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Post by laughter on Sept 16, 2013 9:19:59 GMT -5
Ties in happiness and seeking consciously or not. Ah yes, the Maserati. Wouldn't want to be asleep at the wheel in one o' those! They go fast!
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Post by laughter on Sept 16, 2013 9:39:07 GMT -5
One tip I'm exploring at the very moment, is a hasty turning away from confusion. Not like you're missing anything in the turning! -- the internal narrative: "but! but! ..." ha! ha! I'm thinking sticking with confusion a bit longer, soaking in the accompanying discomfort rather than striking out for clearer horizons, might be fruitful in some way. .... (slow this morning!)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2013 10:57:45 GMT -5
One tip I'm exploring at the very moment, is a hasty turning away from confusion. I'm thinking sticking with confusion a bit longer, soaking in the accompanying discomfort rather than striking out for clearer horizons, might be fruitful in some way. .... (slow this morning!)slow, like a glacier shedding shards of its extremities into the heaving bay as it retreats grinding stone to dust
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Post by quinn on Sept 16, 2013 11:10:01 GMT -5
There isn't a black and white delineation between the conceptual and the non-conceptual in the sense that all arises from emptiness. They are two aspects of the same thing. So 'the search', while it's in the realm of the conceptual, is an emanation from what you're calling the non-conceptual. Everything is. There's no need here to proclaim that there is no need to delineate clearly. That's what it means to finally have come around fully. Only when the need to proclaim that there is no need has been released we can freely delineate in black/white without twilight zones. Who's proclaiming? I'm trying to put into words where the urge to seek is tied into self-hood, that one is a movement of the other. I wasn't trying to give you a lesson or something. What...did you do that? Who are you speaking for? Why? Who knows how recognition comes about? To say the search has nothing to do with it is to say you know what does. Wow. Too bad we can't call him up and ask. That's TOADALLY different from how I read it.
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Post by quinn on Sept 16, 2013 11:17:59 GMT -5
I don't think that's a possibility. If you take 'conceived' to mean born of, like the seed of something - then misconceived means that the original seed of that desire to search was wrong. Of course, it's not. Besides, that would render the whole quote misconceived The search is the search, and it's exactly what needs to happen when it does. It can go astray, but it can never be misconceived. It means the search is based on a misconception; an erroneous idea. Well, like I said to Reefs, too bad we can't call him up. Seems to me, you're both taking the term "unconscious" in that quote as something negative. Isn't it possible there could be an unconscious movement towards realization? A 'call home', so to speak. Anyway, that's how I read it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2013 12:06:11 GMT -5
It means the search is based on a misconception; an erroneous idea. Well, like I said to Reefs, too bad we can't call him up. Seems to me, you're both taking the term "unconscious" in that quote as something negative. Isn't it possible there could be an unconscious movement towards realization? A 'call home', so to speak. Anyway, that's how I read it. My conscious self is sincerely praying that its unconscious self knows where it's going, cuz this conscious self ain't got no clue.
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Post by quinn on Sept 16, 2013 13:01:11 GMT -5
Well, like I said to Reefs, too bad we can't call him up. Seems to me, you're both taking the term "unconscious" in that quote as something negative. Isn't it possible there could be an unconscious movement towards realization? A 'call home', so to speak. Anyway, that's how I read it. My conscious self is sincerely praying that its unconscious self knows where it's going, cuz this conscious self ain't got no clue. I sincerely believe it does.
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Post by silence on Sept 16, 2013 16:16:42 GMT -5
In a different way it could simply be said that the thought which one sees themselves as being the thinker of, creates a consistent constriction throughout the body and mind. No matter how useful or valuable this movement of thought is seen to be, the underlying suffering that is imposed as a result can never be fully ignored. There becomes a consistent level of tension and unease that underlies all of ones experience. The very same movement of thought that daydreams about the end of this tension is itself the cause and so the whole thing is total insanity.
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Post by quinn on Sept 16, 2013 16:58:32 GMT -5
In a different way it could simply be said that the thought which one sees themselves as being the thinker of, creates a consistent constriction throughout the body and mind. No matter how useful or valuable this movement of thought is seen to be, the underlying suffering that is imposed as a result can never be fully ignored. There becomes a consistent level of tension and unease that underlies all of ones experience. The very same movement of thought that daydreams about the end of this tension is itself the cause and so the whole thing is total insanity. That is all true, but it leaves out another movement. It could be called intuition, although I don't like that word much cause it conjures up thoughts of higher selves or some such thing. But something like intuition, which points away from that tension.
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Post by enigma on Sept 16, 2013 18:26:34 GMT -5
It means the search is based on a misconception; an erroneous idea. Well, like I said to Reefs, too bad we can't call him up. Seems to me, you're both taking the term "unconscious" in that quote as something negative. Isn't it possible there could be an unconscious movement towards realization? A 'call home', so to speak. Anyway, that's how I read it. Yeah, I guess that's how the term was used in the quote. All's I'm saying is the search is based on a misconception. I didn't mean to say anything about the quote.
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Post by quinn on Sept 16, 2013 19:02:29 GMT -5
Well, like I said to Reefs, too bad we can't call him up. Seems to me, you're both taking the term "unconscious" in that quote as something negative. Isn't it possible there could be an unconscious movement towards realization? A 'call home', so to speak. Anyway, that's how I read it. Yeah, I guess that's how the term was used in the quote. All's I'm saying is the search is based on a misconception. I didn't mean to say anything about the quote. Gotcha. Yeah.
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Post by serpentqueen on Sept 16, 2013 19:06:38 GMT -5
"Our search for happiness is an unconscious search for our true Self." Papaji Eh, this sounds like something people would circulate on Facebook for the Like's.. It seems to me that a lot of people are pretty happy conducting searches that are in exact opposite direction of their true Self. In other words, maybe it's more true that "Our avoidance of finding true Self/pretending we don't know who we are is our unconscious search for happiness." I throw that out for discussion... what do you think?
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Post by quinn on Sept 16, 2013 19:17:20 GMT -5
"Our search for happiness is an unconscious search for our true Self." Papaji Eh, this sounds like something people would circulate on Facebook for the Like's.. Is this the cynic that wrote something about Love in another thread? I would question the "pretty happy" part. Granted, I only know a couple of 'spiritual' people in my walking-around world, but they seem quietly tortured to me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2013 19:28:17 GMT -5
"Our search for happiness is an unconscious search for our true Self." Papaji Happiness is such a small, inconsequential thing, as compared to alert awareness and the merging/loss of Self into thisness. That may not be a romantic view from the individuated perspective, but in alert awareness and the incomprehensible oneness of THIS, the romantic view is also small and inconsequential.
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Post by serpentqueen on Sept 16, 2013 19:30:08 GMT -5
Eh, this sounds like something people would circulate on Facebook for the Like's.. Is this the cynic that wrote something about Love in another thread? I would question the "pretty happy" part. Granted, I only know a couple of 'spiritual' people in my walking-around world, but they seem quietly tortured to me.
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