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Post by Reefs on Sept 30, 2013 0:34:32 GMT -5
Would you be able to speak from first hand experience about drug addiction? Yes Then tell us the difference, please.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 30, 2013 0:36:06 GMT -5
When there's a strong sense of accomplishment present, it suddenly sounds all a little odd, even though what has been said is spot on. Are you imagining a sense of accomplishment coming from over here? If you are absorbed in that illusion it may possibly by a reflection creating the illusion. In any case, if you would like to ask instead of surmise, the answer is: I've surrendered the illusion of choice, without choice and autonomy "accomplishment" has very little relevance :-) So, you decided to surrender the illusion of choice?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 0:44:03 GMT -5
I can't imagine how I could answer in a more clear way, but if you really want to ad "layers" and meanings and "interesting" stuff beyond what is written there, then by all means, knock yourself out lol As an aside, you are assuming that when I delete my account, that there is some interest in coming back.....i.e. that there is just a "taking a break" planned. ;-) Get rid of that false assumption, and you might see what was written as face value. Tzu has some really good advice about seeing more than whats actually there.He's a really good examlpe of that if that's what you mean. Haha, I make no claim to that, just that its good advice!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 0:46:46 GMT -5
Male nurse Enigma, "Sure enough, when you did give an answer, it doesn't seem to settle the issue." In your mind, do you need settling? or are you speculating(assuming) that steve has the Power to pacify the other folks mental-insecurities by speaking his truth? Haha, exactly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 0:47:26 GMT -5
No to the first question and yes to the second? Bingo!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 0:48:31 GMT -5
Are you imagining a sense of accomplishment coming from over here? If you are absorbed in that illusion it may possibly by a reflection creating the illusion. In any case, if you would like to ask instead of surmise, the answer is: I've surrendered the illusion of choice, without choice and autonomy "accomplishment" has very little relevance :-) So, you decided to surrender the illusion of choice? Sigh
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Post by Reefs on Sept 30, 2013 0:56:48 GMT -5
Sigh... I really wish I could give you a hug right now Reefs. But in the absence of physical presence, just please know, that everything is going to be alright, you do not need to be overcome by fear, anger, and suspicion.... Whatever demons you are seeing are only your imagination....everything is going to be alright son. ESA.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 30, 2013 1:02:24 GMT -5
So why are you deleting and recreating accounts? Present estimates say that there have been at least 10, since your first return with the SOG account a few months back. There is no single "reason", sometimes it just felt like the right and harmonious thing to do in that moment. Sometimes it's because the conversation amongst the members just takes on an exceedingly petty and contentious tone, which I have no interest in being a part of or engaging in....in some ways this forum is like a sitting circle for discussion, if the discussion gets too heated, unharmonious, petty, and rude, I just get up and walk away so to speak. Also, often, I have noticed that when I share something here, it will be debated seemingly for the sole purpose of debate, and as long as there is someone to debate with, what I have said will be opposed versus explored, so I leave to remove to focal point of contention to allow for exploration without my input. Whats more interesting is why I return.....which in most cases, is because somebody, usually ZD, has written something of merit that is not the petty bickering that goes on here, and is harmonious to discuss. So the short answer to your question is: When its a harmonious place for conversation, even if this means lively debate without pettiness, I will have a sit. When the pettiness becomes ridicules, I leave... unlike many here, I have no need to be here, so when too many of you act a fool, I leave ;-) When you engage in civil discussion, or even robust debate, without personal pettiness and agendas, I come back....its not so complicated. ;-) The pettiness usually comes from folks like you who love to play the "I am more enlightened than you" game. As long as that need to prove something is present there won't be any civil discussions possible because the messenger and the message are inseparable. Which means questioning the message automatically means questioning the messenger. And the messenger usually has an issue with that.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 30, 2013 1:05:09 GMT -5
There is no single "reason", sometimes it just felt like the right and harmonious thing to do in that moment. Sometimes it's because the conversation amongst the members just takes on an exceedingly petty and contentious tone, which I have no interest in being a part of or engaging in....in some ways this forum is like a sitting circle for discussion, if the discussion gets too heated, unharmonious, petty, and rude, I just get up and walk away so to speak. Also, often, I have noticed that when I share something here, it will be debated seemingly for the sole purpose of debate, and as long as there is someone to debate with, what I have said will be opposed versus explored, so I leave to remove to focal point of contention to allow for exploration without my input. Whats more interesting is why I return.....which in most cases, is because somebody, usually ZD, has written something of merit that is not the petty bickering that goes on here, and is harmonious to discuss. So the short answer to your question is: When its a harmonious place for conversation, even if this means lively debate without pettiness, I will have a sit. When the pettiness becomes ridicules, I leave... unlike many here, I have no need to be here, so when too many of you act a fool, I leave ;-) When you engage in civil discussion, or even robust debate, without personal pettiness and agendas, I come back....its not so complicated. ;-) That actually doesn't answer the question. You can take a break from the forum anytime by just not coming here. No need to delete the account. I wasn't interested in your answer until you gave this one, which skirts the question. Now that's kind of interesting... The whole account deletion thing is whacky. And he knows it.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 30, 2013 1:06:55 GMT -5
