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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 14:49:08 GMT -5
I'm down wit dat. Marie was saying yesterday that all dysfunction is about constriction. Falling into thoughts is a constriction of attention, and disease can be seen as constriction of body energy. Hencely, the best response is always toward relaxing and non-resistance. Yes, that's the best response but it also doesn't negate the fact that bodies do decline in a whole slew of ways as they get older. And what a blessing it is to the knower of that decline. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 17:38:01 GMT -5
NOT true. I was genuinely rootin' for a little sharing of emotion from Big blue Hole. Dear Dude/Dudette, There's not much to say, really. Simply because there isn't actually an 'approach' (i.e. conceptual guideline) to relationships at work. The words you used sound very romantic and touchy feely and new agey. You seem to entertain very complex concepts about relationships, especially 'parent' - 'child' relationships. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize So, the spontaneous arising of emotion, requires "an approach"? I don't get that. My relationship with my kids is about as unfettered as it gets. Interesting how you equate love/appreciation with such things as 'having an approach' and 'entertaining very complex concepts.' |
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Post by topology on May 3, 2013 18:16:03 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, There's not much to say, really. Simply because there isn't actually an 'approach' (i.e. conceptual guideline) to relationships at work. The words you used sound very romantic and touchy feely and new agey. You seem to entertain very complex concepts about relationships, especially 'parent' - 'child' relationships. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize So, the spontaneous arising of emotion, requires "an approach"? I don't get that. My relationship with my kids is about as unfettered as it gets. Interesting how you equate love/appreciation with such things as 'having an approach' and 'entertaining very complex concepts.' For someone who may not experience emotions as one of the largest domains within their experience, I can understand how they might think that the arising of emotion is conceptual, because it is conceptual to them. I get where you are coming from, figs. Where I don't go, and I don't know that you go there either, is the pursuit and maintenance of having an emotion or role. Behind the emotion is emotionlessness, behind the role is rolelessness. These things come and go, but are not who we are at the core. |
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Post by Reefs on May 3, 2013 20:02:59 GMT -5
cosmopolitan = familiar with and at ease in many different countries and cultures, a person who has lived in and knows about many different parts of the world thanks for the clarification. I don't get how being legally married would play into being well travelled...but I'll take your word for it. You've never felt bonded in a beautiful way with another?..your child or wife perhaps?  If it's not something you've experienced yourself, I guess I might see how it could be regarded as a giraffe party. Dear Dude/Dudette, It's about traveling and living abroad together when being legally married is an advantage. In some areas/countries it can be difficult to get a visa/residence permit for your boyfriend/girlfriend while getting one for your spouse is in most cases never a problem. I'm not denying having any of those feelings at all. There's just this sense of 'ownership' absent that seems to be very present in your descriptions. What I don't do is glorifying it in the way you do, putting it in a neat conceptual little box and carry it around and show it others as soon as there's an opportunity. That's where the rubber leaves the road and we take off into unicorn land. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize |
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Post by Reefs on May 3, 2013 20:19:34 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, Yeah, 'heart bursting' and 'unique bonds growing stronger' sounds mucho invested. Probably just the tip of a conceptual iceberg. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize Of course, Attempts to describe these types of experience is difficult with words. In the moment of the actual experience, there is no conceptualizing present. Dear Dude/Dudette, But you recall it, you remember it, you cherish it, you idealize it. If it would be really just a thing of the moment then it would be an out of sight out of mind scenario without any conclusions like 'unique bonds' and such. That's an unnecessary conceptual overlay that can grow into very complex giraffes. You were very specific in your descriptions which I take as a sign that you've pondered it a lot and that there's a huge conceptual tail attached to those original feelings now. If what you are talking about is actual and spontaneously arising in the moment then it is non-conceptual and cannot be described or conveyed or shared via this format. So why the attempt to do it anyway? Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize |
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Post by Beingist on May 3, 2013 20:23:09 GMT -5
So, the spontaneous arising of emotion, requires "an approach"? I don't get that. My relationship with my kids is about as unfettered as it gets. Interesting how you equate love/appreciation with such things as 'having an approach' and 'entertaining very complex concepts.' For someone who may not experience emotions as one of the largest domains within their experience, I can understand how they might think that the arising of emotion is conceptual, because it is conceptual to them. I get where you are coming from, figs. Where I don't go, and I don't know that you go there either, is the pursuit and maintenance of having an emotion or role. Behind the emotion is emotionlessness, behind the role is rolelessness. These things come and go, but are not who we are at the core. Yeah, I'm rezzin' with this one. |
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Post by Reefs on May 3, 2013 20:27:58 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, I remember Abe saying that aging is natural, decline not. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize I thought one of those dudes croaked? Mr. Hicks. Isn't that a measure of some decline? Seems to me death is about as natural as you can get. Dear Dude/Dudette, Yeah, he croaked about 1 1/2 years ago, it didn't go as planned. He was kinda fighting it, saying that he was conversing with Abe a lot about his declining health and what has caused it to make sure that this is not going to happen again and a month later he was gone. Lots of contradictions there. The final explanation so far is that it was wanted from 'broader perspective' which begs the question about how powerful/influential the 'personal perspective' actually is. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize |
