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Post by park on Jan 27, 2011 13:43:55 GMT -5
Alright people, There is no more voice saying “I am aware of thought”. There is awareness of all thought, automatically, effortlessly. It comes, it’s noticed. To say “I noticed the noticing” is also noticed as thought and as false. What now? Point. On with the paradoxes!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2011 15:14:55 GMT -5
Hi Park,
cool.
Can you elaborate on what "what now?" means? :-)
i've got plenty of dishes here that need to be done.
also, if you were to say to someone what would be the most efficient/effective way to get to this point you're at, what would you say?
mdp
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Post by park on Jan 27, 2011 16:58:08 GMT -5
Hello Max, No worries, still a person and a seeker. Maybe a bit of increase in clarity, distance from thought, and hence the questions and desire to proceed. There is a sense of... er... Stilness. Isness, Beingnesswhatever. It just sits here. It's everywhere, and nowhere. It's totally fixed. Hm... My mind, it's unconvinced I guess back to the dishes, and less analysis
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Post by enigma on Jan 27, 2011 21:20:00 GMT -5
If there is awareness of the mind, person, seeker, can you possibly be mind, seeker, person?
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Post by park on Jan 27, 2011 22:00:49 GMT -5
If there is awareness of the mind, person, seeker, can you possibly be mind, seeker, person? Intellectually, no, it's not possible. Intellectual necessities usually turn into realizations later, but for now I have the impression of being a separate individual. On the other hand, the few glimpses of "the still background", or Being, or whatever... are convincing. But, it's not here now, although it has to be, no doubt about it. Hm... What's stopping me from being this space right now? That's a good question It must be the case that I am it, even while I claim otherwise and seem to experience otherwise. (thought labels otherwise). I guess I'll sit until the mind gives up thinking it's the one "being".
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 27, 2011 23:05:15 GMT -5
Nice post Park you wrote "Intellectually, no, it's not possible" This nails it nothing more needs to be said. You see on these boards you will see how some try so hard to make nonduality fit intellectually. It never will and the answer is extremely simple you are dealing with something that is in another world. Nothing we have here by way of words can never describe or explain nonduality. These 2 worlds do not compute.
Michael
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Post by enigma on Jan 28, 2011 2:23:46 GMT -5
If there is awareness of the mind, person, seeker, can you possibly be mind, seeker, person? Intellectually, no, it's not possible. Intellectual necessities usually turn into realizations later, but for now I have the impression of being a separate individual. You don't really. What you experience is an individuated experience happening. You don't have the direct experience of being a separate individual. This is assumed. Maybe you're lying in a pod somewhere hooked up to wires, and you conclude that you're sitting at your desk reading a post. You don't know, you just know experience is happening, and you already know that you can't be anything you see happening. So what are you when you don't assume what you don't know? You can't know.
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Post by enigma on Jan 28, 2011 2:25:34 GMT -5
Nice post Park you wrote "Intellectually, no, it's not possible" This nails it nothing more needs to be said. You see on these boards you will see how some try so hard to make nonduality fit intellectually. It never will and the answer is extremely simple you are dealing with something that is in another world. Nothing we have here by way of words can never describe or explain nonduality. These 2 worlds do not compute. Michael It's even simpler than that since there aren't two worlds.
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 28, 2011 10:16:07 GMT -5
It's even simpler than that since there aren't two worlds. hehe see what I mean your comment proves my point. Michael
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 11:39:48 GMT -5
There is no more voice saying “I am aware of thought”. There is awareness of all thought, automatically, effortlessly. It comes, it’s noticed. To say “I noticed the noticing” is also noticed as thought and as false. Yet And And And And Above: ‘me.’ It’s important to not overlook those scarequotes around ‘me’. ‘Me’ is not actual, it is the content of a thought. In other words, there is no homunculus inside you that is preventing you from becoming one with the universe. There is an imagined identity. It is as real as a mirage. You might be sitting a long time. The mind may be described as ‘unconvinced’ but it’s not yours. The sky outside looks a yellowish grey. But does the sky belong to someone? “I guess … less analysis”--Analyzing happens. There is no one doing it. Trying to do less analysis implies there is someone there to do the trying. “The impression of being a separate individual.” What exactly is that ‘impression’? Impression implies something that can be sensed. Can it be sensed? Next time one of those thoughts comes up with an “I” tied to it, look at that “I.” What is it? Is it real in any sense at all?
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Post by enigma on Jan 28, 2011 11:45:33 GMT -5
"Something that is in another world" is nonsense. If nonduality is useful, it's in pointing this out. It doesn't mean a dual world as opposed to a non-dual world. Hehe. It means that it all collapses into this, here and now. Look and see what this really is.
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Post by mamza on Jan 28, 2011 12:25:38 GMT -5
This is a little off topic, but why can't I find this thread without clicking the last 10 posts link? The site shows it under general discussion but when I go there the thread is nowhere to be seen. Is that just me?
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 28, 2011 12:40:36 GMT -5
"Something that is in another world" is nonsense. If nonduality is useful, it's in pointing this out. It doesn't mean a dual world as opposed to a non-dual world. Hehe. It means that it all collapses into this, here and now. Look and see what this really is. No it's not. Using 2 worlds as a metaphor can be very useful. However if someone has never gone through the process and all they have is words to go by then sure you would be correct but it would be empty of anything real. peace Michael
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 12:54:31 GMT -5
This is a little off topic, but why can't I find this thread without clicking the last 10 posts link? The site shows it under general discussion but when I go there the thread is nowhere to be seen. Is that just me? this shows up at the top of the general q list for me. could just be you? guess what is has it in for you. www.theonion.com/articles/universe-admits-to-wronging-area-man-his-entire-li,18556/
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Post by park on Jan 28, 2011 16:15:34 GMT -5
MaxD,
Thanks for your nice reply.
I get the no-I conceptually. I do not attach as the thinker, or at least not knowingly. I could say "yeah, whatever will happen next, will happen next, as there is no control". But, that would not cut it.
I think this is the problem:
There is "being". At this very moment, it's nothing special, but it's the feeling of being, not a something, not somewhere or anything like that. The mind says "it's me". I do see it's not the mind's being (or that the mind is actually "being"), but the beings mind.
But, it does not give up yet.
Basically, the mind will always bring up: "OK, I'm not this, but I must be something". The mind wants to find and to be something tangible, but that's not possible. And YET it will not give up.
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