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Post by Reefs on May 2, 2013 21:22:11 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, That's clutterization in my book. TMT. Why the need for an identity? It's engaging with 'oneself' (or 'oneselves' in your case). If there is no need for an identity then the question of attachment to a certain identity vs. non-attachment and flexibility with unlimited identities would be a non-issue. Letting go would also be an non-issue. I never felt like a husband or parent. That kind of stuff just doesn't arise. Am I missing something essential here? Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize Reefs is a dude! Dear Dude/Dudette, Careful. Could be a red herring. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize |
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Post by Reefs on May 2, 2013 21:23:11 GMT -5
With kids and an as of yet un-sexed life partner. Dear Dude/Dudette, 'Let's not jump to conclusions.' - M-G Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize |
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Post by Reefs on May 2, 2013 21:25:45 GMT -5
hahaha, what is going on here?
The thread has gone way off topic. No one has read or listened to Vernon Howard?All the teachers are pointing to one thing only (as far I know) and that is to be yourself, your real self. Not role playing not this or that & that is why the direct path is effective. Mooji, adyashanti, ramana even tolle, they all point to it and that's what its about, isn't it? Finding the truth. If u don't know who u really are, then u r just identifying with a thought, the "I thought" and then u have a past and future. As far activities is concerned, u can be engaged in different activities, doing different things at different times but the real question to ask yourself or to know, is there someone doing those things? Ego is very cunning, we've to be serious if we won't to get out of it otherwise we won't wake up and to tell u the truth, most of us don't want to wake up. Dear Dude/Dudette, That's how it goes here. If you want 'your' thread to stay on topic then you should say that explicitly in your OP. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize |
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Post by laughter on May 2, 2013 21:49:48 GMT -5
With kids and an as of yet un-sexed life partner. Dear Dude/Dudette, 'Let's not jump to conclusions.' - M-G Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize |
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Post by topology on May 2, 2013 22:07:03 GMT -5
With kids and an as of yet un-sexed life partner. Dear Dude/Dudette, 'Let's not jump to conclusions.' - M-G Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize You are right, your life partner would have had to have been sexed in order to have kids, unless they were adopted... |
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Post by Reefs on May 2, 2013 22:10:32 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, It's not as though there's a commentary of those words running through my head as I engage with those roles.....I'm using words (and yes, thinking!) here to attempt to explain experience. Yeah, that would be strange. Well, that's only what 'society' is trying to tell me. Rather meaningless. No, not really - except for paperwork maybe, but that's once in a blue moon. I don't even use words like 'mom', 'dad', 'child' 'wife/spouse' etc. because I don't have these kind of concepts running in the background. There is no hierarchy, only equals. I never use words like 'love', 'commitment' and 'nurturing' and 'caring' because I don't have these kind of concepts running in the background. There are no broken ones. Certain things are done, yes, but they are done according to or in a way that matches the mental predispositions of those who are involved and sharing the same space for a certain amount of time (explain it with LOA if you wish). Explaining that with the concepts you mentioned there is TMT and unnecessarily complicating things from my point of view. I can understand your notion of being flexible with the roles people play. It's actually what society demands. Doing the 'parent' role play with friends in pub or doing the 'lover' role play at work because that's the only role one is able to play creates awkward situations. I can see that. However, I don't see how being able to play an unlimited number of roles could mean more freedom than having no role at all to play. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize |
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Post by Reefs on May 2, 2013 22:22:06 GMT -5
incessant? Would there be a sense of loss if the roles did not arise again? With the roles I thoroughly enjoy, sure. But a sense of loss itself is not a problem if it's felt fully and then released. This body has a progressive neurological disorder that is slowly affecting the most basic physical functions. Prior to this, I've always enjoyed peak health, used to perform in a rock band, run every morning, lift weight, and in general,give my kids a run for their money when it came to energy and stamina. Initially there was a sense of having the role of 'healthy energetic woman' ripped out from under me...(and all those other roles that that supported). So yes, initially, a sense of loss. But it did not last long. And the vantage point provided by where I now stand, has opened up new vistas with all sorts of new 'roles' to engage with if/when they beckon. AS I see it, so long as we're physically alive, there will never be a shortage of enjoyable roles to play, so long as we're still interested in participating in the play. Dear Dude/Dudette, I'm always amazed how easily folks buy into that diagnosis stuff. I don't know what 'progressive neurological disorder that is slowly affecting the most basic physical functions' means and from where you got that label but calling it that way is so very un-abe! Especially when you make it sound as if it were irreversible. Abe would suggest to call it what it is, resistance to the stream. So instead of saying 'This body has this disorder that is doing this and that' you could say 'This body has resistance to the stream and it shows up like this/that'. Was that 'disorder' there before your brother disappeared or after that event? Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize |
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Post by Reefs on May 2, 2013 22:29:37 GMT -5