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Post by Reefs on May 3, 2013 20:29:46 GMT -5
I actually didn't. He's been openin' up a little lately and I thought maybe I'd catch him on roll. I honestly thought he was just holding back on expressing and sharing his emotional side, all this time. It seems though that perhaps it's maybe just not there. I dunno..... He keeps his cards pretty close to his vest.  ..but, I've met a few in my life where that was actually the case, so it is possible. Yes, that's what the painting is all about, and you didn't need him to complete your painting. Dear Dude/Dudette, It's an old painting, actually. There are different versions of it circulating in the interwebs because it has been painted many many times. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize |
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Post by Reefs on May 3, 2013 20:36:57 GMT -5
I thought one of those dudes croaked? Mr. Hicks. Isn't that a measure of some decline? Seems to me death is about as natural as you can get. Yeah..they acknowledge that death is natural but decline or suffering prior to, need not occur. But even then, there is no 'vilification' of decline or illness. They also say humans generally make far too much out of all of this...decline, death, life...... Take it way too seriously. Now THAT part I really resonate with.  Dear Dude/Dudette, Yes, they say long and slow decline prior to croaking is unnecessary. But it's obviously the 'path of least resistance' because death is feared so much by many and so a slow withdrawal seems to be the way to go in order to get familiar with and accept the inevitable. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize |
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Post by Reefs on May 3, 2013 20:40:38 GMT -5
Yes, that's what the painting is all about, and you didn't need him to complete your painting. I dont' get that E. There's a genuine curiosity here.....I don't know with certainty whether Reefs is holding back or whether he really is lacking in feeling/emotion. That's why I'm asking him questions...to try to find out. You started out by saying to me: "That's the picture I saw you painting with your 'heart bursting' question. It doesn't matter how he responded, you were gonna keep painting your picture." Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/2762/teachings-vernon-howard?page=8#ixzz2SFp6kyaII keep telling you that that's not so. I'm open to Reefs showing me something completely different...but it's YOU here, who won't let go of your picture that paints me as one who comes to a conversation with an already full cup. I guess we could say that the pic you have painted of me here, is pretty much 'complete' as you cannot even entertain the possibility that I may be coming from a different place than you say, even though I'm outright telling you so? Dear Dude/Dudette, The part in red sums up your story very well. It's an often told story which is also in alignment with Andrews 'cut off from joy' mantra. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize |
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Post by Reefs on May 3, 2013 20:45:33 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, There's not much to say, really. Simply because there isn't actually an 'approach' (i.e. conceptual guideline) to relationships at work. The words you used sound very romantic and touchy feely and new agey. You seem to entertain very complex concepts about relationships, especially 'parent' - 'child' relationships. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize So, the spontaneous arising of emotion, requires "an approach"? I don't get that. My relationship with my kids is about as unfettered as it gets. Interesting how you equate love/appreciation with such things as 'having an approach' and 'entertaining very complex concepts.' Dear Dude/Dudette, You said: Not sure if you're holding back here dude, but your approach to relationships in general, sounds pretty sterile. Obviously 'approach' is your lens not mine. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize |
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Post by Reefs on May 3, 2013 20:54:23 GMT -5
So, the spontaneous arising of emotion, requires "an approach"? I don't get that. My relationship with my kids is about as unfettered as it gets. Interesting how you equate love/appreciation with such things as 'having an approach' and 'entertaining very complex concepts.' For someone who may not experience emotions as one of the largest domains within their experience, I can understand how they might think that the arising of emotion is conceptual, because it is conceptual to them. I get where you are coming from, figs. Where I don't go, and I don't know that you go there either, is the pursuit and maintenance of having an emotion or role. Behind the emotion is emotionlessness, behind the role is rolelessness. These things come and go, but are not who we are at the core. Dear Dude/Dudette, Cherishing emotions is conceptual. Not the in the moment thingy. Mrs Figs comes across a little dewy eyed romantic the way she is talking about certain relationships. Don't get me wrong, candle light dinner on a tropical beach, I'm all in. Where I'll probably gonna bid farewell would be the moment the candle light dinner turns into unicorn talks about 'unique bonds' and 'bursting hearts'. The hardcore romantic would see that as 'lacking emotion'. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 21:11:03 GMT -5
For someone who may not experience emotions as one of the largest domains within their experience, I can understand how they might think that the arising of emotion is conceptual, because it is conceptual to them. Yes. I like how you stated that. Yes, roles get played, emotions arise, without seeking or effort. |
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Post by Beingist on May 3, 2013 21:28:26 GMT -5
For someone who may not experience emotions as one of the largest domains within their experience, I can understand how they might think that the arising of emotion is conceptual, because it is conceptual to them. Yes. I like how you stated that. Yes, roles get played, emotions arise, without seeking or effort. Okay, so you don't seek these emotions, then? I was under the impression that you were. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 21:39:44 GMT -5
Cherishing emotions is conceptual. But, who's talking that? Cherishing a child or life partner is not the equivalent of cherishing emotion. Don't hold back now Great Blue Hole...tell me how you really feel.  Hehe...guess there's no danger of you contributing to the poetry thread.  Interesting that when it comes to expressing your feelings of disdain for another, you can talk a blue streak....remembering, recalling, re-living, and re-hashing all sorts of stuff surrounding what another said or did, to express how you regard them, but ask how you feel about your child or your spouse and I can't get a word outa ya. |
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..but, I've met a few in my life where that was actually the case, so it is possible. 
