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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 1:55:17 GMT -5
There is no single "reason", sometimes it just felt like the right and harmonious thing to do in that moment. Sometimes it's because the conversation amongst the members just takes on an exceedingly petty and contentious tone, which I have no interest in being a part of or engaging in....in some ways this forum is like a sitting circle for discussion, if the discussion gets too heated, unharmonious, petty, and rude, I just get up and walk away so to speak. Also, often, I have noticed that when I share something here, it will be debated seemingly for the sole purpose of debate, and as long as there is someone to debate with, what I have said will be opposed versus explored, so I leave to remove to focal point of contention to allow for exploration without my input. Whats more interesting is why I return.....which in most cases, is because somebody, usually ZD, has written something of merit that is not the petty bickering that goes on here, and is harmonious to discuss. So the short answer to your question is: When its a harmonious place for conversation, even if this means lively debate without pettiness, I will have a sit. When the pettiness becomes ridicules, I leave... unlike many here, I have no need to be here, so when too many of you act a fool, I leave ;-) When you engage in civil discussion, or even robust debate, without personal pettiness and agendas, I come back....its not so complicated. ;-) The pettiness usually comes from folks like you who love to play the "I am more enlightened than you" game. As long as that need to prove something is present there won't be any civil discussions possible because the messenger and the message are inseparable. Which means questioning the message automatically means questioning the messenger. And the messenger usually has an issue with that. The "I'm am more enlightened than you game" seems to be a projection of some kind of insecurity in you, and that insecurity sends you on the ofeensive....just a guess Can you point to any posts that I've made in the last several months that you would describe as me saying "I am more enlightened than you"?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 2:06:03 GMT -5
Then tell us the difference, please. Are you asking the difference between doing drugs and meditating and Samadhi? Or are you asking what the difference is between drug addiction and the attraction to God Union?
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Post by Reefs on Sept 30, 2013 2:42:57 GMT -5
The "I'm am more enlightened than you game" seems to be a projection of some kind of insecurity in you, and that insecurity sends you on the ofeensive lets be clear, I have no interest in, nor am I going to participate in the armchair psychological personal assessments that happen here
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Post by Reefs on Sept 30, 2013 2:44:36 GMT -5
Then tell us the difference, please. Are you asking the difference between doing drugs and meditating and Samadhi? Or are you asking what the difference is between drug addiction and the attraction to God Union? I'm referring to this: You're completely hooked on an experience no different than a drug addict. It's not off base at all. Would you like to know HOW it is different than a drug addict? Or are you comfortable with just the conjecture?
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Post by Reefs on Sept 30, 2013 2:47:15 GMT -5
Whats your story of why I delete my account from time to time? 4 times in 24 hours is, from time to time!!!!!?!!!?? Bullnutsing alert.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 3:57:18 GMT -5
4 times in 24 hours is, from time to time!!!!!?!!!?? Bullnutsing alert. This kind of thing...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 3:58:26 GMT -5
My understanding is that you deleted it 4 times in one day, which is not "time to time". It is, in fact, curious behavior, and you can't blame anybody for being curious. I would speculate that nobody asked you directly for an explanation because nobody believed you would give an honest answer. Sure enough, when you did give an answer, it doesn't seem to settle the issue. " sometimes it just felt like the right and harmonious thing to do in that moment", on 4 occasions in one day, doesn't smell right either. It seems like the opposite of harmonious. This would be a reasonable answer: "When its a harmonious place for conversation, even if this means lively debate without pettiness, I will have a sit. When the pettiness becomes ridicules, I leave..."if not for the account deletion. You claim Quinn just added in the idea that you may have been just taking a break, but your explanation implies sometimes it is contentious in a particular conversation, and sometimes it's "harmonious", so it does seem like you wish to extricate yourself from particular conversations and not others. I think it's unfair to put it on Quinn, and condescending to advise 'take a breath and read what is written'. My advice would be for YOU to take a breath and read what YOU wrote. He is following an ideal, a concept. Which creates mental tension. That tension causes the hyper-minding. He obviously isn't sure of himself and very aware of his shortcomings. Which could explain the account creation/deletion tic. He seems to be struggling with two opposing forces. He is vacillating between 2 extreme mental positions. position #1:I think your full of shít position #2:I really wish I could give you a hug right now Since position #1 is the most practiced and therefore predominant one, position #2 must sound fake and will probably come across as ESA. However, Steve is not the only one who is trying to embody a very high ideal and regularly falls back into name calling and ESA. And this....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 3:59:03 GMT -5
That actually doesn't answer the question. You can take a break from the forum anytime by just not coming here. No need to delete the account. I wasn't interested in your answer until you gave this one, which skirts the question. Now that's kind of interesting... The whole account deletion thing is whacky. And he knows it. And this...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 3:59:36 GMT -5
There is no single "reason", sometimes it just felt like the right and harmonious thing to do in that moment. Sometimes it's because the conversation amongst the members just takes on an exceedingly petty and contentious tone, which I have no interest in being a part of or engaging in....in some ways this forum is like a sitting circle for discussion, if the discussion gets too heated, unharmonious, petty, and rude, I just get up and walk away so to speak. Also, often, I have noticed that when I share something here, it will be debated seemingly for the sole purpose of debate, and as long as there is someone to debate with, what I have said will be opposed versus explored, so I leave to remove to focal point of contention to allow for exploration without my input. Whats more interesting is why I return.....which in most cases, is because somebody, usually ZD, has written something of merit that is not the petty bickering that goes on here, and is harmonious to discuss. So the short answer to your question is: When its a harmonious place for conversation, even if this means lively debate without pettiness, I will have a sit. When the pettiness becomes ridicules, I leave... unlike many here, I have no need to be here, so when too many of you act a fool, I leave ;-) When you engage in civil discussion, or even robust debate, without personal pettiness and agendas, I come back....its not so complicated. ;-) The pettiness usually comes from folks like you who love to play the "I am more enlightened than you" game. As long as that need to prove something is present there won't be any civil discussions possible because the messenger and the message are inseparable. Which means questioning the message automatically means questioning the messenger. And the messenger usually has an issue with that. And this......
