bruppy
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Post by bruppy on Jan 28, 2011 16:24:14 GMT -5
Alright people, There is no more voice saying “I am aware of thought”. There is awareness of all thought, automatically, effortlessly. It comes, it’s noticed. To say “I noticed the noticing” is also noticed as thought and as false. What now? Point. On with the paradoxes!  So is this the same for all of the functioning, and not just thought? |
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Post by park on Jan 28, 2011 16:40:32 GMT -5
Yes. Although, apparently, I am back to being more locked up in the mind at this moment.
It's a belief, yes, a powerful one though.
The mind is not "existing". I (individual) am in the mind. There is existing, but not in the mind. Repeat...
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 28, 2011 16:40:52 GMT -5
I could say "yeah, whatever will happen next, will happen next, as there is no control". But, that would not cut it. Actually this cuts it very nicely. Ramesh Balsekar entire teaching is based on this. The key to true happiness is to live by knowing you are not the do-er and whatever happens next can never be controlled or changed, therefore you never become involved with any kind of thoughts which keeps your connection with Source strong with no disconnect. This is the way to live in true happiness. A shorter way of saying this is whenever you disconnect from Source by investing into thoughts by your ego/mind you can be sure this will lead to unhappiness. The reason why you say this will not cut it has to do with your mind not wanting to accept the truth so you will continue to chase shadows. Michael |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 21:55:55 GMT -5
I think this is the problem: There is "being". At this very moment, it's nothing special, but it's the feeling of being, not a something, not somewhere or anything like that. The mind says "it's me". I do see it's not the mind's being (or that the mind is actually "being"), but the beings mind. But, it does not give up yet. Basically, the mind will always bring up: "OK, I'm not this, but I must be something". The mind wants to find and to be something tangible, but that's not possible. And YET it will not give up. have you considered that it will never give up? whether it will or not is a different matter. "It's me" comes and goes. whatever. nothing special. giving it some life by thinking that it should be giving up may be just the sustenance it needs. |
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Post by park on Jan 28, 2011 22:45:26 GMT -5
How does my mind accept the truth?
No, I did not consider that.
That might be some good advice.
This is, literally, crazy. I still think I'm in thought, while I claim to "know" that I'm the space in which everything appears.
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 28, 2011 23:05:36 GMT -5
Easy first rule for seekers is Do not make it harder that it is. All you need to do is accept everything that happens is beyond your control. IOW just let things happen and learn to be with whatever happens next. Some teachers such as Ramesh call it by Divine law everything happens, you can use God, Universe etc whatever works for you. The key is for you to just be a observer and not a participant. This is what I call true living and you do not need to be awaken to practice this anyone can. Here's a simple example you are driving down the road and a radiator hose bursts. Now you apply this and you see it is just a happening and you are fine. But lets say you do not apply this and you begin to think about it, then you remember the last time you checked your oil you saw that the radiator hose needs replacing. So now you begin to feel like crap and you begin by beating yourself up. The last thing on your mind is God, abundance, happiness vs having these being the first thing on your mind when you just observe what happens. The above example is how it is with everything that happens Michael |
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Post by therealfake on Jan 29, 2011 0:08:08 GMT -5
Easy first rule for seekers is Do not make it harder that it is. All you need to do is accept everything that happens is beyond your control. IOW just let things happen and learn to be with whatever happens next. Some teachers such as Ramesh call it by Divine law everything happens, you can use God, Universe etc whatever works for you. The key is for you to just be a observer and not a participant. This is what I call true living and you do not need to be awaken to practice this anyone can. Here's a simple example you are driving down the road and a radiator hose bursts. Now you apply this and you see it is just a happening and you are fine. But lets say you do not apply this and you begin to think about it, then you remember the last time you checked your oil you saw that the radiator hose needs replacing. So now you begin to feel like crap and you begin by beating yourself up. The last thing on your mind is God, abundance, happiness vs having these being the first thing on your mind when you just observe what happens. The above example is how it is with everything that happens Michael Easy first rule, you are 'not' a seeker. Seeking means you are denying this moment by saying that it is not this... You are this moment, you have always been this moment and you always 'will be' this moment. There is no other time then this moment. The mind cannot live in the moment, it fights tooth and nail to avoid it. The trick is to let the mind do it's thing with complete detachment, like watching an actor on the screen. It will get mad, it will get frustrated, it will daydream, it will think about the past, it will project itself into the future etc, etc... But you, the invisible, behind the visible, remains silent and still. God (the unknowable) is with you, (is you), wherever you go, simply feel that presence and forget about the rest. |
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 29, 2011 0:27:21 GMT -5
TRF you can look at it that way does no harm.
I see everyone to be a seeker it makes no difference if you believe in this "moment stuff" or not.
The key to true living is what I said it's much simpler than what you said.
All you need to do is to allow whatever happens to just happen and not to become involved.
That's it when you start to get into your the moment , you always will be in the moment etc this is just mind/ego stuff to try to get you to see something which never happens that way.
True living does not require you to believe in this moment, to believe your invisible, you are still and silent this is just stuff you have heard, read somewhere.The mind loves to give you all these ideas because then your minds stays active , your mind becomes a lookout for things to happen.
