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Post by enigma on Sept 30, 2013 11:40:14 GMT -5
Whats your story of why I delete my account from time to time? 4 times in 24 hours is, from time to time!!!!!?!!!?? Sounds like you're not buying his painting either.
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Post by enigma on Sept 30, 2013 11:47:45 GMT -5
Obviously, everything is 'being done' now. What it means to be in the present is to not be thinking of the past or projecting into the future. I don't understand why he couldn't harmoniously tell me, that remembering could be done in the present.. He could have but it's beside the point. Remembering the past now, is not being present.
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Post by enigma on Sept 30, 2013 12:00:00 GMT -5
It seems to me that of the people here in the Spiritualteachers.org discussion boardsome folk have no-idea at all and want it to stay that way, constantly, and others have some idea and still others like to share what they've found to be true through having had life-experiences and others have taken to eradicating those they dislike by victimising them. Perhaps a thread on Fundamentalism would be worth-while? How about one on Sunday-School as well? Are there any Teachers in Spiritualteachers.org or are we all learners like me self (or no-self if that grabs your belly-button?) To my knowledge, there are no teachers here. That's not what the forum name implies.
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Post by enigma on Sept 30, 2013 12:10:18 GMT -5
No worries Peter.... i have no intention of sticking around and being trolled instead of conversed with. Especially if I'm going to be censured for graphically illustrating a small portion of the trolling and, I'll play at the bickering games. beat of luck to you in your quest for self improvement my friend. Well, good morning! Reefs has an abrasive way of speaking, but he wasn't trolling. Trolling adds no content to the thread and actually tries to divert it. He was on topic and was right about something - you keep getting the message mixed up with the messenger. Even this message from Peter. How hard would it have been to say, "Ok Peter, I'll post links instead of whole text." But you took it personally. So personally that you felt the need to add some nasty little sarcasm at the end. This does not leave a good impression of 'Samadhi as a spiritual practice'. There's some kind of war going on in you, cause it spews out here periodically. <--- now that's armchair psychology Yes, he openly declares no interest in anything that smacks of self improvement, ego work, becoming conscious or understanding, and puts down those who do, and yet that's what comes back to bite him. It seems it's beneath him to consider the possibility that he's not done with that work. It's just not as exciting as being the Samadhi expert.
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Post by onehandclapping on Sept 30, 2013 12:11:52 GMT -5
I don't understand why he couldn't harmoniously tell me, that remembering could be done in the present.. He could have but it's beside the point. Remembering the past now, is not being present. This is a bit misleading of a statement don't ya think? Being present doesn't exclude attention on thoughts of the past if those thoughts are useful/needed in the present moment. Like right now you are attending thoughts of the past i.e. a learned language, to read this...are you not being present while doing so?
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Post by enigma on Sept 30, 2013 12:39:43 GMT -5
He could have but it's beside the point. Remembering the past now, is not being present. This is a bit misleading of a statement don't ya think? Being present doesn't exclude attention on thoughts of the past if those thoughts are useful/needed in the present moment. Like right now you are attending thoughts of the past i.e. a learned language, to read this...are you not being present while doing so? Of course it doesn't mean that. It just means not dwelling in the past or future. Not abiding in mind. I'm not saying Sharon was doing that in asking Alfio about his prior incarnation. That's Steve's thing and I'm not addressing that at all. All's I'm saying is that the fact that memories are being focused on now, or allthinking is happening now, doesn't mean one is being present while thinking about the past. That's a misconception of what is meant by being present. That's all I'm saying.
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Post by zendancer on Sept 30, 2013 12:59:52 GMT -5
It is my understanding that I (who I really am) is what samadhi (and all other states of mind or being) appears within. It is commonly understood within non-duality traditions (Zen, Advaita, etc.) that human beings can concentrate so intensely upon some activity that time, space, and selfhood can temporarily disappear. This can happen while doing the dishes or during an intense sports activity. The world is seen during this kind of samadhi, but there is no separate entity seeing it. The human being has become psychologically unified with whatever is happening. We can only say, in retrospect, that the world was seen during the samadhi because there was awareness of what was happening--what I call "content." However, nothing was known or distinguished or separate while in the samadhi.