Wow And Oddly, you actually deleted the part where I gave you additional clarification in your response. Quinn.....take a deep breath, and read what was written, without assuming that there MUST be more to it, and accept whats there....its not complicated unless you want it to be and make it so. So lets just skip the back and forth, and lets hear your vision of why you think I deleted my account several times, since my own explaination, from the horse's mouth so to soeak, has not satisfied you. Whats your story of why I delete my account from time to time? Ok - well, first off, I didn't delete anything. These are the way I see the posts. Does the new browser go ahead and post when you hit preview or something? The first one only had what I quoted. The second one only said "Wow". Anyway...I went back and read the rest. So if I'm reading it correctly, you're saying that you have no plans to come back when you delete? Even when it's the next day or two? If so, you're right - I did make an assumption there. When you come back that many times, it didn't occur to me that each time you leave you plan for it to be permanent. So that's kind of fascinating. In answer to your last question, I don't know. If I had to guess, I would say it could be anger or it could be that you want to 'start fresh' or you don't want Reefs searching on your name. Those seem plausible to me, but I was asking because I didn't know. You have to admit, it is a little unusual. * contains euphemism *
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Post by Reefs on Sept 30, 2013 1:27:05 GMT -5
Wow And Oddly, you actually deleted the part where I gave you additional clarification in your response. Quinn.....take a deep breath, and read what was written, without assuming that there MUST be more to it, and accept whats there....its not complicated unless you want it to be and make it so. So lets just skip the back and forth, and lets hear your vision of why you think I deleted my account several times, since my own explaination, from the horse's mouth so to soeak, has not satisfied you. Whats your story of why I delete my account from time to time? My understanding is that you deleted it 4 times in one day, which is not "time to time". It is, in fact, curious behavior, and you can't blame anybody for being curious. I would speculate that nobody asked you directly for an explanation because nobody believed you would give an honest answer. Sure enough, when you did give an answer, it doesn't seem to settle the issue. " sometimes it just felt like the right and harmonious thing to do in that moment", on 4 occasions in one day, doesn't smell right either. It seems like the opposite of harmonious. This would be a reasonable answer: "When its a harmonious place for conversation, even if this means lively debate without pettiness, I will have a sit. When the pettiness becomes ridicules, I leave..."if not for the account deletion. You claim Quinn just added in the idea that you may have been just taking a break, but your explanation implies sometimes it is contentious in a particular conversation, and sometimes it's "harmonious", so it does seem like you wish to extricate yourself from particular conversations and not others. I think it's unfair to put it on Quinn, and condescending to advise 'take a breath and read what is written'. My advice would be for YOU to take a breath and read what YOU wrote. He is following an ideal, a concept. Which creates mental tension. That tension causes the hyper-minding. He obviously isn't sure of himself and very aware of his shortcomings. Which could explain the account creation/deletion tic. He seems to be struggling with two opposing forces. He is vacillating between 2 extreme mental positions. position #1:I think your full of shít position #2:I really wish I could give you a hug right now Since position #1 is the most practiced and therefore predominant one, position #2 must sound fake and will probably come across as ESA. However, Steve is not the only one who is trying to embody a very high ideal and regularly falls back into name calling and ESA.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 30, 2013 1:37:03 GMT -5
No to the first question and yes to the second? Bingo! So you are not 100% certain that you are not just tripping again but you are absolutely certain that your samadhi is the real deal.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 30, 2013 1:46:13 GMT -5
So, you decided to surrender the illusion of choice? Sigh Sigh as much as you wish. Fact is you are talking nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 1:48:56 GMT -5
Whats your story of why I delete my account from time to time? 4 times in 24 hours is, from time to time!!!!!?!!!??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 1:54:21 GMT -5
You claimed that by my asking alfio whether he remembered the man that wore his previous incarnation as acewall, I or he are absorbed in the past. I've then opened up an inquiry into the nature of remembering and when it happens and now you're claiming I have a strawman. (Whatever that's supposed to imply now.) Obviously, everything is 'being done' now. What it means to be in the present is to not be thinking of the past or projecting into the future. I don't understand why he couldn't harmoniously tell me, that remembering could be done in the present..
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