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Post by enigma on Jan 30, 2011 1:58:06 GMT -5
Lots of stuff works for a while. That's what keeps the gerbil spinning on his wheel.
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 30, 2011 2:20:36 GMT -5
one thing for sure doing nothing and letting your habits control your life does not let you progress at all. The worst sin you can commit is thinking you are awake and there is nothing to do. Don't misunderstand me true living requires you to be very present 24/7 plus it gives you peace all the time. Ramesh had 60 years of peace so I am not concern about a expiration date. IT just sounds like you have a excuse for everything that would require a little effort on your part. I find that to be very sad. You write very well and your intelligent but you have not got it yet and probably never will unless you get a attitude change.
Michael
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 30, 2011 2:36:58 GMT -5
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Post by sharon on Jan 30, 2011 4:52:49 GMT -5
"yes" Good. "and it would do you good Sharon to watch the video I uploaded." Your altruism is getting quite stale now Michael. "This is the problem with just words." There isn't any problem with words. There will always be a problem what the clarity of what a concept means though. Language is fine. It speaks, hearing happens. Simple. "And yes he did show how to live your life always in peace. Hey if you wish to be out of peace that's your choice." Do you come 'out of peace' to keep writing in here? "I am at peace always." Ahhhh I'm proper chuffed for you man
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2011 7:13:10 GMT -5
This is, literally, crazy. I still think I'm in thought, while I claim to know that I'm the space in which everything appears. on craziness: yes and no. those two statements "I still think I'm in thought" and "I claim to know that I'm in space" may appear to be a living contradiction. but they're basically the same because they both rely on there being a you there. so there is no inconsistency and thus no craziness, if by crazy you mean holding two opposites at the same time. but yea, you are crazy. the contradiction is between reality where there is no you (and there are no contradictions), and the imagined, where there is one (and where there are percieved contradictions, including this one). go with the crazy. like fear and others, it is pointing to a contradiction that is imagined only. there is no you. have you really looked to see if this is true? it sounds like you understand it but have not actually seen the truth of it.
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 30, 2011 12:36:02 GMT -5
"yes" Good. "and it would do you good Sharon to watch the video I uploaded." Your altruism is getting quite stale now Michael. "This is the problem with just words." There isn't any problem with words. There will always be a problem what the clarity of what a concept means though. Language is fine. It speaks, hearing happens. Simple. "And yes he did show how to live your life always in peace. Hey if you wish to be out of peace that's your choice." Do you come 'out of peace' to keep writing in here? "I am at peace always." Ahhhh I'm proper chuffed for you man
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Post by sharon on Jan 30, 2011 12:48:01 GMT -5
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Post by frankshank on Jan 30, 2011 12:54:59 GMT -5
I think romance is on the cards! ;D
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Post by zendancer on Jan 30, 2011 13:22:54 GMT -5
'Not the doer' is not a 'way' that can be tried and found to 'work', which implies a doer. The doer remains in the guise of a non-doer. Ramesh was not teaching a method of living in which a happy life can be had, he was pointing to the realization that the one apparently living that life and trying to make it a happy one is just an assumption; a rather problematic one. Life does get simpler and less dramatic with allowance and acceptance, (which apparently is what's being referred to) and for a time it can even seem happier, but only in contrast to how it was. This relative standard of 'how it was' will eventually fade along with the perception that it is a happy life being lived. With the realization (not the practice of a method of living) that you are not the one living that life, there is a falling back into ones true nature from which this life, and all lives, are merely appearances, and the hapless happy/unhappy traveler appears and does his happy/unhappy thang, which can never really affect you in any way. Peace is your nature regardless of whether the Whole Foods experience is a happy one or not. Totally agree. Of course the point of my Whole Foods post had nothing to do with happiness, unhappiness, experiences of any kind, or even a peaceful life. It was pointing to something else entirely, but I guess I failed again. LOL.
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Post by therealfake on Jan 30, 2011 13:51:22 GMT -5
I wouldn't expect anything less from a self-image... (Pulls curtains back) I am the truth, why would I need to know, what I already am... Just how far away do you think the truth is? Ah...I need a boat, seems kind of useless for such a short trip... So if that's all it takes Micheal, why can't you see that your already God (Shiva, the unknowable)?
