get back to normal work-wise and rest-of-life-wise, I can pick up my "awareness journey" again with the realization that all the good work prior, had been cast aside.
The lesson I think I'm being confronted with is to ALWAYS be present.
But when the brown stuff hits the fan - doing so is a mighty tall order (for me).
Once upon a time (NO - this is not the start of a fairy tale) this would have raised my blood-pressure and stress levels, causing me to shout and swear. But now, I just accept it, let it brush off in the wind, and carry on.
Best
Serenity
"This moment is all there is"
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Post by lightmystic on Feb 13, 2009 11:20:40 GMT -5
Hey that's awesome. I know exactly what you're talking about in terms of the "one step forward, two steps back" thing. What I discovered is that it's actually and important part of the process. (phew!) So don't worry. What I've found is that when you see a new "place" that you can be at - for you right now it's whatever being the moment feels like for you - then you are asked by Life to let go everything that's in the way of you being at that "place" all the time. Thus, all the old issues come out that have to do with the reason that you weren't able to already be there. Thus, being patient with them and allowing the feelings their say, letting them make their statement so they can relax, will allow all of the situations to resolve. It's totally amazing... Anyway, it sounds like you have a great perspective and are right on track. Your motivation is wonderful, and that's really all you need to get there. All I would say is: this stuff is really hard. It's the hardest thing anyone will ever be asked to do ever. So give yourself a break. You are doing quite well. Just an update:- I'm currently in a chicken and egg situation where the Dog is chasing its own tail (poor thing!). I make, what feels like one or two tiny steps forward, then get pushed back. I'm not particularly upset by this, just a little frustrated. Since trying to raise my moment to moment awareness of Time and remain "in the moment" for longer periods, the number and severity of troublesome events has increased. Mainly at work, with a serious issue on Sunday that only just settled down yesterday. Just in time for a second calamity to happen. Now that I'm just beginning to get back to normal work-wise and rest-of-life-wise, I can pick up my "awareness journey" again with the realization that all the good work prior, had been cast aside. The lesson I think I'm being confronted with is to ALWAYS be present. But when the brown stuff hits the fan - doing so is a mighty tall order (for me). Once upon a time (NO - this is not the start of a fairy tale) this would have raised my blood-pressure and stress levels, causing me to shout and swear. But now, I just accept it, let it brush off in the wind, and carry on. Best Serenity "This moment is all there is" |
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Post by serenity on Feb 20, 2009 3:47:54 GMT -5
Hi Lightmustic,
Many thanks for the reply and words of encouragement. Such things are a great help to me on my adventure (and I hope to others too).
Well, the end of the issues I was presented with from last week saw only a brief respite before a new set of issues arose. This time they were not based on the physical world, but on inter-work politics, human characteristics and mind-games. Again they were totally out of the blue, the like of which had never been seen before in my world.
At the same time as being a difficult challenge and a total pain in the a**e to sort out, I quickly adopted a detached view. This wasn’t deliberate – it just happened. I’m still not sure if it was ideal – but Hey! Who am I to judge.
Less that a year ago the situation would have seen me fly into a rage. But not this time, and I don’t think similar situations ever will again result in the anger levels of the past.
WHAT is happening here?
I’m still getting my head around it all, but I assume its all for the greater good.
Best
Serenity
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Post by lightmystic on Feb 21, 2009 13:38:52 GMT -5
Hey Serenity, Thanks for the update. Yeah, it's quite fascinating how there is no longer a "hook" in certain places that drags back into identification with limitedness. As you say, this is not a conscious thing, it's the result rather than the process. The proverbial pain in the butt, however, IS the process, as you seem to recognize. I, personally, find that either a.) this is the next thing or b.) this is, in fact, the same issue that has successfully started to come to a head by being perceived on a deeper level, which is the level that the confusion started on - a deep, passionate, emotional belief level. Either way, the fact that this stuff is coming up is a wonderful sign of quick progress. It's just giving yourself a break and allowing it to unwind, which is way easier said than done of course. But you're doing it. You are in process . Which is wonderful, and kind of rare for some reason... Anyway, keep us updated! Hi Lightmustic, Many thanks for the reply and words of encouragement. Such things are a great help to me on my adventure (and I hope to others too). Well, the end of the issues I was presented with from last week saw only a brief respite before a new set of issues arose. This time they were not based on the physical world, but on inter-work politics, human characteristics and mind-games. Again they were totally out of the blue, the like of which had never been seen before in my world. At the same time as being a difficult challenge and a total pain in the a**e to sort out, I quickly adopted a detached view. This wasn’t deliberate – it just happened. I’m still not sure if it was ideal – but Hey! Who am I to judge. Less that a year ago the situation would have seen me fly into a rage. But not this time, and I don’t think similar situations ever will again result in the anger levels of the past. WHAT is happening here? I’m still getting my head around it all, but I assume its all for the greater good. Best Serenity |
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Post by serenity on Mar 6, 2009 8:44:07 GMT -5
Hi Lightmystic (and all),
Things that are “out of the normal” continue to come my way.
