My thoughts and opinions

[Peter]

Hi Serenity, welcome to the board.

Jan 28, 2009 10:46:42 GMT -5 serenity said:

What I didn’t expect was to see all the toys being thrown out of the pram!
(The bad-mouthing, bickering and back-stabbing).

What I had expected was:-
Guidance, Help, Assistance, Advice, Compassion, Pointers and Recommendations.
A willingness to listen.
A tolerance of opinions.
A place to grow.

I would hope this board would feature those things too, but we're dealing with the Ego here and it's often at it's most unhelpful when it's pretending it doesn't exist.

It's funny that belief - where nothing can be proven objectively - causes more conflict in the world than facts which can be proven. I'm sure we'll all have a good laugh about it on the 'other side'.

I had a HR manager who gave the stages of team building as: Forming, Norming, Storming and Performing. I think we may be seeing a Storming stage here in this thread.

Anyhoo, must dash, I have another toy to throw.

[Peter]

Jan 27, 2009 8:14:45 GMT -5 dwbh1953 said:

I was not being mean just very direct and telling the truth of things as they are and as I see it

I agree there's a place for direct truth telling, or as a since-departed contributor to this forum would have called it: "robustness". This can often be mistaken for "being mean". And when it's delivered with consideration for the recipient and helpful intentions, then it can be a really positive thing.

You can never tell the truth "as it is". You can only ever give it "as you believe it" to be. Wouldn't you agree?

More to say on your robust use of the word "moron", but I've recently been (re)taught the importance of sticking to the point.

It wasn't any perceived "meanness" that I was reflecting back to you, it was issues of attachment and control. Now the question is: Did you recognise any aspect of yourself in that mirror or not?

Cheers,
Peter

[serenity]

Hi anonji,

* Consider my “misconception” well and truly resolved. – I am beginning to understand the diverse nature of the members of this site.
* Consider me “a fool” who knows he is one, and is taking his first step out of his foolish mire.
* Consider me well and truly “Deconstructed”. Let the “growth” begin.

What I am still unclear about is this:- “Is this a site that will enable and allow me to grow”?

;-)



Hi Randji

Not ALL of us hate that warm fuzzy feeling.

The message, your reply is saying to me is:-
“This is a BIG mans Club. Its very exclusive. Small boys need not apply. The world and Life is a dangerous scary place. Only Real Men survive. Whimps and Wannabe’s need to grow up or go away.”
- How close to your truth am I?

“Tree Hugging Club” – I’m really not sure about that one. But HEY! I’ll try anything at least once!!!
Age – Lets have a contest. From the info I have provided so far – a question to all - “How old am I?”
A prize to all those who get it spot on.

I’m hearing from you that “Life is NOT Disneyland” So I assume it’s the opposite, but I’m struggling to figure out what the opposite of Disneyland is.

I’m hearing from you that “Truth is a dark and difficult ominous place” So I assume I’ve landed on the wrong planet.

I’m hearing from you that “Real Guru’s and real Teachers – chew up ‘Love and Light’.” So I assume you can point me directly at the Guru’s and Teachers who will put me straight and onto the right path.

Be assured I’m not taking what anyone says personally. I can see you and me are going to get on like a house on fire.

;-)


Hi lightmystic

Thank you for the welcome. I’m hoping my time here will be of two-way benefit.
I’m assuming my stumbling onto this site is part of a deliberate plan and the first thread I found to read – is the prod in the direction I need to go, at this point in time.
More on me as and when.

Meanwhile, let the growth begin – I’m all ears. (Well actually only two – but who’s counting!)

;-)



Hi Morrie

Thank you for the welcome. Personal attacks really were the last thing I expected to see. But, as I say “I know nothing” and am learning fast. I’m sure those involved enjoyed it.

You have got me curious now. My assumption was that the Male/Female split would have been at least 2-1 in favour of Females. (Its another thing I’ve learnt already). I wonder how the numbers are split between continents. Anyone know?
Also very surprised to see just 68 members. Being told there were 6,800 members would not have surprised me. Maybe everyone else has found their “Goal” already, and we 68 are the last to find the path. (Don’t forget, could the last one to leave, please turn off the light!)