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 4:01:44 GMT -5
He does seem to come with a lot of mental baggage. And this....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 4:02:30 GMT -5
Okay, but thats a bit like saying your car is "pure car"....what kind of car is it? Advaita is an EXTREMELY broad tradition, with countless methods of Sadhana, Dharana, and Dhyana that includes most of the yogic, tantric, meditation methods under it's "umbrella".....Advaita Vedanta is so incredibly diverse that I can't imagine what "Pure Advaita" may be? Advaita is not like other traditions wherein they will espouse one type of method, Advaita is so diverse because people are so diverse, and there are different approaches based on what works for a specific person. I am asking because I was not able to find anything that Mr. Swartz teaches other than contemplation of the vedas and their meaning in one's life, and what they mean with regards to the nature of existence. So I ask: What I bring this up, because many western teachers of advaita have spent little or no time being a sanyasin trained by a teacher, and instead, they read the teachers books, which are usually only a commentary on the vedas, and one's nature....but this is only the tip of the iceberg of Advaita Vedanta. Contemplation and intellectual/emotional realization of one's true nature is only a beginning. Of the teachers listed at Mr. Swartz site, has he spent any time with them at all? If so was it more than just an introductory type retreat? Has any if those teachers named him as a fully realized teacher and authorized him to teach in their lineage? To be clear, even if the answer to all these questions are no, this would not preclude him from teaching IMHO, BUT one should be aware that he is only capable of teaching in so much as the depths that he has plumbed. Kinda like, if you don't know basic Math, then a High School math teacher is of great benefit to you, but if that high school math teacher tells you that their is no more math beyond what they are experienced in, and you have some interest in advanced math, then the teacher who was of benefit will eventually become a liability. I don't know if any of this is accurate about Mr. Swartz, thats why I am asking you questions. Your own posts, when you say things like Samadhi is an irrelevant experience, and if one simply contemplates the vedas and themselves and accept fully what is written, indicate a lack of depth and breadth of experience in Advaita Vedanta....I am curious if this is a result of your teacher yelling you there is no more "math" available. So I ask: What methods does your teacher teach, other than contemplation? Oh, the humanity! And this..........
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 4:03:12 GMT -5
is this thread about whos teacher says the most and therefore better than the one who says fuk-all and refuses to say anything? Egos want the best teacher,so they can feel proud of their powers of perception. Personally, if a bloke or sheila has presence I would STFU an sit quietly there and not bother with words. Have you folk noticed the answers come when you're most comfortable in yourself? They do for me and I'm proud to say I don't have all the answers. Not having the answers delivers me into the most sensitive-place where life is most delectable, most sweet. STFU is ok by me too. When there's a strong sense of accomplishment present, it suddenly sounds all a little odd, even though what has been said is spot on. And this...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 4:04:06 GMT -5
Solid stuff dude... I seem to pick up that Steve is still seeking something from his posts. He most def doesn't appear content with what is.... Although because I don't know him, this may just be a function of his mind body similar to going to work to make money. I want more money to go on bigger and better trips around the world....doesn't mean attachment is there to if that comes to fruition. So I guess we have to take his word that he isn't seeking still? The issue isn't the experience he describes. The need to convince everyone that he really has had that experience and that he therefore is way ahead of everyone else here is a little odd. And this....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 4:10:47 GMT -5
Then tell us the difference, please. Eliminates any possibility of having a viable or healthy discussion about this... spiritualteachers.proboards.com/post/153678When you can act in a civilized manner, and are ready to have an open discussion, and by that I mean a discussion wherein you are genuinely open and curious, instead of just trying to prove a point, I'd be happy to talk with you, until then, best of luck to you.
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Post by Peter on Sept 30, 2013 4:34:33 GMT -5
Steve, you're obviously technically capable of posting a link to a post, so please do so rather than flooding the board like this, and this, and this. Especially when you're bickering with Reefs. You can make your point without forcing a bunch of people (who have no interest in being dragged further down into the mires of samsara) to re-read what was already a quagmire of a conversation the first time round. That there is an official spam warning. I've just spent an hour cleaning up Kitchens from Lancashire and banned Q's account (again) for the same thing, so I'm particularly sensitive to it today.
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