Intense concentration upon breathing, while sitting relatively motionless in meditation, can trigger a samadhi so deep that everything disappears except pure awareness. In this kind of samadhi there is no content because EVERYTHING disappears. There is no awareness of the breathing process that triggered the samadhi or anything else. In my experience this kind of samadhi is temporary, and it lasts between five minutes and several hours.
The idea of disappearing into samadhi as a permanent state seems to have, at its core, the idea that there is someone or something that is going to disappear into an absolutist state. I do not think Ramana or anyone else was ever pointing to this kind of idea or state. From my POV all mental states and conditions come and go, and the only thing that never changes is the awareness of all such states. The truth is always here and now, so any attempt to attain anything in the future overlooks the infinite field of being in which everything IS ALREADY AND ALWAYS appearing and disappearing.
During Cosmic Consciousness experiences the field of beingness becomes aware of itself directly, beyond mind, but it cannot know itself because without reflection it cannot become an object of knowledge (which requires psychologically dividing itself into imaginary states). It experiences it's infiniteness, unity, and love directly, but it cannot know what it is. In absolute samadhi there is no experience of any kind, so there is no sense of unity, timelessness, love, etc. It is more like a resting state, and the only words that come close to describing what it is like, for me, is "a sensation of deep peace, silence, and emptiness as if a person had sunk to the bottom of a deep sea and rested there for a while, body and mind having fallen off."
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Post by enigma on Sept 30, 2013 15:13:56 GMT -5
It is my understanding that I (who I really am) is what samadhi (and all other states of mind or being) appears within. It is commonly understood within non-duality traditions (Zen, Advaita, etc.) that human beings can concentrate so intensely upon some activity that time, space, and selfhood can temporarily disappear. This can happen while doing the dishes or during an intense sports activity. The world is seen during this kind of samadhi, but there is no separate entity seeing it. The human being has become psychologically unified with whatever is happening. We can only say, in retrospect, that the world was seen during the samadhi because there was awareness of what was happening--what I call "content." However, nothing was known or distinguished or separate while in the samadhi. Intense concentration upon breathing, while sitting relatively motionless in meditation, can trigger a samadhi so deep that everything disappears except pure awareness. In this kind of samadhi there is no content because EVERYTHING disappears. There is no awareness of the breathing process that triggered the samadhi or anything else. In my experience this kind of samadhi is temporary, and it lasts between five minutes and several hours. The idea of disappearing into samadhi as a permanent state seems to have, at its core, the idea that there is someone or something that is going to disappear into an absolutist state. I do not think Ramana or anyone else was ever pointing to this kind of idea or state. From my POV all mental states and conditions come and go, and the only thing that never changes is the awareness of all such states. The truth is always here and now, so any attempt to attain anything in the future overlooks the infinite field of being in which everything IS ALREADY AND ALWAYS appearing and disappearing. During Cosmic Consciousness experiences the field of beingness becomes aware of itself directly, beyond mind, but it cannot know itself because without reflection it cannot become an object of knowledge (which requires psychologically dividing itself into imaginary states). It experiences it's infiniteness, unity, and love directly, but it cannot know what it is. In absolute samadhi there is no experience of any kind, so there is no sense of unity, timelessness, love, etc. It is more like a resting state, and the only words that come close to describing what it is like, for me, is "a sensation of deep peace, silence, and emptiness as if a person had sunk to the bottom of a deep sea and rested there for a while, body and mind having fallen off." Well said. I see why Samadhi would be a welcome respite for some from mind activity and mind/body identification. I can also see how it cannot be permanent, as the one who seeks relief in the experience cannot allow that. It also seems to be a 'dysfunctional' state in practical terms, and permanence isn't really desirable from that perspective.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 15:27:31 GMT -5