I just know I’m going to enjoy my time here (whether its positive, negative or something else!)
;-)


Hi Peter,

I hadn’t dared mention the dreaded word “Ego” in my first post, basically for fear of being struck off the membership list before I have finished writing my post.
So I’m glad it can be mentioned without dire consequences.

My understanding of the order of team building stages are:-
1) Forming
2) Storming
3) Norming
4) Performing
But you are right. This thread is looking distinctly like the STORMING stage. I guess this site will have done its job when it gets to “adjourning” – stage 5.

I’m loading my pram to the gunnels with toys of all shapes and sizes! Tin hat and gas mask are close at hand. I can feel a shed load of shrapnel coming my way over the next few months!

Good to hear from you.

Serenity

[anonji]

Ha! Well, dive in Serenity. This is a words-only place so any injuries incurred are really self-inflicted. Sometimes reactions are the most telling thing and offer the most insight. Should be interesting times for all.

[dwbh1953]

Jan 29, 2009 8:39:30 GMT -5 serenity said:

Hi Randji

Not ALL of us hate that warm fuzzy feeling.


Serenity you need a lot of growing up as you are like my small child that assumes everything , this is the state of just being immature.
Example at hand I never used the word Hate but yet you assumed so hence your sentence above. I really see you more like a troll and not a real seeker. Trolls tend to post exactly like you post only looking for reactions. They care not at all for the subject matter, they are at home with a message board that is of auto meachnics as well as spirituality.

So my longtime motto has and is Do not feed the trolls..
Speaking only for myself go troll somewhere else you will not catch much here. You are a troll and you know it..Trolls posts are your posts they always start off with something nice as you did but then very quickly turn the tables all you are seeking are reactions..you poor little thing is your life so shallow that this is all there is?

As far as making out of a burning house my house was never on fire but like a 2 bit horror story you got caught inside a long time ago..

Now if anything I said is not correct then it is not correct but I know a troll whenI see one and you smell like one. talk like one and act like one..quack quack!
Have fun fishing
Randji
the guy that hates warm loving fuzzing feelings LOL

[lightmystic]

Serenity,

* Consider my “misconception” well and truly resolved. – I am beginning to understand the diverse nature of the members of this site.
* Consider me “a fool” who knows he is one, and is taking his first step out of his foolish mire.
* Consider me well and truly “Deconstructed”. Let the “growth” begin.

My natural response to this is a desire to give you some sort of award for being awesome.


What I am still unclear about is this:- “Is this a site that will enable and allow me to grow”?

;-)

yes.


Not ALL of us hate that warm fuzzy feeling.

The message, your reply is saying to me is:-
“This is a BIG mans Club. Its very exclusive. Small boys need not apply. The world and Life is a dangerous scary place. Only Real Men survive. Whimps and Wannabe’s need to grow up or go away.”
- How close to your truth am I?

“Tree Hugging Club” – I’m really not sure about that one. But HEY! I’ll try anything at least once!!!
Age – Lets have a contest. From the info I have provided so far – a question to all - “How old am I?”
A prize to all those who get it spot on.

I’m hearing from you that “Life is NOT Disneyland” So I assume it’s the opposite, but I’m struggling to figure out what the opposite of Disneyland is.

I’m hearing from you that “Truth is a dark and difficult ominous place” So I assume I’ve landed on the wrong planet.

I’m hearing from you that “Real Guru’s and real Teachers – chew up ‘Love and Light’.” So I assume you can point me directly at the Guru’s and Teachers who will put me straight and onto the right path.
Be assured I’m not taking what anyone says personally. I can see you and me are going to get on like a house on fire.

Again, prize for being awesome.


Thank you for the welcome. I’m hoping my time here will be of two-way benefit.
I’m assuming my stumbling onto this site is part of a deliberate plan and the first thread I found to read – is the prod in the direction I need to go, at this point in time.

But of course.

Meanwhile, let the growth begin – I’m all ears. (Well actually only two – but who’s counting!)

What? You think I have something specific to teach you? What do you want to know or talk about? If you want, pick out a question or make a point we can poke it. Or you can look through any of my old posts and poke me. We'll get some more truth out of it.

