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Post by michaelsees on Jan 29, 2011 15:48:17 GMT -5
I would suggest you listen to a few talks by Ramesh before you comment. I have a lot of his works and be happy to send them to you. Ramesh in all his talks is very clear on being the not the do-er. The problem you have has to do with not living a life as Ramesh clearly shows.
Life just does not get simpler and less dramatic when you just allow what happens next to be. This is the key and you will find out how much a key it is if you stop posting so many words about what it is not and just begin to live.
Here is what I have found out so far by true living. First all the drama goes away and all the stress you have with the mind disappears, then what is left is pure peace. This is the kind of peace you will not know unless you follow what Ramesh or I have noted here. But you get more than just peace out of this. Something else enters the picture as you just let things happen and do not get involved you stay firmly connect to the Source . This is something you never had for if you did you know exactly what I am saying. Most everyone will disconnect from the source the moment they allow themselves to invest in thoughts. Once you do that you are in a disconnect mode and you have lost your peace but if you continue to stay connected with Source then source brings you to the next step which you see your true nature as peace. In time this becomes your second nature. There is no falling back from this when you reach this position. You see source is ready to give you everything but you block the blessings daily when you try to control what is happening. If you can go only one day without getting involved with what is happening you will see what I and Ramesh are saying is 100% true.
Now the idea that nothing affects you in any way is not really a correct statement. More to the point is you the Enigma that goes around through your day affects everything. You need to get real and throw out all the fairly tales because none of it works they are only words use by the mind to make you feel better. To actually see truth in action try to live a few days as I have said here and take notes if you do this without and prejudice you will see miracles happen before your eyes. The truth is you never know real happiness until you begin to live by true living. Since you have never known this all you can post about is Not this.
Michael
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 29, 2011 15:59:11 GMT -5
TRF In a way I don't care but also when I am posting here I do care. This is not about self-image at all. How can you ever expect to know the truth when you are not living it! It's impossible. The first thing you need to do is live the truth then for sure you will know who you are. But if you cannot even get that far then you are lost and all you have are words and mental experiences to feel Ok. You have to live the truth first nothing else matters. By living the truth I mean that you allow whatever happens next to just happen, you as TRF do not get involved at all with the happening. This is all you need to do TRF nothing else but if you fail to do this there is no hope for you to see who you really are. It's like your on a boat ready to depart but the boat is still tied at the dock. You get nowhere until you take the rope off and then you will have lots of adventures on the water but if you remain tied to the dock the only adventures you will have will be in your mind. So I am done here. I challenge anyone to live by true living for a day or 2 and see for yourself. You do not need to believe anything but if you really are sincere about knowing who you are then put fort some real action on your part not just words which only gets you the dock. Michael Here's a link that gives a excellent summary on Ramesh www.kktanhp.com/Ramesh%20S.%20Balsekar%20-%20Advaita%20III.htm
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Post by frankshank on Jan 29, 2011 17:08:16 GMT -5
Michael: I'm pretty sure it was you who stated in a post not long after you rejoined this forum that you thought Ramesh Balsekar was a fraud - an intelligent man who conned people into thinking he was enlightened!
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 29, 2011 17:15:36 GMT -5
Hi Frank yes I did say that. After that I began to listen to him more and more and finally by his advice began what I call True Living. I can tell you honestly by living the way he suggests you will always have peace.
Michael
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Post by frankshank on Jan 29, 2011 17:22:48 GMT -5
Fair enough. Im glad its doing the trick for you!
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 29, 2011 18:17:18 GMT -5
thanks it will do the trick for everyone IMO. When anyone just allows whatever happens to happen and not get involved at all by thinking how you can control it or what you did wrong etc then life becomes very real for you. Then you are giving Source a chance to give you direct seeing. But if your mind is always caught up in what happens you do not have any chance in catching what Source is giving you.
Michael
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Post by frankshank on Jan 29, 2011 19:21:13 GMT -5
It's funny as in the video I provided a link to he talked about what you gain from enlightenment. People used to ask him all the time apparently. His conclusion was that you derive a sense of peace and that's it. Not a constant state of happiness, not superpowers, just peace in knowing that everything is as it should be I guess. He seemed quite disappointed as though he too had chased after the unattainable, although that may be my projection.
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 29, 2011 20:11:39 GMT -5
Enlightenment or Self-realisation
Balsekar says:
Enlightenment is not an alteration in our state; it is only a sudden disclosure of our state, of what we have always been, and not realised: pure Subjectivity. Discrimination between the interconnected opposites into which the Source has extended itself, through space-time, is the conceptual bondage. Acceptance of the duality of the interconnected opposites in the conceptual universe means transcending the conceptual universe—Self-realisation, Enlightenment, Awakening, the end of bondage.
Enlightenment or awakening is not a state of existence like that of a rock or a vegetable. It is a state, which arises consequent on the deepest possible conviction of the unicity of What-is and of the non-difference between What-is and what-appears. It arises after a thorough Self-enquiry, at the end of which all mental conditioning of dualism disappears altogether. It is a state of total freedom. All that appears and all that happens is accepted as an integral part of ‘What-Is’ and there is not the slightest desire to change anything or become anything else.
