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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 21:44:41 GMT -5
Yes. I like how you stated that. Yes, roles get played, emotions arise, without seeking or effort. Okay, so you don't seek these emotions, then? I was under the impression that you were. There is no seeking of anything in particular any longer B. What gave you that impression? To seek something is to believe that I do not have it. In general, I experience a profound sense of Peace and in that, all sorts of lovely feeling emotions arise, but that's a result of letting go, not chasing after something that I need and feel I do not have. |
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Post by silver on May 3, 2013 21:49:15 GMT -5
Cherishing emotions is conceptual. But, who's talking that? Cherishing a child or life partner is not the equivalent of cherishing emotion. Hehe...guess there's no danger of you contributing to the poetry thread.  Now that, I'd pay to see. |
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Post by Reefs on May 3, 2013 21:49:18 GMT -5
Cherishing emotions is conceptual. But, who's talking that? Cherishing a child or life partner is not the equivalent of cherishing emotion. Don't hold back now Great Blue Hole...tell me how you really feel.  Hehe...guess there's no danger of you contributing to the poetry thread. Interesting that when it comes to expressing your feelings of disdain for another, you can talk a blue streak....remembering, recalling, re-living, and re-hashing all sorts of stuff surrounding what another said or did, to express how you regard them, but ask how you feel about your child or your spouse and I can't get a word outa ya. Dear Dude/Dudette, Seems Enigma was right. It doesn't matter how I reply. We are at the 'wasting valuable bandwidth' stage again. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize |
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Post by Beingist on May 3, 2013 22:00:46 GMT -5
Okay, so you don't seek these emotions, then? I was under the impression that you were. There is no seeking of anything in particular any longer B. What gave you that impression? To seek something is to believe that I do not have it. In general, I experience a profound sense of Peace and in that, all sorts of lovely feeling emotions arise, but that's a result of letting go, not chasing after something that I need and feel I do not have. Okay.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 22:04:51 GMT -5
But, who's talking that? Cherishing a child or life partner is not the equivalent of cherishing emotion. Don't hold back now Great Blue Hole...tell me how you really feel. Hehe...guess there's no danger of you contributing to the poetry thread. Interesting that when it comes to expressing your feelings of disdain for another, you can talk a blue streak....remembering, recalling, re-living, and re-hashing all sorts of stuff surrounding what another said or did, to express how you regard them, but ask how you feel about your child or your spouse and I can't get a word outa ya. Dear Dude/Dudette, Seems Enigma was right. It doesn't matter how I reply. We are at the 'wasting valuable bandwidth' stage again. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize Of course it matters how you reply. Have you really said anything different than when we first started having this conversation? I'm open to seeing you in a different light, but you have to convey something different first. All you're doing is agreeing and further re-affirming that you are not very expressive emotionally when it comes to those you care about. (edit: I do realize the bolded part is an assumption on my part that you do actually care about specific others) Throw me a bone if you have it...I'm more open minded than you believe. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 23:15:06 GMT -5
Yeah, he croaked about 1 1/2 years ago, it didn't go as planned. He was kinda fighting it, saying that he was conversing with Abe a lot about his declining health and what has caused it to make sure that this is not going to happen again and a month later he was gone. Lots of contradictions there. The final explanation so far is that it was wanted from 'broader perspective' which begs the question about how powerful/influential the 'personal perspective' actually is.Yes to the bolded. Someone shared an abe recording with me about a week ago on that subject. It was explained that Jerry allowed his own intentions to get muddled with Esther's desire to keep him around playing with her for years to come....they said if it wasn't for this, he would have likely sat down in a chair and just drifted off...but he was so intertwined with her desires that he could not disregard them. They explained how with all his asking to understand more and on a deeper level about Source, death was the next logical step. Anyway, in this recording, Abe said that if it had gone that way and Esther had not had time to acclimate to the idea of losing Jerry, she would never have been able to get back up on that stage again to do what she does, due to shock and grief. So, she essentially assigns her wanting to hold onto him physically for the fact that he died through cancer. I very much agree that all of this does beg the question about how influencial the personal perspective actually is..or perhaps how we can even at times be unclear as to our greatest desires...I guess in this case, if dying was a personal desire, it would mean that this was being muddied by his competing desire to not hurt Esther. I think sometimes we tell ourselves we want one thing but the path to the essence of that is different than the one we're envisioning. In the end, we get what we were really after and maybe just weren't able to fully define. I dunno. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 23:16:00 GMT -5