Also very surprised to see just 68 members. Being told there were 6,800 members would not have surprised me.

This is a very new forum, and tends to focus on spiritual teachers and the Awakening process. When it comes to actually doing that, not many people have the interest. The focus is on self realization and not as much on self development. That is why it's so small. It's also why some serious issues start to come out in people, although, with the exception of one guy who was banned, this was the most direct attack that there has ever been on the forum. This is not the typical thing as much... I find that with all forums that focus on advaita and actually getting Enlightened tend to bring up people's issues. I see that as a positive thing, as long as people are really getting over them.

Maybe everyone else has found their “Goal” already, and we 68 are the last to find the path. (Don’t forget, could the last one to leave, please turn off the light!)

Who says people wouldn't want to come here and explore if they've found their goal already? Do you think that a goal means an end to issues? Do you think it means that people turn into bliss automatons? What DO you think? And what is your experience?


I just know I’m going to enjoy my time here (whether its positive, negative or something else!)

Okay. Sounds good.

I hadn’t dared mention the dreaded word “Ego” in my first post, basically for fear of being struck off the membership list before I have finished writing my post.
So I’m glad it can be mentioned without dire consequences.

Pretty much anything can be mentioned here without dire consequences. Haven't you noticed? Again, the focus is on waking up though...

My understanding of the order of team building stages are:-
1) Forming
2) Storming
3) Norming
4) Performing
But you are right. This thread is looking distinctly like the STORMING stage. I guess this site will have done its job when it gets to “adjourning” – stage 5.

So the website will be over when everyone's happy? Perhaps others will come. Perhaps not. Is "adjourning" ideal?

I’m loading my pram to the gunnels with toys of all shapes and sizes! Tin hat and gas mask are close at hand. I can feel a shed load of shrapnel coming my way over the next few months!

I think you are in for a bit of a let down. It's not that much of a battle zone usually...But we can have some poo flinging if you want...

[dwbh1953]

Jan 29, 2009 11:08:24 GMT -5 lightmystic said:

Serenity,

I think you are in for a bit of a let down. It's not that much of a battle zone usually...But we can have some poo flinging if you want...

LM this person is a troll, what did I tell you about feeding the trolls LOL
Is that not Pooh flinging somewhat akin to drawf throwing!

Seriously LM good thing your here to keep the waves down..

Ok now back to nothing
cheers
Randji

[serenity]

Hi Randji

What can I say – you’ve identified me down to a T.
I bow down to your superior knowledge. I’m a Troll, immature, not worthy of a voice on this Forum.

Now – what about the Q’s I asked?

Are you willing to put me onto the right path, or do members of this forum who start from an honest place far beneath you, with humble requests, just get this kind of response and knee-jerk brush off?

In anticipation – thank you

Serenity
;-)

[serenity]

Hi lightmystic

“I think you are in for a bit of a let down. It's not that much of a battle zone usually...But we can have some poo flinging if you want...”


Feels like there is a fair bit of the brown matter flying my way at the moment.

Don’t worry folks – I’m here for the long-haul. My Pram is well stocked. My Tin helmet and gas mask are coping with the onslaught.

:-)

Serenity

[dwbh1953]

Jan 29, 2009 11:32:57 GMT -5 serenity said:

Hi Randji

What can I say – you’ve identified me down to a T.
I bow down to your superior knowledge. I’m a Troll, immature, not worthy of a voice on this Forum.

Now – what about the Q’s I asked?

Are you willing to put me onto the right path, or do members of this forum who start from an honest place far beneath you, with humble requests, just get this kind of response and knee-jerk brush off?

In anticipation – thank you

Serenity
;-)

Sorry no food for the trolls but you get a good grade admitting who you really are plus a clever move to disguise yourself..but no food here. If you here for more than a week I may change my opinion as trolls normally do not stick around long. So during this week if you are serious I will give you a little homework ..Please write at least 1000 times..Who is a troll..who is a troll..who is a troll..

Se ya next week maybe, now I need to go back to my ivory tower where only real men can sit in judgment of other lower lifeforms..lol
Om shanti, shanti shanti
Peace
Randji

[lightmystic]

Why don't you respond to my questions?