It is my understanding that I (who I really am) is what samadhi (and all other states of mind or being) appears within. It is commonly understood within non-duality traditions (Zen, Advaita, etc.) that human beings can concentrate so intensely upon some activity that time, space, and selfhood can temporarily disappear. This can happen while doing the dishes or during an intense sports activity. The world is seen during this kind of samadhi, but there is no separate entity seeing it. The human being has become psychologically unified with whatever is happening. We can only say, in retrospect, that the world was seen during the samadhi because there was awareness of what was happening--what I call "content." However, nothing was known or distinguished or separate while in the samadhi. Intense concentration upon breathing, while sitting relatively motionless in meditation, can trigger a samadhi so deep that everything disappears except pure awareness. In this kind of samadhi there is no content because EVERYTHING disappears. There is no awareness of the breathing process that triggered the samadhi or anything else. In my experience this kind of samadhi is temporary, and it lasts between five minutes and several hours. The idea of disappearing into samadhi as a permanent state seems to have, at its core, the idea that there is someone or something that is going to disappear into an absolutist state. I do not think Ramana or anyone else was ever pointing to this kind of idea or state. From my POV all mental states and conditions come and go, and the only thing that never changes is the awareness of all such states. The truth is always here and now, so any attempt to attain anything in the future overlooks the infinite field of being in which everything IS ALREADY AND ALWAYS appearing and disappearing. During Cosmic Consciousness experiences the field of beingness becomes aware of itself directly, beyond mind, but it cannot know itself because without reflection it cannot become an object of knowledge (which requires psychologically dividing itself into imaginary states). It experiences it's infiniteness, unity, and love directly, but it cannot know what it is. In absolute samadhi there is no experience of any kind, so there is no sense of unity, timelessness, love, etc. It is more like a resting state, and the only words that come close to describing what it is like, for me, is "a sensation of deep peace, silence, and emptiness as if a person had sunk to the bottom of a deep sea and rested there for a while, body and mind having fallen off." spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/3078/flower-sees-me :-)
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Post by silence on Sept 30, 2013 15:36:35 GMT -5
Steve, I'm still interested in your elaboration about the difference between drug addiction and Samadhi addiction.
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Post by onehandclapping on Sept 30, 2013 16:42:28 GMT -5
This is a bit misleading of a statement don't ya think? Being present doesn't exclude attention on thoughts of the past if those thoughts are useful/needed in the present moment. Like right now you are attending thoughts of the past i.e. a learned language, to read this...are you not being present while doing so? Of course it doesn't mean that. It just means not dwelling in the past or future. Not abiding in mind. I'm not saying Sharon was doing that in asking Alfio about his prior incarnation. That's Steve's thing and I'm not addressing that at all. All's I'm saying is that the fact that memories are being focused on now, or allthinking is happening now, doesn't mean one is being present while thinking about the past. That's a misconception of what is meant by being present. That's all I'm saying. I get ya now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 17:02:53 GMT -5
Wish I could click into nature as easily as I can click in here. Willow and Olive trees are the easiest trees to reveal themselves. Willow's symbiotic relationship with humans can be seen with a gentle and relaxed approach. And Olive can be seen as eternally giving very easily, it's what it is. Playful and inquisitive is how humans meet trees initially. And as respect solidifies and grounds..
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Post by Reefs on Sept 30, 2013 22:05:55 GMT -5
Well, good morning! Reefs has an abrasive way of speaking, but he wasn't trolling. Trolling adds no content to the thread and actually tries to divert it. He was on topic and was right about something - you keep getting the message mixed up with the messenger. Even this message from Peter. How hard would it have been to say, "Ok Peter, I'll post links instead of whole text." But you took it personally. So personally that you felt the need to add some nasty little sarcasm at the end. This does not leave a good impression of 'Samadhi as a spiritual practice'. There's some kind of war going on in you, cause it spews out here periodically. <--- now that's armchair psychology Yes, he openly declares no interest in anything that smacks of self improvement, ego work, becoming conscious or understanding, and puts down those who do, and yet that's what comes back to bite him. It seems it's beneath him to consider the possibility that he's not done with that work. It's just not as exciting as being the Samadhi expert. Did he say he was done with unlearning and unknowing yet?
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Post by enigma on Sept 30, 2013 22:11:15 GMT -5
Yes, he openly declares no interest in anything that smacks of self improvement, ego work, becoming conscious or understanding, and puts down those who do, and yet that's what comes back to bite him. It seems it's beneath him to consider the possibility that he's not done with that work. It's just not as exciting as being the Samadhi expert. Did he say he was done with unlearning and unknowing yet? I dunno. He seems to think that work consists of pretending to not know anything, but of course the next day he's telling us everything he knows about everything.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 30, 2013 22:15:44 GMT -5
Did he say he was done with unlearning and unknowing yet? I dunno. He seems to think that work consists of pretending to not know anything, but of course the next day he's telling us everything he knows about everything. Well, the next day he does that with a different account, ya know...
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