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Post by enigma on Mar 4, 2015 20:08:39 GMT -5
Another 'What game' contestant. Like there was anything even remotely vague about what you said. Hey should we start givin' out prizes and trophies and stuff?? ... I'd say give 'dusty a rastaphant! We could, but we'd hafta figure out what constitutes a win.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 22:19:54 GMT -5
Yeah, this is the only way that conclusion can be made, but you disagree with me that we can't know what has happened an hour ago, If so, how could you know you were happy or unhappy an hour ago? If not how could you conclude? I can't really say I know what you're goin on about. I remember a conversation in which I said everything is coming from consciousness now, including memories about the past. Did that translate into' we can't know what happened an hour ago' to you? If you know you are happy/unhappy an hour ago, why can't you know the book which has been kept in your room has been written by someone(other perspective)? You gave the dream analogy to me that In dream I am reading a book and I assume it's written in the past, and you told me the same is happening here,Isn't it? Why can't you believe that some book which has been written in past by other perspective?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 22:26:00 GMT -5
Yeah, Enigma believes this way, He says we can't know whether we were in mars or earth an hour ago can't be known I don't know that I said that. he he I know you would say this Do you forget that you asked me how do I know whether I am waking up in the same bed room where I slept or not? Pilgrims hasn't told you that no one here has the doubt that yesterday has happened?
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Post by laughter on Mar 4, 2015 23:21:09 GMT -5
Hey should we start givin' out prizes and trophies and stuff?? ... I'd say give 'dusty a rastaphant! We could, but we'd hafta figure out what constitutes a win. It's like tee-ball, everyone's a winner and gets a stuffed animal.
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Post by enigma on Mar 5, 2015 1:41:20 GMT -5
I can't really say I know what you're goin on about. I remember a conversation in which I said everything is coming from consciousness now, including memories about the past. Did that translate into' we can't know what happened an hour ago' to you? If you know you are happy/unhappy an hour ago, why can't you know the book which has been kept in your room has been written by someone(other perspective)? You gave the dream analogy to me that In dream I am reading a book and I assume it's written in the past, and you told me the same is happening here,Isn't it? Why can't you believe that some book which has been written in past by other perspective? Yeah, same thing is happening in the waking dream. You assume some book has been written in the past by another perspective. Your memory tells you that you were happy an hour ago. Now what's the problem?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 1:43:13 GMT -5
If you know you are happy/unhappy an hour ago, why can't you know the book which has been kept in your room has been written by someone(other perspective)? You gave the dream analogy to me that In dream I am reading a book and I assume it's written in the past, and you told me the same is happening here,Isn't it? Why can't you believe that some book which has been written in past by other perspective? Yeah, same thing is happening in the waking dream. You assume some book has been written in the past by another perspective. Your memory tells you that you were happy an hour ago. Now what's the problem? Yes , you are believing when your memory tells you that you were happy an hour ago, but you are not believing when your memory tell you that someone has written in it? Isn't it?
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Post by enigma on Mar 5, 2015 1:51:53 GMT -5
I don't know that I said that. he he I know you would say this Do you forget that you asked me how do I know whether I am waking up in the same bed room where I slept or not? Pilgrims hasn't told you that no one here has the doubt that yesterday has happened? Right, you don't know if 'you' were experiencing 'you' yesterday, or 'me'. The point was that you have a history in memory, and you can't confirm where that came from or whether any of it really happened. They're just thoughts, and you don't know where your thoughts come from. You don't know if you are the same you you were yesterday, or a second ago. The continuity is in the mind, and the mind is in consciousness.
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Post by enigma on Mar 5, 2015 1:52:37 GMT -5
We could, but we'd hafta figure out what constitutes a win. It's like tee-ball, everyone's a winner and gets a stuffed animal. Yay!
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Post by enigma on Mar 5, 2015 1:53:44 GMT -5
Yeah, same thing is happening in the waking dream. You assume some book has been written in the past by another perspective. Your memory tells you that you were happy an hour ago. Now what's the problem? Yes , you are believing when your memory tells you that you were happy an hour ago, but you are not believing when your memory tell you that someone has written in it? Isn't it? Both are believed. What's the problem?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 2:14:07 GMT -5
Yes , you are believing when your memory tells you that you were happy an hour ago, but you are not believing when your memory tell you that someone has written in it? Isn't it? Both are believed. What's the problem? I am still not getting you properly, Please clarify me here. Are you saying when memory tells about your happy/unhappy roller coaster, it's right. When your memory tells about your someone has written the book, It's wrong. Is that what your say?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 3:35:19 GMT -5
he he I know you would say this Do you forget that you asked me how do I know whether I am waking up in the same bed room where I slept or not? Pilgrims hasn't told you that no one here has the doubt that yesterday has happened? Right, you don't know if 'you' were experiencing 'you' yesterday, or 'me'. The point was that you have a history in memory, and you can't confirm where that came from or whether any of it really happened. They're just thoughts, and you don't know where your thoughts come from. You don't know if you are the same you you were yesterday, or a second ago. The continuity is in the mind, and the mind is in consciousness. Yes, but you were saying you have had many happy/unhappy roller coaster in your life, but according to your truth, you can't know,right?
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Post by enigma on Mar 6, 2015 11:27:34 GMT -5
Both are believed. What's the problem? I am still not getting you properly, Please clarify me here. Are you saying when memory tells about your happy/unhappy roller coaster, it's right. When your memory tells about your someone has written the book, It's wrong. Is that what your say? No, I'm saying whatever happens, happens now, so be careful what conclusions you draw from it about what isn't happening now.
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Post by enigma on Mar 6, 2015 11:34:08 GMT -5
Right, you don't know if 'you' were experiencing 'you' yesterday, or 'me'. The point was that you have a history in memory, and you can't confirm where that came from or whether any of it really happened. They're just thoughts, and you don't know where your thoughts come from. You don't know if you are the same you you were yesterday, or a second ago. The continuity is in the mind, and the mind is in consciousness. Yes, but you were saying you have had many happy/unhappy roller coaster in your life, but according to your truth, you can't know,right? Right, but it doesn't matter. Happy/unhappy are subjective, relative and mutually defining, which is why it is experienced as a roller coaster. I think you're imagining there is an absolute experience that we need to find. Experience is relative illusion. You don't know what happened because in the largest sense, nothing happened.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 11:39:35 GMT -5
Yes, but you were saying you have had many happy/unhappy roller coaster in your life, but according to your truth, you can't know,right? Right, but it doesn't matter. Happy/unhappy are subjective, relative and mutually defining, which is why it is experienced as a roller coaster. I think you're imagining there is an absolute experience that we need to find. Experience is relative illusion. You don't know what happened because in the largest sense, nothing happened.What do you mean by largest sense nothing happened? why?
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Post by runstill on Mar 6, 2015 11:49:30 GMT -5
Yes, but you were saying you have had many happy/unhappy roller coaster in your life, but according to your truth, you can't know,right? Right, but it doesn't matter. Happy/unhappy are subjective, relative and mutually defining, which is why it is experienced as a roller coaster. I think you're imagining there is an absolute experience that we need to find. Experience is relative illusion. You don't know what happened because in the largest sense, nothing happened. Oh boy that's going to send gopal off the deep end...
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