All the excitement of enlightenment exists because the conditioning in man has inverted his viewpoint to an extent that makes him think that the abnormal condition of chaos, unrest and conflict is his normal state. He thinks that the normal state of unfathomable peace and contentment (glimpses of which he occasionally gets in those rare moments when the mind is free of thoughts) is an abnormal state that must be acquired or attained by special positive efforts.
What sudden Enlightenment indicates is the mending of the dichotomy of the whole mind, whereby the division of the mind into subject and object no longer prevails. Then there is no subject perceiving an object: no “me” perceiving and judging a “you”. There is only the happening of a perception without judging, a mere witnessing.
How does an Enlightened being know that he is Enlightened? The question itself is an admission that the very basis of the subject has been missed: when the very basis of Self-realisation is that sense of individual volition, the sense of personal doership has been completely lost or annihilated. There is now no more “me” or individual. Who can know, who would need to know, and what would he want to know? Who is ‘to do the knowing’, and knowing what? Knowledge cannot be separate from the knowing of it; what else can sound be other than hearing of it? The eye can see everything but it cannot see that which is doing the seeing. “Consciousness”, being merely a conceptual symbol for that which is doing the cognising, cannot have any objective quality that could be cognised.
What is Self-realisation? The simple answer is that It can only be that which remains when this “thinking”, this “conceptualising” is eradicated. There is no more this trying to visualise and objectivise That which Itself does the thinking, the visualising! In other words, the very objectivizing of what is sought--Self-realisation-- is the only obstacle. Thinking of that which I am seeking and the way to acquire it is the obstacle. To put it another way, the realisation of what-we-are—that which is sought—cannot be “known” nor acquired, with phenomenal, conceptual effort: It can only happen. The happening needs a vacant mind, the total acceptance that trying not to make an effort is as potent a form of obstruction as making an effort. There cannot be any prescriptive method of stopping the thinking, the conceptualising. Thinking can and must stop without any effort for the conceptual entity. It can only happen, if it is supposed to happen.
If there is nothing that the seeker can do or cannot do, the question arises: what is all the seeking about? The answer is simple: there never was a seeker; the seeking began as part of the conceptual play of phenomenality. What the conceptual seeker seeks is the end of the seeking, and the end of the seeking cannot happen without the end of the seeker. The end of the seeker can happen only when the conceptual seeker comes to the realisation—Self-realisation—that there never was a seeker to do any seeking, and indeed that there never was anything to be sought.
Balsekar also says: The fact that we as separate individual entities, expect to transform ourselves into perfect ‘enlightened’ personages shows the extent to which we have been conditioned by Maya, the power of Divine hypnosis which has created the ‘me’s. We are only phenomena, dreamed characters playing out their respective roles. How can an appearance perfect itself? How can a psychosomatic apparatus, a conditioned body-mind organism perfect itself? Only awakening can make the dreamed character disappear; only dis-identification with the sense of personal doership in a supposed entity can bring about re-cognition of our true identity. And this cannot happen until our conceptual volition has been truly and totally surrendered.
Most seekers do not totally comprehend what they are looking for in Enlightenment. They feel that It must be something out of this world, something unknown. Some are searching for the peace that accompanies deep sleep while awake. The basis of this peace is because there is no doer in deep sleep. So this seeker must eradicate the doer by intuitive understanding. In actual fact It is Supreme Reality, the ONE without a second. How does one go about it? They think that ‘intellectual understanding’ is able to help. The truth is that intellect is useless in this pursuit. In the dawning of the awakening intellectual understanding must be transcended. In order for the penny to drop, the mind must be totally silent as in deep meditation. Both the working and the thinking mind must not be in operation. All conditioning since birth should also be totally erased. In this total void the seeker can then realise that there is no seeker or doer at all.
Michael
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 29, 2011 20:14:17 GMT -5
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Post by sharon on Jan 29, 2011 20:31:53 GMT -5
Randolph ~ you do know that you posted Reply #37 for you to read yourself don't you?
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Post by enigma on Jan 29, 2011 20:40:15 GMT -5
Again, Ramesh is not giving you a prescription on how to live your life. All I can say is, this too shall pass.
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Post by enigma on Jan 29, 2011 20:51:13 GMT -5
Randolph ~ you do know that you posted Reply #37 for you to read yourself don't you? Randolph?.......Really?...... I assume he has read it. He apparently hears what he wants to hear.
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 29, 2011 23:46:31 GMT -5
yes and it would do you good Sharon to watch the video I uploaded. This is the problem with just words. And yes he did show how to live your life always in peace. Hey if you wish to be out of peace that's your choice. I am at peace always.
Michael
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Post by enigma on Jan 30, 2011 0:28:16 GMT -5
I just watched the Ramesh video, and coincidentally I also happen to be half way through his book "Experiencing the teaching". To use his phrase, "I can only conclude" that somebody else wrote his books for him.
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 30, 2011 1:07:41 GMT -5
Whatever the thing is his teachings work very well. So you have a choice to live a full, happy,and peaceful life or you can stay where you are now acting like you know what ts going on but in trurh you never take the time to live in the real world. You become a legend in your own mind.
be well Mich
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