Yeah, he croaked about 1 1/2 years ago, it didn't go as planned. He was kinda fighting it, saying that he was conversing with Abe a lot about his declining health and what has caused it to make sure that this is not going to happen again and a month later he was gone. Lots of contradictions there. The final explanation so far is that it was wanted from 'broader perspective' which begs the question about how powerful/influential the 'personal perspective' actually is.Yes to the bolded. Someone shared an abe recording with me about a week ago on that subject. It was explained that Jerry allowed his own intentions to get muddled with Esther's desire to keep him around playing with her for years to come....they said if it wasn't for this, he would have likely sat down in a chair and just drifted off...but he was so intertwined with her desires that he could not disregard them. They explained how with all his asking to understand more and on a deeper level about Source, death was the next logical step. Anyway, in this recording, Abe said that if it had gone that way and Esther had not had time to acclimate to the idea of losing Jerry, she would never have been able to get back up on that stage again to do what she does, due to shock and grief. So, she essentially assigns her wanting to hold onto him physically for the fact that he died through cancer. I very much agree that all of this does beg the question about how influencial the personal perspective actually is..or perhaps how we can even at times be unclear as to our greatest desires...I guess in this case, if dying was a personal desire, it would mean that this was being muddied by his competing desire to not hurt Esther. I think sometimes we tell ourselves we want one thing but the path to the essence of that is different than the one we're envisioning. In the end, we get what we were really after and maybe just weren't able to fully define. I dunno. [/quote] |
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Post by Reefs on May 5, 2013 0:04:55 GMT -5
Yeah, he croaked about 1 1/2 years ago, it didn't go as planned. He was kinda fighting it, saying that he was conversing with Abe a lot about his declining health and what has caused it to make sure that this is not going to happen again and a month later he was gone. Lots of contradictions there. The final explanation so far is that it was wanted from 'broader perspective' which begs the question about how powerful/influential the 'personal perspective' actually is.Yes to the bolded. Someone shared an abe recording with me about a week ago on that subject. It was explained that Jerry allowed his own intentions to get muddled with Esther's desire to keep him around playing with her for years to come....they said if it wasn't for this, he would have likely sat down in a chair and just drifted off...but he was so intertwined with her desires that he could not disregard them. They explained how with all his asking to understand more and on a deeper level about Source, death was the next logical step. Anyway, in this recording, Abe said that if it had gone that way and Esther had not had time to acclimate to the idea of losing Jerry, she would never have been able to get back up on that stage again to do what she does, due to shock and grief. So, she essentially assigns her wanting to hold onto him physically for the fact that he died through cancer. I very much agree that all of this does beg the question about how influencial the personal perspective actually is..or perhaps how we can even at times be unclear as to our greatest desires...I guess in this case, if dying was a personal desire, it would mean that this was being muddied by his competing desire to not hurt Esther. I think sometimes we tell ourselves we want one thing but the path to the essence of that is different than the one we're envisioning. In the end, we get what we were really after and maybe just weren't able to fully define. I dunno. Dear Dude/Dudette, As I said, lots of contradictions with Jerry there. Anyways, your interpretation is the pro free willy interpretation. One could also make a case for the anti free willy interpretation which probably would make even more sense because as Jerry's example shows, what the broader perspective ('inner being') wants gets done, guaranteed. What the personal perspective ('ego') wants only sometimes gets done and there are no guarantees if it ever will get done. So when does what the personal perspective wants get done? When the personal perspective is in alignment with the broader perspective, then what is wanted gets done, guaranteed. This also explains why the results with 'LOA work' are usually a 50/50 scenario for most. The thing about the pro free willy philosophies is that they are a little bit in denial. While it can be easily shown that focus/attention is what keeps creation/manifesting rolling and that a change in focus means eventually a change of experience and such and that changes can have sorta kinda predictable outcomes if one knows about the mechanics of LOA it's still somehow missing something. And that 'something' is some kind of 'wildcard' that makes things very dicey again. This 'wildcard' is the impulse that causes a change of focus. This impulse is unpredictable by the person, it's beyond the person, it's coming from the broader perspective. This can also be seen on the forum here. It's not predictable when the focus is going to change, but when it has changed then the outcome is kinda predictable again in the same way it was predictable before the focus was about to change. So what the person is envisioning or not seems pretty irrelevant if one goes with the anti free willy interpretation. Of course that's the other extreme end of the free willy stick and the entire free willy stick itself is actually irrelevant from the impersonal vantage point. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2013 15:38:02 GMT -5
Yeah, and seeing that either interpretation of the Vernon Howard stick is irrelevant, leads to the realization that all interpretations are just that, an interpretation. Including the interpretation of an impersonal vantage point...  |
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Post by bearamundi on Sept 15, 2013 14:34:57 GMT -5
Hi Adventurousman. I actually joined this forum for the purposes of commenting on your query. If you have been insightful enough to have found Vernon Howard in the first place, stick with him. I believe he is all you need and is a genuine teacher. He is the real deal, just keep listening. In relation to your confusion about sex and all that, forget it. Just leave that aspect of your life alone and continue to work hard on yourself. I'll say it again, all you need is Vernon. I'd double your listening schedule.
It is so rare in life that a true teacher finds you. The chances of it occurring are almost infinitesimal. This has occurred to you, probably and hopefully because you were absolutely desperate prior to his coming in to your life. Please don't let that thread go. As you cling to that thread you will gain strength, well, strength will start to come to you, so that discernment will grow as well. You are on the path man!!
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