True living shows you how to actually live in true happiness all the time and it works 100% of the time. Most people have no idea what happiness really is, they think pleasure equates with happiness and that is why they will never be happy. The happiness I am speaking of never goes away, does not have a flip side and requires no beliefs at all. IT requires no realizations but if you practice True Happiness you will get pounded with realizations all the time. This is important most people on a path think they need realizations to progress but in my True living it requires not even one but gives you ton's. That is a huge difference.
Also there is no need to feel Gods presence when you live by True living this happens on it's own just like realizations.
Michael
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Post by therealfake on Jan 29, 2011 12:54:49 GMT -5
Actually Micheal, this moment is not a 'belief'. You see Micheal, you identify with someone, who just has to live truly... A someone, who sees others as seekers and not as themselves... A someone, who just has to allow things to happen, to not get involved... A someone, who believes in the illusion of themselves yet doesn't 'see' the invisible... A someone, who believes in a concept called 'True Living', whatever that is, so they can know how to live in true happiness... You identify with a someone, that doesn't believe his brother knows what happiness is and they will never be happy... A someone, who holds the key to happiness, if people just listen to him... A someone, who doesn't need to feel the presence of the unknown, when a conceptual realization will do... You and the rest of the people on this planet, are not that illusory someone... But 98% of the folks believe they are and that's OK. Be the 2% that doesn't.  |
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 29, 2011 13:30:36 GMT -5
TRF
My true living works great I don't care what the 98% believe or the 2%. None of that matters.
What does matter is how your life is going. Just knowing what you just posted will get you nowhere in your life except using words in a way to satisfy the mind and still be unhappy.
But my True living works as I said it's beyond any belief all you need to do is just do it!
Actually my True living came directly from Ramesh teachings. For over 40+ years he only taught this, that true happiness is only found in knowing and practicing that you are never the do-er.
What happens is always beyond your control.
So you see it makes no difference what your words say, they are only words but by using True living you have a way that shows you in a very short time that it works.
You can try it and see that is my offer but just playing with word play will not help you one bit.
You will be unhappy in life because you simply cut yourself off from source and then you try to pretend it does not affect you by saying who is the one that is unhappy bla bla bla.
It does not work but True living does work it cannot not work.
It's so simple that you have missed it long ago. You certainly never tried it cuz if you did you could never post those words above unless you were a pathological lier which I believe you are not.
Michael
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Post by zendancer on Jan 29, 2011 13:38:24 GMT -5
I'm sittin here at Whole Foods this morning readin n' writin and enjoyin the threads. Ta da da doodle doo. Think I'll wander downstairs and see if they have any of that tasty curried tilapia on the salad bar. Yum yum. Have a great day!
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 29, 2011 14:01:55 GMT -5
Must be nice ZD, no wholefoods here. I miss my Chai.
Michael
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Post by mamza on Jan 29, 2011 14:27:14 GMT -5
Nice link, max; it seems like the thread still won't show up on this end, but that's all right. I'm geeky enough to find it other ways, and as long as everyone else can get in here to post there's no more problem.
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Post by enigma on Jan 29, 2011 15:04:22 GMT -5
'Not the doer' is not a 'way' that can be tried and found to 'work', which implies a doer. The doer remains in the guise of a non-doer. Ramesh was not teaching a method of living in which a happy life can be had, he was pointing to the realization that the one apparently living that life and trying to make it a happy one is just an assumption; a rather problematic one.
Life does get simpler and less dramatic with allowance and acceptance, (which apparently is what's being referred to) and for a time it can even seem happier, but only in contrast to how it was. This relative standard of 'how it was' will eventually fade along with the perception that it is a happy life being lived. With the realization (not the practice of a method of living) that you are not the one living that life, there is a falling back into ones true nature from which this life, and all lives, are merely appearances, and the hapless happy/unhappy traveler appears and does his happy/unhappy thang, which can never really affect you in any way. Peace is your nature regardless of whether the Whole Foods experience is a happy one or not.
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Post by therealfake on Jan 29, 2011 15:31:57 GMT -5
TRF My true living works great I don't care what the 98% believe or the 2%. None of that matters. What does matter is how your life is going. Just knowing what you just posted will get you nowhere in your life except using words in a way to satisfy the mind and still be unhappy. But my True living works as I said it's beyond any belief all you need to do is just do it! Actually my True living came directly from Ramesh teachings. For over 40+ years he only taught this, that true happiness is only found in knowing and practicing that you are never the do-er. What happens is always beyond your control. So you see it makes no difference what your words say, they are only words but by using True living you have a way that shows you in a very short time that it works. You can try it and see that is my offer but just playing with word play will not help you one bit. You will be unhappy in life because you simply cut yourself off from source and then you try to pretend it does not affect you by saying who is the one that is unhappy bla bla bla. It does not work but True living does work it cannot not work. It's so simple that you have missed it long ago. You certainly never tried it cuz if you did you could never post those words above unless you were a pathological lier which I believe you are not. Michael Micheal, you say you don't care about what everybody else believes, yet you care about how things are going for me? How I'm going nowhere and how I use words, to mask my unhappiness. This is the reflection that you have created for yourself, your world view and it only pays homage to your self image. I'm pointing to the fact, that we all 'identify' with a self image, which we believe, is who we are... Just because we add spiritual knowledge to it, doesn't change it from being what it is, a 'self-image'... Not only do you and the vast majority of people not know, they believe themselves to be a self-image, they don't even know, they don't know... |
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