Jan 29, 2009 11:37:42 GMT -5 serenity said:

Hi lightmystic

“I think you are in for a bit of a let down. It's not that much of a battle zone usually...But we can have some poo flinging if you want...”


Feels like there is a fair bit of the brown matter flying my way at the moment.

Don’t worry folks – I’m here for the long-haul. My Pram is well stocked. My Tin helmet and gas mask are coping with the onslaught.

:-)

Serenity

[serenity]

Sorry lightmystic,

I've been busy washing the brown stuff off of myself.
Let me get dried off, then I can scroll back through the posts and pick up the Q's.

My PC screen appears to be covered in pooo too!
Serenity
:-)
PS Randji - Home works is on its way

[serenity]

Hi Lightmystic,

I’ve scanned back and tried to pick out all your Q’s. Apologies if I’ve missed any.


QUOTE:
If you simply share what your experience is, then it's not a matter of "right or wrong", it's just what it is... perhaps we can both learn something to grow more towards truth. Sound good?
END QUOTE:

This sounds a good plan. I’m starting with a blank sheet. I have no experience of this area, which is probably why I have ended up here.


QUOTE:
What? You think I have something specific to teach you? What do you want to know or talk about? If you want, pick out a question or make a point we can poke it. Or you can look through any of my old posts and poke me. We'll get some more truth out of it.
END QUOTE

I have no idea where my next teaching will come from.
Maybe its you – maybe its someone else from this forum, maybe its someone from outside of this forum, maybe they are sitting next to me right now, maybe its me. I don’t think it matters who it is, it’s the opportunity, openeness and willingness that is important to me.
So this is possibly as good a place to be right now as anywhere. I’m not here to POKE anyone, despite what some others appear to want to make out.
The question that has just struck me is - How does anyone learn?

QUOTE:
Who says people wouldn't want to come here and explore if they've found their goal already? Do you think that a goal means an end to issues? Do you think it means that people turn into bliss automatons? What DO you think? And what is your experience?
END QUOTE

If everyone has “found their goal” or “gone” or however they refer to it, I believe they would not need or want to come back. A move onwards and upwards.
Yes – and an end to “these issues” of spirituality. That’s not to say there wont be a barrow full new ones at the next stage. None of us really know whats next – but we will all find out in time. Meanwhile there are plenty of guessing games going on.


QUOTE:
So the website will be over when everyone's happy? Perhaps others will come. Perhaps not. Is "adjourning" ideal?
END QUOTE

Bruce Truckman thought so. Its been a methodology in use for over 40 years with varying degrees of success. By the way “adjourning” has also been referred to as the “Mourning Stage”, so it may not be ideal, but its realistic in this life.

QUOTE
I think you are in for a bit of a let down. It's not that much of a battle zone usually...But we can have some poo flinging if you want...
END QUOTE

My initial impression of this forum is that there are a minority who offer destructive criticism rather than constructive criticism. I’m looking for the latter, and am happy to deflect the former.

Best wishes
Serenity

[dwbh1953]

Jan 29, 2009 12:12:41 GMT -5 serenity said:

PS Randji - Home works is on its way

Wow thank you!
Well to my surprise you did you homework. I have a question did you really type all that or use something else!
Serenity if you are really here to learn and to share then you are more than welcome. My first suggestion would be not to judge. What you see as negative criticism may be something very different. You have landed in a strange foreignen country where the culture and ways of living are very different than what you are accustom to. It is best just to observe for a while. Spirituality, truth or whatever you wish to call it is not a linear thing. It is not like OK now I got it and I move on. You may move on or not the truth is you never know. One of the first of many truths to accept and realize is there is no such thing as Time. Time is a illusion made up by the mind. Since there is no time there is no past or future only the Now, the present moment exists. That is enough for today, try going through your day now with the new idea that time is not real.
Peace
Randji

[serenity]

Randji
I hope you dont despair at me - but on reading your reply - I'm getting that "warm fuzzy feeling"
again.

All together now - Ahhhhhhhhhh!

Sincere thanks

Serenity