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Post by enigma on May 3, 2013 12:17:53 GMT -5
That's the picture I saw you painting with your 'heart bursting' question. It doesn't matter how he responded, you were gonna keep painting your picture.  NOT true. I was genuinely rootin' for a little sharing of emotion from Big blue Hole. But you pretty much knew that wasn't gonna happen, right? |
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Post by enigma on May 3, 2013 12:31:22 GMT -5
That's the picture I saw you painting with your 'heart bursting' question. It doesn't matter how he responded, you were gonna keep painting your picture. Dear Dude/Dudette, Yeah, 'heart bursting' and 'unique bonds growing stronger' sounds mucho invested. Probably just the tip of a conceptual iceberg. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize We could say she was 'testing' to see if you would get all sentimental and such, but of course she knows better than that. She's one of those artists that already has the completed painting in her head before she begins. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 12:36:06 GMT -5
cosmopolitan = familiar with and at ease in many different countries and cultures, a person who has lived in and knows about many different parts of the world thanks for the clarification. I don't get how being legally married would play into being well travelled...but I'll take your word for it. You've never felt bonded in a beautiful way with another?..your child or wife perhaps?  If it's not something you've experienced yourself, I guess I might see how it could be regarded as a giraffe party. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 12:39:02 GMT -5
NOT true. I was genuinely rootin' for a little sharing of emotion from Big blue Hole. But you pretty much knew that wasn't gonna happen, right? I actually didn't. He's been openin' up a little lately and I thought maybe I'd catch him on roll. I honestly thought he was just holding back on expressing and sharing his emotional side, all this time. It seems though that perhaps it's maybe just not there. I dunno..... He keeps his cards pretty close to his vest.  ..but, I've met a few in my life where that was actually the case, so it is possible. |
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Post by enigma on May 3, 2013 12:40:31 GMT -5
It's an interesting subject and believe me, in the course of all this, that question of 'buying in' or not has been looked at deeply. What I've come to is this; There's a point where there is far more resistance in a refusal to acknowledge what is appearing than to simply acknowledge that yes, something is presently awry with the body. It's like a guy who loses his hair who initially refuses to 'buy into' the idea of male pattern baldness. At what point does he just acknowledge that he no longer has any hair on head and is in fact "bald"? Yeah..well, that's how it's been. It's more of an observation on my part than a future prognosis I'm tied into though. There's been a real letting go in terms of giving much thought to the future. <speculation> How it happened is irrelevant because decline is only a question of resistance (i.e. focus). However, when your focus goes elsewhere, the things you've focused on before and now lack your focus tend to shift into the background and slowly disappear. A-H used to talk about it by taking abandoned houses as an example. As long as someone lives there it seems to stay intact even if nothing gets repaired but when it is abandoned and no one focuses on it anymore it starts to fall apart. Focus is holding things in shape. Same with the body. A-H explained Jerry's case that way. He felt he has had a rich life and was now kinda 'done' from broader perspective (not the personal/ego perspective) and the focus went elsewhere and his body started to decline. From his personal perspective it looked like something gone horribly wrong since he was planning to live until 140 and croak with Esther together. That's why I asked about your brother. His 'non-departure' seemed to have intensified your focus on 'the other side' so there was less focus on 'this side' to keep things in shape since that event. </speculation> Yup. Have pondered something similar myself. I will also add; Most of us come to regard physical decline as an obvious negative. I'd be hard pressed these days to even muster up a strong sense of 'wanting' anything to be different than it is....I would have heard someone say such a thing in the past and thought they were crazy...or outright lying, in deep denial. But, These circumstances have facilitated a letting go that has provided experiential understanding of a deeper kind of freedom. ..Can't say enough about "the gift" of experiencing something that at one point I would have found intolerable, to now find it not merely 'tolerable' but actually worthy of embracing. It really flips the lid on the whole good vs. bad things that happen to us. Dear Dude/Dudette, I remember Abe saying that aging is natural, decline not. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize I'm down wit dat. Marie was saying yesterday that all dysfunction is about constriction. Falling into thoughts is a constriction of attention, and disease can be seen as constriction of body energy. Hencely, the best response is always toward relaxing and non-resistance. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 12:43:29 GMT -5
That's the picture I saw you painting with your 'heart bursting' question. It doesn't matter how he responded, you were gonna keep painting your picture. Dear Dude/Dudette, Yeah, 'heart bursting' and 'unique bonds growing stronger' sounds mucho invested. Probably just the tip of a conceptual iceberg. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize Of course, Attempts to describe these types of experience is difficult with words. In the moment of the actual experience, there is no conceptualizing present. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 12:45:01 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, I remember Abe saying that aging is natural, decline not. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize I thought one of those dudes croaked? Mr. Hicks. Isn't that a measure of some decline? Seems to me death is about as natural as you can get. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 12:45:59 GMT -5