Of course it could be that they always were coming my way, and its just that now I’m taking more notice. I’m sure I’m not the only one who has had the feeling that live was being lived behind a misty window, from time to time.
Over the past couple of weeks there haven’t been the major issues of the few weeks previously. Its just been a CONSTANT stream of events / changes / issues / problems. Some very minor ones, some not so.
Whilst “in the flow” so to speak, I’m attaching much less importance to them. They come, I deal with them {or sblack person ;-) } and forget them.
Occasionally I believe “There is nothing I cant deal with”, Then something different hits, and I think “Hmm!” well maybe this is the one I cant cope with! But, inevitably it is dealt with.
One strange thing that I’ve picked up on is that the more I try to reverse into the now, the faster the phenomenon called time appears to go past.
Until my understanding of these things grows, Ill assume this is normal. I just had the expectation that becoming more aware of the now, would give the impression of Time slowing down!
Ohhh Hummm. Back to the tread-mill
Best Serenity
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Post by Peter on Mar 6, 2009 10:41:36 GMT -5
Hi Serenity
What does "reverse into the now" mean, and how do you go about it?
I remember when I was 7 or 8 my parents would drive me to piano lessons - which I hated. I used to sit in the back of the seat feeling every inch of my body against the material trying to be ware of as much as possible so that time would slow down against the (inevitable) arrival at my piano teacher's house.
So is "reversing into the now" more about getting in touch with your body or your mind or your emotional state, your environment or some combination of those 4? I've had a couple of teachers who were of the opinion that we're so over-identified with the mind here in the West, that it's desirable to leave it out altogether, and just practice 'being in the body' as a way of practicing mindfullness. Sounds counter intuitive doesn't it.
I went through something of a Spiritual Crisis a couple of years ago and came out with the feeling that 'God' (or whatever arranges these trials and tribulations) never asks you to handle more than you can cope with. I don't know if that's actually true or not, but it gave me some confidence at the time. Also: "just breathe" (a voice in my head told me that).
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Post by lightmystic on Mar 6, 2009 10:56:07 GMT -5
Hey Serenity, Sounds like your desire to move forward is taking effect. Life says "oh, here's everything you've been resisting in order to be where you want." It seems that it has to work that way, because without resistance expansion happens naturally, like gravity. Interesting time experience. Because who you are is beyond all space/time, the realization comes that everything is available now, and the changes in relationship to time that you are describing sounds like the beginning of that. The interesting this about issues is that life always will hit you in a weak point, because it wouldn't even be noticed that it was being hit if it wasn't weak. The things that are in the way of growth are the things that are "weak", things that we feel we need to protect and keep separate. But I've noticed that the process of seeing weak points exposed gets more quick and fluid over time. This makes them a lot easier to go through. Part of that is the ability to catch these issues earlier, before they have to manifest physically to get your attention. The feeling is the same, but the overall process doesn't have to be so drawn out, and the amount of resistance in general goes way down too, which is very nice. That way, there's not so much for us to get "caught" on when resolving these issues, and it's that getting caught (like thorns through a person) that hurts so much... Anyway, keep up the good stuff, and keep us updated. It's nice to hear how you're doing... Best Regards, LM Hi Lightmystic (and all), Things that are “out of the normal” continue to come my way. Of course it could be that they always were coming my way, and its just that now I’m taking more notice. I’m sure I’m not the only one who has had the feeling that live was being lived behind a misty window, from time to time. Over the past couple of weeks there haven’t been the major issues of the few weeks previously. Its just been a CONSTANT stream of events / changes / issues / problems. Some very minor ones, some not so. Whilst “in the flow” so to speak, I’m attaching much less importance to them. They come, I deal with them {or sblack person ;-) } and forget them. Occasionally I believe “There is nothing I cant deal with”, Then something different hits, and I think “Hmm!” well maybe this is the one I cant cope with! But, inevitably it is dealt with. One strange thing that I’ve picked up on is that the more I try to reverse into the now, the faster the phenomenon called time appears to go past. Until my understanding of these things grows, Ill assume this is normal. I just had the expectation that becoming more aware of the now, would give the impression of Time slowing down! Ohhh Hummm. Back to the tread-mill Best Serenity |
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Post by serenity on Mar 6, 2009 10:56:37 GMT -5
Hi Peter
Good to hear from you.
What does "reverse into the now" mean, and how do you go about it?
To me it means moving away from “False”, because I don’t believe “Truth” is something you can head towards. The closest thing I experience as Truth at the moment, is “now”. Hence, the tern “reverse”, where I’m implying moving away from false.
Twisted Logic maybe? But that’s my twisted mind that I merrily endure each day.
through something of a Spiritual Crisis
I was hoping to stay clear of the term “Crisis”. Does it sound like I’m in the middle of one?
Also: "just breathe" (a voice in my head told me that).
Phhweeew! I though I was going to have to hold my breath all my life.
I agree “just breathe” - it helps with living.
Best
Serenity
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Hi Oneness,
