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Post by violet on Feb 8, 2011 22:00:00 GMT -5
Wow. Interesting discussion. Jeff Foster, in a couple of his talks, has said. (Paraphrased) 'People think Jeff must have found what he was looking for or he wouldn't be here talking about it, but Jeff never found what he was looking for..... Jeff failed to awaken.' This whole bag has just occurred to me. It never fails to amaze me the way something can be heard/read a thousand times, not understood and then one day it just is. It’s the strangest, funniest thing.
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Post by michaelsees on Feb 8, 2011 22:07:19 GMT -5
Jeff Foster, in a couple of his talks, has said. (Paraphrased) 'People think Jeff must have found what he was looking for or he wouldn't be here talking about it, but Jeff never found what he was looking for..... Jeff failed to awaken.' Exactly and I am sure you know what that means. Jeff as well as any other half way decent non dual whatever knows that this"awakening as per Jeff Foster, Ramana, Enigma, ZD does not exist for they do not exist. Jeff talks about a falling into what is. In the link I posted he tells you this. I am sure you know this Enigma I am just adding on here in case someone comes in and picks this single post up which then can be confusing. Michael
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Post by enigma on Feb 9, 2011 2:19:56 GMT -5
Yup. Cool avatar. I had to 'steel' it for our Squirrel satsangs.
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Post by therealfake on Feb 9, 2011 9:26:24 GMT -5
Yes, Micheal, ...'from what I see'...just exactly, where is this seeing centered or coming from? You see, your trying to form a higher opinion, using the very same instrument that your denouncing as pure folly. You do see the folly in that don't you? Or do you believe that your folly has some greater importance or value? If you think so than you think so and so be it it. I will say again with respect I see what you are doing and it has nothing to do with what you think it does but that's fine. You seem to have this thing with awaken or not or thinking how it is when awakening comes etc. TRF awakening comes to no person, think about it how can it? Is there really a person to be awaken? But back up lets not go even that far do you see the folly of putting on limitations of what awakening is when it comes to no one or more to the point has not come to you? Yes people will say I woke up and I would ask who woke up because clearly there is no you or is there do you really believe we have all these selves covering a whole world and these proposed selves are all waking up when in truth as David Carse says there is no one home? You the you that is not real is free to believe whatever it wants does it make it so? Does it make what I am typing here so? I can go on and on with this but why, no need to make you wrong , me right or you right , me wrong the point is until you see the understanding of what is it's pure folly to say that it does not include something. I can say in truth it has to includes all for all is what is. In truth there is one not 2 which means all that is, is a river of consciousness flowing doing it's thing and I will tell you it is still 1 not 2. Michael Nice post Michael and I have no problem with what your saying. But, you failed to answer my question about your center of seeing and your own folly. Michael, there are no small or grandiose, better or worse, important or less important illusions, just illusions. Sometimes we have to be reminded of that...
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Post by michaelsees on Feb 9, 2011 12:26:33 GMT -5
remember everything IS including what is called illusion. Advaita = 1 without a second and in this 1 is nothing and everything. Michael
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Post by therealfake on Feb 9, 2011 18:11:29 GMT -5
remember everything IS including what is called illusion. Advaita = 1 without a second and in this 1 is nothing and everything. Michael And if what Is, is means hiding behind what Is, then that's what Is... What Is, can be an excuse for all sorts of indiscretions, like 'sorry I'm mugging you dude, it's what Is' or I'm acting like a jerk to my wife, because that's what Is... Or I don't have to be responsible, because that's what Is... I can destroy the environment, cause it's what Is... I can lie and cheat cause it's what Is... I can pretend to be awakened because that's what Is See where this is going.... What Is, is a concept of the mind, and thus an illusion. But you probably already knew that, because it's what Is...
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Post by ivory on Feb 9, 2011 18:39:07 GMT -5
haha
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Post by michaelsees on Feb 9, 2011 18:46:02 GMT -5
remember everything IS including what is called illusion. Advaita = 1 without a second and in this 1 is nothing and everything. Michael And if what Is, is means hiding behind what Is, then that's what Is... What Is, can be an excuse for all sorts of indiscretions, like 'sorry I'm mugging you dude, it's what Is' or I'm acting like a jerk to my wife, because that's what Is... Or I don't have to be responsible, because that's what Is... I can destroy the environment, cause it's what Is... I can lie and cheat cause it's what Is... I can pretend to be awakened because that's what Is See where this is going.... What Is, is a concept of the mind, and thus an illusion. But you probably already knew that, because it's what Is... TRF I thought we had this talk already. Pretend who is awaken? Is there really a TRF to be awaken. Don't you see you are just mind going in boring circles. Don't think that's a good first step. What is , is all what is and includes all because without all you can never have what is. Remember 1 not 2 or 3 million parts. Michael
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Post by angela on Feb 9, 2011 19:33:51 GMT -5
adyashanti says
"that whole neo advita thing about everyone being awake is true. yeah. but fat lot of good it does you if you don't really get it."
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Post by michaelsees on Feb 9, 2011 19:56:23 GMT -5
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