With the roles I thoroughly enjoy, sure. But a sense of loss itself is not a problem if it's felt fully and then released. This body has a progressive neurological disorder that is slowly affecting the most basic physical functions. Prior to this, I've always enjoyed peak health, used to perform in a rock band, run every morning, lift weight, and in general,give my kids a run for their money when it came to energy and stamina. Initially there was a sense of having the role of 'healthy energetic woman' ripped out from under me...(and all those other roles that that supported). So yes, initially, a sense of loss. But it did not last long. And the vantage point provided by where I now stand, has opened up new vistas with all sorts of new 'roles' to engage with if/when they beckon. AS I see it, so long as we're physically alive, there will never be a shortage of enjoyable roles to play, so long as we're still interested in participating in the play. You mentioned that neurological disorder, a number of years ago if I recall. It's sort of interesting that while I've questioned the mental state/function of a couple of peeps here, I see no sign of that in you. To the extent that we disagree, I don't see it being related to any sort of cognitive dysfunction. (FWIW) Dear Dude/Dudette, She mentioned it before? I hear that the first time. As you say, there are some folks on spiritual discussion boards one would envision as drooling on their keyboards. Mrs Figs seems to be the exact opposite. Or is 'heightened interest in online debates' a neurological disorder now?  Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 1:06:45 GMT -5
Well, that's only what 'society' is trying to tell me. Rather meaningless. So...you actually went through the whole act of 'getting married' but don't regard yourself as a husband/wife? Seems strange you'd do the whole legal bit if it meant nothing. Do those words necessary indicate 'heirarchy'? .......You don't ever just look down at your kid sleeping and have your heart almost burst with the feelings that arise? Well, when you stop playin' on the playground, but you're still ON the playground, then, you're an observer. Someone who watches everyone else play until the bell rings and play time is over. But, Really There's no right or wrong and freedom can be found in either position. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 1:19:04 GMT -5
I'm always amazed how easily folks buy into that diagnosis stuff. You assume "easily buying in". It's been ten years of decline. At some point it's noticed, Something's goin' on. Might sound that way, but I don't focus on being unable much...Generally do avoid the technical labels of dr.'s 'cause I don't trust them over my own intuition.... I was written off a few years back and...looky here!  HOw so? Very open to this. Have noted though, there is less resistance without focus upon "how the hell this happened,"...the path of least resistance at this point is surrender/acceptance. And, All I can say is: Gifts come in the most surprising packages. Before. And he didn't "disappear."  |
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Post by silence on May 3, 2013 1:25:35 GMT -5
hahaha, what is going on here? The thread has gone way off topic. No one has read or listened to Vernon Howard? All the teachers are pointing to one thing only (as far I know) and that is to be yourself, your real self. Not role playing not this or that & that is why the direct path is effective. Mooji, adyashanti, ramana even tolle, they all point to it and that's what its about, isn't it? Finding the truth. Right. If I tell you to be yourself right now, do you say "hold on a minute, I need to find something first"? |
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Post by enigma on May 3, 2013 1:50:04 GMT -5
You mentioned that neurological disorder, a number of years ago if I recall. It's sort of interesting that while I've questioned the mental state/function of a couple of peeps here, I see no sign of that in you. To the extent that we disagree, I don't see it being related to any sort of cognitive dysfunction. (FWIW) Dear Dude/Dudette, She mentioned it before? I hear that the first time. As you say, there are some folks on spiritual discussion boards one would envision as drooling on their keyboards. Mrs Figs seems to be the exact opposite. Or is 'heightened interest in online debates' a neurological disorder now? Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize Maybe in her case it's 'therapy'. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 2:03:10 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, She mentioned it before? I hear that the first time. As you say, there are some folks on spiritual discussion boards one would envision as drooling on their keyboards. Mrs Figs seems to be the exact opposite. Or is 'heightened interest in online debates' a neurological disorder now? Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize Maybe in her case it's 'therapy'. Hehe.....crossword puzzles, brain teazers.......and debates with E. |
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Post by Reefs on May 3, 2013 3:05:25 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, So...you actually went through the whole act of 'getting married' but don't regard yourself as a husband/wife? Seems strange you'd do the whole legal bit if it meant nothing. The legal bit is muy importante when you have a cosmopolitan life style. Yup, sorta. Not in the sense that it is 'my' child sleeping there and looking all cute and cuddly. I'd say I could be looking at your child and have the same feeling if it would be lying there all cute and cuddly and looking in a similar way. Looks like we have to agree to disagree.  Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize |
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Post by Reefs on May 3, 2013 3:31:42 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, You assume "easily buying in". It's been ten years of decline. At some point it's noticed, Something's goin' on. Okay. I don't know what you 'have' there, so then you are just 'buying in' instead of ' easily buying in'. Does that sound betterer? Yeah, I recently stumbled over a vid about how the DSM stuff was created. What a joke! Well, you said 'progressive'. That sounded like a one way ticket. <speculation> How it happened is irrelevant because decline is only a question of resistance (i.e. focus). However, when your focus goes elsewhere, the things you've focused on before and now lack your focus tend to shift into the background and slowly disappear. A-H used to talk about it by taking abandoned houses as an example. As long as someone lives there it seems to stay intact even if nothing gets repaired but when it is abandoned and no one focuses on it anymore it starts to fall apart. Focus is holding things in shape. Same with the body. A-H explained Jerry's case that way. He felt he has had a rich life and was now kinda 'done' from broader perspective (not the personal/ego perspective) and the focus went elsewhere and his body started to decline. From his personal perspective it looked like something gone horribly wrong since he was planning to live until 140 and croak with Esther together. That's why I asked about your brother. His 'non-departure' seemed to have intensified your focus on 'the other side' so there was less focus on 'this side' to keep things in shape since that event. </speculation> Well, you know what I mean.  Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize |
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