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Post by therealfake on Jan 30, 2011 13:59:02 GMT -5
'Not the doer' is not a 'way' that can be tried and found to 'work', which implies a doer. The doer remains in the guise of a non-doer. Ramesh was not teaching a method of living in which a happy life can be had, he was pointing to the realization that the one apparently living that life and trying to make it a happy one is just an assumption; a rather problematic one. Life does get simpler and less dramatic with allowance and acceptance, (which apparently is what's being referred to) and for a time it can even seem happier, but only in contrast to how it was. This relative standard of 'how it was' will eventually fade along with the perception that it is a happy life being lived. With the realization (not the practice of a method of living) that you are not the one living that life, there is a falling back into ones true nature from which this life, and all lives, are merely appearances, and the hapless happy/unhappy traveler appears and does his happy/unhappy thang, which can never really affect you in any way. Peace is your nature regardless of whether the Whole Foods experience is a happy one or not. Totally agree. Of course the point of my Whole Foods post had nothing to do with happiness, unhappiness, experiences of any kind, or even a peaceful life. It was pointing to something else entirely, but I guess I failed again. LOL. I got it and it had to do with the 'meaningless', which is a relative truth or reality, to the real truth... ...or maybe I didn't. lol
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 30, 2011 14:13:37 GMT -5
'Not the doer' is not a 'way' that can be tried and found to 'work', which implies a doer. The doer remains in the guise of a non-doer. Ramesh was not teaching a method of living in which a happy life can be had, he was pointing to the realization that the one apparently living that life and trying to make it a happy one is just an assumption; a rather problematic one. Life does get simpler and less dramatic with allowance and acceptance, (which apparently is what's being referred to) and for a time it can even seem happier, but only in contrast to how it was. This relative standard of 'how it was' will eventually fade along with the perception that it is a happy life being lived. With the realization (not the practice of a method of living) that you are not the one living that life, there is a falling back into ones true nature from which this life, and all lives, are merely appearances, and the hapless happy/unhappy traveler appears and does his happy/unhappy thang, which can never really affect you in any way. Peace is your nature regardless of whether the Whole Foods experience is a happy one or not. Totally agree. Of course the point of my Whole Foods post had nothing to do with happiness, unhappiness, experiences of any kind, or even a peaceful life. It was pointing to something else entirely, but I guess I failed again. LOL. ZD you do know that agreement is highly overrated. I wonder ow many members actually live a life of complete surrender to what is and do not get involved with the mind and thinking about it. If there is more than 2 here including myself I would be surprise. Again words mean less than nothing anyone can say whatever they wish and some are much better at selling a pitch than others. The only way you see and find truth is by living it and then sharing it but never by just posting something that sounds good. So far for me living a life as Ramesh says has worked 100%. Now it's far from easy when you begin and that's why I be surprise if more than 2 active members have tried. It does get much easier after a while. Also it's much too simple for a lot of the posters here that tend to go overboard by the intellect. For my it is a freeing experience always. Michael
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Post by enigma on Jan 30, 2011 14:28:23 GMT -5
'Not the doer' is not a 'way' that can be tried and found to 'work', which implies a doer. The doer remains in the guise of a non-doer. Ramesh was not teaching a method of living in which a happy life can be had, he was pointing to the realization that the one apparently living that life and trying to make it a happy one is just an assumption; a rather problematic one. Life does get simpler and less dramatic with allowance and acceptance, (which apparently is what's being referred to) and for a time it can even seem happier, but only in contrast to how it was. This relative standard of 'how it was' will eventually fade along with the perception that it is a happy life being lived. With the realization (not the practice of a method of living) that you are not the one living that life, there is a falling back into ones true nature from which this life, and all lives, are merely appearances, and the hapless happy/unhappy traveler appears and does his happy/unhappy thang, which can never really affect you in any way. Peace is your nature regardless of whether the Whole Foods experience is a happy one or not. Totally agree. Of course the point of my Whole Foods post had nothing to do with happiness, unhappiness, experiences of any kind, or even a peaceful life. It was pointing to something else entirely, but I guess I failed again. LOL. Oh, yeah, Zen, I figured you were just pointing to THIS, which happened to be milling about at Whole foods at the time. I just tossed a little whole food into my chat with Rhudolph cause he seemed to have a vitamin deficiency.
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 30, 2011 16:13:46 GMT -5
he he You guys should stop with if you are a doer or not then get off your butt and just do it for a week and see. I always put action far above words no matter how well they are written they are still empty but if you are mature enough to just follow my True Living for a week and take notes and be honest then that is something.
True Living To allow and surrender to what ever happens next or to what is. To never get involved in what happens next or what is. To not invest in thoughts, knowing they are never yours and just be to whatever happens next.
This is all that ever needs to be done. It seems simple and it is but it does take practice in order to get rid of your bad habits. The result in doing this are almost immediate. You stay connected to Source by not going along with any thoughts that come up. The end result is you are always at peace.
Michael
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Post by enigma on Jan 30, 2011 17:19:43 GMT -5
Michael, what you describe is part of every serious seeker's path, (allowing, surrender, detachment, non-doership) and I agree it's useful and usually required, and a significant increase in quality of life and reduction of nonsense thinking and gerbil spinning will result and will be experienced for a time, but like all experiences it won't last. At some point, you'll get on with it. The only question is, can we tolerate your condescending teachings until then? Hehe.
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