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Post by quinn on Sept 16, 2013 19:41:26 GMT -5
Ha ha.. yes but... LOVE is not always happy, is it? I wasn't just talking about the love of hearts romance and flowers... I was talking about the love that can and will break your heart in two... after scaring you to death... and making you question everything you thought you knew.. Ah...that's pretty far away from corny. Yes. They seem to be able to bounce back quickly from questions that unsettle them, too. Handy dandy skill.
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Post by laughter on Sept 16, 2013 19:56:43 GMT -5
It means the search is based on a misconception; an erroneous idea. Well, like I said to Reefs, too bad we can't call him up. Seems to me, you're both taking the term "unconscious" in that quote as something negative. Isn't it possible there could be an unconscious movement towards realization? A 'call home', so to speak. Anyway, that's how I read it. I read it to mean that the everyday life of any fully body/mind-identified Joe Schmoe is just as much a search for the truth as the life of a shaved-head, mountain-dwelling vegan 12-hour-a-day-meditating Zen Monk.
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Post by enigma on Sept 16, 2013 20:16:43 GMT -5
"Our search for happiness is an unconscious search for our true Self." Papaji Eh, this sounds like something people would circulate on Facebook for the Like's.. It seems to me that a lot of people are pretty happy conducting searches that are in exact opposite direction of their true Self. In other words, maybe it's more true that "Our avoidance of finding true Self/pretending we don't know who we are is our unconscious search for happiness." I throw that out for discussion... what do you think? Yes, seems more better truerer to me. Or at least more to the point.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 16, 2013 23:44:03 GMT -5
"Our search for happiness is an unconscious search for our true Self." Papaji How is this different than "you are what you seek"? A bit more fleshy. Well, 'you are what you seek' has already become a proverb.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 16, 2013 23:45:52 GMT -5
If you take happiness as the conceptual version of your natural state, then yes. Another take on it would be that the misconception begins where the unconsciousness ends ... not that there's anything wrong with that! Well, I dunno your definition of 'unconscious'. There are several possible definitions.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 16, 2013 23:48:44 GMT -5
There's no need here to proclaim that there is no need to delineate clearly. That's what it means to finally have come around fully. Only when the need to proclaim that there is no need has been released we can freely delineate in black/white without twilight zones. Who's proclaiming? I'm trying to put into words where the urge to seek is tied into self-hood, that one is a movement of the other. I wasn't trying to give you a lesson or something. What...did you do that? Who are you speaking for? Why? Who knows how recognition comes about? To say the search has nothing to do with it is to say you know what does. Wow. Too bad we can't call him up and ask. That's TOADALLY different from how I read it. Well, I didn't get the feeling you were catching my drift so I was a little playful there with you. Just ignore it if it irritates you.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 16, 2013 23:51:55 GMT -5
It means the search is based on a misconception; an erroneous idea. Well, like I said to Reefs, too bad we can't call him up. Seems to me, you're both taking the term "unconscious" in that quote as something negative. Isn't it possible there could be an unconscious movement towards realization? A 'call home', so to speak. Anyway, that's how I read it. Like I said to Laughter, if happiness is seen as the conceptualized version of the natural state then the search for happiness is just following the conceptualized version of the natural homing signal.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 16, 2013 23:52:59 GMT -5
Well, like I said to Reefs, too bad we can't call him up. Seems to me, you're both taking the term "unconscious" in that quote as something negative. Isn't it possible there could be an unconscious movement towards realization? A 'call home', so to speak. Anyway, that's how I read it. My conscious self is sincerely praying that its unconscious self knows where it's going, cuz this conscious self ain't got no clue. I against I, eh?
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Post by Reefs on Sept 16, 2013 23:56:30 GMT -5
In a different way it could simply be said that the thought which one sees themselves as being the thinker of, creates a consistent constriction throughout the body and mind. No matter how useful or valuable this movement of thought is seen to be, the underlying suffering that is imposed as a result can neverbe fully ignored. There becomes a consistent level of tension and unease that underlies all of ones experience. The very same movement of thought that daydreams about the end of this tension is itself the cause and so the whole thing is total insanity. Yup, that's the dilemma. I'd be interested to hear Steve's take on this with his woo stuff background.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 16, 2013 23:57:27 GMT -5
In a different way it could simply be said that the thought which one sees themselves as being the thinker of, creates a consistent constriction throughout the body and mind. No matter how useful or valuable this movement of thought is seen to be, the underlying suffering that is imposed as a result can never be fully ignored. There becomes a consistent level of tension and unease that underlies all of ones experience. The very same movement of thought that daydreams about the end of this tension is itself the cause and so the whole thing is total insanity. That is all true, but it leaves out another movement. It could be called intuition, although I don't like that word much cause it conjures up thoughts of higher selves or some such thing. But something like intuition, which points away from that tension. Yeah, intuition. But what is intuition?
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Post by Reefs on Sept 16, 2013 23:59:08 GMT -5
"Our search for happiness is an unconscious search for our true Self." Papaji Eh, this sounds like something people would circulate on Facebook for the Like's.. It seems to me that a lot of people are pretty happy conducting searches that are in exact opposite direction of their true Self. In other words, maybe it's more true that "Our avoidance of finding true Self/pretending we don't know who we are is our unconscious search for happiness." I throw that out for discussion... what do you think?Brain twister.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 17, 2013 0:00:53 GMT -5
"Our search for happiness is an unconscious search for our true Self." Papaji Happiness is such a small, inconsequential thing, as compared to alert awareness and the merging/loss of Self into thisness. That may not be a romantic view from the individuated perspective, but in alert awareness and the incomprehensible oneness of THIS, the romantic view is also small and inconsequential. Depends on your definition of happiness. How do you define it?
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Post by Reefs on Sept 17, 2013 0:08:23 GMT -5
Well, like I said to Reefs, too bad we can't call him up. Seems to me, you're both taking the term "unconscious" in that quote as something negative. Isn't it possible there could be an unconscious movement towards realization? A 'call home', so to speak. Anyway, that's how I read it. I read it to mean that the everyday life of any fully body/mind-identified Joe Schmoe is just as much a search for the truth as the life of a shaved-head, mountain-dwelling vegan 12-hour-a-day-meditating Zen Monk. Well, let's just say they all follow a natural call on different conceptual levels. So, basically there's no difference between Joe and Mr Vegan. They both follow a concept, they both act on a misconception, they both take the conceptual overlay for real.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 0:40:11 GMT -5
Happiness is such a small, inconsequential thing, as compared to alert awareness and the merging/loss of Self into thisness. That may not be a romantic view from the individuated perspective, but in alert awareness and the incomprehensible oneness of THIS, the romantic view is also small and inconsequential. Depends on your definition of happiness. How do you define it? As a state of emotional/physical enjoyment that permeates the body/mind, typically related to an event or experience.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 17, 2013 0:43:01 GMT -5
Depends on your definition of happiness. How do you define it? As a state of emotional/physical enjoyment that permeates the body/mind, typically related to an event or experience. Pleasure?
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