It's an interesting subject and believe me, in the course of all this, that question of 'buying in' or not has been looked at deeply. What I've come to is this; There's a point where there is far more resistance in a refusal to acknowledge what is appearing than to simply acknowledge that yes, something is presently awry with the body. It's like a guy who loses his hair who initially refuses to 'buy into' the idea of male pattern baldness. At what point does he just acknowledge that he no longer has any hair on head and is in fact "bald"? Yeah..well, that's how it's been. It's more of an observation on my part than a future prognosis I'm tied into though. There's been a real letting go in terms of giving much thought to the future. <speculation> How it happened is irrelevant because decline is only a question of resistance (i.e. focus). However, when your focus goes elsewhere, the things you've focused on before and now lack your focus tend to shift into the background and slowly disappear. A-H used to talk about it by taking abandoned houses as an example. As long as someone lives there it seems to stay intact even if nothing gets repaired but when it is abandoned and no one focuses on it anymore it starts to fall apart. Focus is holding things in shape. Same with the body. A-H explained Jerry's case that way. He felt he has had a rich life and was now kinda 'done' from broader perspective (not the personal/ego perspective) and the focus went elsewhere and his body started to decline. From his personal perspective it looked like something gone horribly wrong since he was planning to live until 140 and croak with Esther together. That's why I asked about your brother. His 'non-departure' seemed to have intensified your focus on 'the other side' so there was less focus on 'this side' to keep things in shape since that event. </speculation> Yup. Have pondered something similar myself. I will also add; Most of us come to regard physical decline as an obvious negative. I'd be hard pressed these days to even muster up a strong sense of 'wanting' anything to be different than it is....I would have heard someone say such a thing in the past and thought they were crazy...or outright lying, in deep denial. But, These circumstances have facilitated a letting go that has provided experiential understanding of a deeper kind of freedom. ..Can't say enough about "the gift" of experiencing something that at one point I would have found intolerable, to now find it not merely 'tolerable' but actually worthy of embracing. It really flips the lid on the whole good vs. bad things that happen to us. Dear Dude/Dudette, I remember Abe saying that aging is natural, decline not. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize Yes, they do say that. |
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Post by enigma on May 3, 2013 12:47:00 GMT -5
But you pretty much knew that wasn't gonna happen, right? I actually didn't. He's been openin' up a little lately and I thought maybe I'd catch him on roll. I honestly thought he was just holding back on expressing and sharing his emotional side, all this time. It seems though that perhaps it's maybe just not there. I dunno..... He keeps his cards pretty close to his vest. ..but, I've met a few in my life where that was actually the case, so it is possible. Yes, that's what the painting is all about, and you didn't need him to complete your painting. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 12:53:45 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, I remember Abe saying that aging is natural, decline not. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize I thought one of those dudes croaked? Mr. Hicks. Isn't that a measure of some decline? Seems to me death is about as natural as you can get. Yeah..they acknowledge that death is natural but decline or suffering prior to, need not occur. But even then, there is no 'vilification' of decline or illness. They also say humans generally make far too much out of all of this...decline, death, life...... Take it way too seriously. Now THAT part I really resonate with.  |
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Post by enigma on May 3, 2013 12:58:38 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, I remember Abe saying that aging is natural, decline not. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize I thought one of those dudes croaked? Mr. Hicks. Isn't that a measure of some decline? Seems to me death is about as natural as you can get. I'm sure what is meant by 'decline' is various illnesses and dysfunction, which is not an inevitable part of aging. Obviously, death is not what is meant by decline. It would be hard to argue that death is unnatural. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 12:58:59 GMT -5
I actually didn't. He's been openin' up a little lately and I thought maybe I'd catch him on roll. I honestly thought he was just holding back on expressing and sharing his emotional side, all this time. It seems though that perhaps it's maybe just not there. I dunno..... He keeps his cards pretty close to his vest. ..but, I've met a few in my life where that was actually the case, so it is possible. Yes, that's what the painting is all about, and you didn't need him to complete your painting. I dont' get that E. There's a genuine curiosity here.....I don't know with certainty whether Reefs is holding back or whether he really is lacking in feeling/emotion. That's why I'm asking him questions...to try to find out. You started out by saying to me: "That's the picture I saw you painting with your 'heart bursting' question. It doesn't matter how he responded, you were gonna keep painting your picture." Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/2762/teachings-vernon-howard?page=8#ixzz2SFp6kyaII keep telling you that that's not so. I'm open to Reefs showing me something completely different...but it's YOU here, who won't let go of your picture that paints me as one who comes to a conversation with an already full cup. I guess we could say that the pic you have painted of me here, is pretty much 'complete' as you cannot even entertain the possibility that I may be coming from a different place than you say, even though I'm outright telling you so? |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 13:06:48 GMT -5
I thought one of those dudes croaked? Mr. Hicks. Isn't that a measure of some decline? Seems to me death is about as natural as you can get. I'm sure what is meant by 'decline' is various illnesses and dysfunction, which is not an inevitable part of aging. Obviously, death is not what is meant by decline. It would be hard to argue that death is unnatural. Decline will happen unless you get hit by a truck first or somesuch. The angle of decline may vary. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 13:44:36 GMT -5
I'm sure what is meant by 'decline' is various illnesses and dysfunction, which is not an inevitable part of aging. Obviously, death is not what is meant by decline. It would be hard to argue that death is unnatural. Decline will happen unless you get hit by a truck first or somesuch. The angle of decline may vary.Yes, that has been my observation as well. |
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Post by silence on May 3, 2013 14:39:31 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, I remember Abe saying that aging is natural, decline not. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize I'm down wit dat. Marie was saying yesterday that all dysfunction is about constriction. Falling into thoughts is a constriction of attention, and disease can be seen as constriction of body energy. Hencely, the best response is always toward relaxing and non-resistance. Yes, that's the best response but it also doesn't negate the fact that bodies do decline in a whole slew of ways as they get older. |
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..but, I've met a few in my life where that was actually the case, so it is possible. 
