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Post by michaelsees on Jan 30, 2011 17:27:05 GMT -5
Michael, what you describe is part of every serious seeker's path, (allowing, surrender, detachment, non-doership) and I agree it's useful and usually required, and a significant increase in quality of life and reduction of nonsense thinking and gerbil spinning will result and will be experienced for a time, but like all experiences it won't last. At some point, you'll get on with it. The only question is, can we tolerate your condescending teachings until then? Hehe. No Enigma you miss the whole point. It's not experiences that is where you went wrong. It's life itself, how you live. Like I said instead of just posting with only pointers try it for a week. Michael
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Post by therealfake on Jan 30, 2011 17:38:25 GMT -5
Michael, what you describe is part of every serious seeker's path, (allowing, surrender, detachment, non-doership) and I agree it's useful and usually required, and a significant increase in quality of life and reduction of nonsense thinking and gerbil spinning will result and will be experienced for a time, but like all experiences it won't last. At some point, you'll get on with it. The only question is, can we tolerate your condescending teachings until then? Hehe. Maybe were the ones actually benefiting, if we can tolerate them, we can tolerate anything... Hehe
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Post by enigma on Jan 30, 2011 18:08:53 GMT -5
It's the Final Gateway! The 'Michael/Randolph/Rhudolph Test'
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Post by zendancer on Jan 30, 2011 18:13:59 GMT -5
Michael: What we're pointing to has nothing to do with experiences or a peaceful life. There is no one who can follow any supposed prescription by Ramesh, by you, or by anyone else that would lead to anything other than what is always here and now, because there is no one separate from THIS. THIS remains untouched by any activity, and has nothing to do with either peace or violence, attainment or non-attainment.
Just out of curiosity, who is it that you think could possibly "try this for a week?" Do you think "what is" lacks anything? Do you think who Enigma IS lacks anything? Do you think who you ARE lacks anything? If not, then what is the problem?
You're writing about non-duality as if you think you're the only human being who has any understanding of the issue. In the process you're coming across as an arrogant supercilious know-it-all. If you keep posting in this manner, pretty soon there won't be anyone on the forum willing to respond to you. Is this what you want? And do you really think that only two people on this forum understand anything? LOL. Gee whiz; I thought I was the only one who understood. Ha ha.
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 30, 2011 18:43:08 GMT -5
I disagree you cannot use words ZD to make it so. That's why I say try it for a week and see. Everything you wrote about what is and no separation is true in the ultimate sense however it's not a license to just be dumb and do nothing or maybe that is exactly what I am saying here. It's your wit and brain that gets in the way of something very simple so simple you missed it.
Just try not to think or act on any thought the next time you have a small crisis and see what I mean.
I do not see myself as arrogant I do see myself as someone that disagrees with a couple senior members here and suggest something to try. If anyone seems me as arrogant then it's your button being pushed not mine as I say I am at peace with whatever happens.
Peace Michael
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Post by angela on Jan 30, 2011 19:20:43 GMT -5
wow. all of a sudden i really want stepvhen to pop in for a minute with a sword and a broom.
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 30, 2011 19:34:38 GMT -5
wow. all of a sudden i really want stepvhen to pop in for a minute with a sword and a broom.
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Post by zendancer on Jan 30, 2011 19:54:15 GMT -5
wow. all of a sudden i really want stepvhen to pop in for a minute with a sword and a broom. I never knew we needed him until now! LOL. For some reason this reminds me of the old joke, "Did you hear about the skeleton who walked into a bar?" He asked the bartender for a beer and a mop.
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 30, 2011 20:21:33 GMT -5
ZD now that joke is funny. On a different note one must be careful what you wish for..
Michael
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Post by enigma on Jan 30, 2011 20:24:18 GMT -5
"You're writing about non-duality as if you think you're the only human being who has any understanding of the issue. In the process you're coming across as an arrogant supercilious know-it-all. If you keep posting in this manner, pretty soon there won't be anyone on the forum willing to respond to you. Is this what you want? And do you really think that only two people on this forum understand anything? LOL. Gee whiz; I thought I was the only one who understood. Ha ha."
I really enjoyed that. I haven't heard the word 'supercilious' in years! Hehe.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2011 20:41:03 GMT -5
now these are truly refreshing breaths of fresh air!
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Post by park on Feb 2, 2011 16:35:43 GMT -5
there is no you. have you really looked to see if this is true? it sounds like you understand it but have not actually seen the truth of it. During the past week had three kinds of experiences. a) Being the "space" in which everything appears. The "Amness", the "stilness". A kind of "dissembodied awareness", "all is (that) one". b) Looking into the room, and suddenly not being there. There was just "room". Creepy as hell. A lifeless universe. c) While falling asleep, discovering I was not there, and the world was not there, but there is knowledge of the fact of existence. This seemed to be mortally dangerous, and I "come back" just prior to accepting this, and being "sucked into oblivion". With all these experiences, except the first which is pleasurable, a lot of fear arises. So, yes, I obviously actively avoid (stop short due to terror) seeing/accepting the knowledge of "my" non-existence. Which one of these experiences, if any, points to what you all keep yapping about? And... what am I not seeing? What am I missing?
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Post by mamza on Feb 2, 2011 16:53:58 GMT -5
Whose non-existance is scary?
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Post by park on Feb 2, 2011 17:01:15 GMT -5
Whose non-existance is scary? I don't know. That's what I'm trying to find out. At this moment, the mind is back to "my non-existence".
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Post by mamza on Feb 2, 2011 18:16:06 GMT -5
What I'm asking is how those experiences can be scary if you don't exist. If there's no you, how could you be scared? How could there be a you avoiding the idea that you don't exist?
Clearly you are scared, so somebody must be hiding behind the one that doesn't exist. That's how it sounds on this end, although there is always the possibility that I'm wrong too.
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