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Post by cabinintheforest on May 24, 2010 14:20:57 GMT -5
What is going on, on this thread? Let me just say an important thing.
Nothing bad exists, evil is unreal.
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Post by zendancer on May 24, 2010 15:29:13 GMT -5
Frank/Andy: Apparently you picked a pretty good topic, judging by the types of responses it elicited. LOL.
Myself: I knew about the book, "Blink," but I wasn't aware of the refutation that you mentioned. I think I'll put both books on my reading list.
Klaus: Although it is possible to rationally prepare for certain kinds of extreme situations by deciding upon specific courses of action that one will take, it may be just as effective to stay open to all possibilities and rely upon an intuitive grasp of the situation as it occurs. I guess this is what I was primarily contemplating as the discussion progressed. The more we live an action-oriented life in the present moment, the more we become "light on our feet," so to speak. We trust our intution and our unity with the ineffable to deal with whatever might happen. There are many amazing stories where people responded intuitively to extreme situations in ways that could not have been predicted yet yielded extraordinary results. There are many stories in spiritual literature about this and many others in secular literature.
I remember a specific case (mentioned in one of Chilton Pearce's books, I think) where a woman was attacked by two young men. They told her that they were going to rape her and then kill her. Assuming that she was already as good as dead, she looked into their eyes and felt nothing but deep compassion and love for them. The look in her eyes changed both men instantly because they saw no fear whatsoever and they realized that she only cared about their welfare. They had some sort of conversion experience on the spot, apologized to her, and begged her to forgive them for threatening her. Sometimes extraordinary things can happen when we leave the mind and turn to something deeper than mind.
You may remember that Michael Dukakis was asked the same question that Frank asked during the presidential election when he ran against Bush 1. Because he did not answer the question with a look of horror and visceral shock, he was castigated by the press. At the time I felt that this was very unfair because of the hypothetical nature of the question. If the actual event had taken place, Dukakis might have responded more appropriately than some of the press corp who were so quick to judge him.
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Post by robert on May 24, 2010 15:29:55 GMT -5
cabin- i know that i have heard you say that love and god exist. well, if bad does not exist you must admit that the other side of that coin, good, does not exist. you cannot have it both ways.
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Post by cabinintheforest on May 24, 2010 16:01:46 GMT -5
Hey robert i have heard that many times before. But you are wrong just like all the other people who say that you are falling for duality instead of unity. Let me enlighten you on this.
In its simplest form, evil is the absence of “good”, of “God”. Evil is ignorance or faulty thinking put into action that hurt, harms or injuries others or the perpetrators.
So is this 'evil' real? No it isn't.
Evil is not of God, but of man resulting from man’s poor or harmful choices in otherwords, error, faulty thinking, unreal.
There is but one power in the universe and that is God – Good. God is good and God is omnipresence. Apparent evils are not entities or things of themselves. They are simply apparent absence of good, just as darkness is an absence of light. But God or good is omnipresent, so the apparent absence of good is unreal.
Myrtle Fillmore the wife of the founder of Unity School of Christianity (Charles Fillmore) said ''“If God is all and God means “Good”, then Genesis must read: ‘In the beginning Good create’. Can Good create evil? If God is Love, then ‘In the beginning Love created.’ Can Love create hatred and torment? If God is Truth, ‘In the beginning Truth created’. Can Truth create error (wrong thinking)? If God is Life, then ‘In the beginning Life created.’ Can life create death? Of course not!"
What did Earnest Holmes say? (The founder of Religious Science)
"Evil is man created, while God – the Eternal goodness – knows nothing about it. God is too pure to behold evil and cannot look upon it. Evil is the direct and suppositional opposite to good, and has no reality behind it, or actual law to come to its support."
"Evil will remain a problem as long as we believe in it…it is neither person, place nor thing, and will disappear in the exact proportion that we cease using destructive methods."
Robert if evil was real we would be able to find the person who made it, but nobody ever made it you could say it was 'man created as an illusion' It's been described as error, unreal.
God is omnipresent, God is Good there can be no evil.
Do you believe in God and evil at the same time?
If you believe there is, then you believe in “duality”, in “two” Gods.
Sin is nothing more than acting on faulty thinking, acting from ignorance, acting from Lies, from a belief in Duality, a belief in separateness.
Duality leads to internal schisms, to separation from God.
Please read the follow affirmations:
There is no evil or devil. There is no absence of life, substance, or intelligence anywhere. Pain, sickness, poverty, old age, and death cannot master me, for they are not real. There is nothing in the entire universe for me to fear, for greater is God that is within me than He that is in the world. I deny the reality and power of apparent evil. By my denial, I am free from it. Evil melts away as the darkness before the light, as the dew before the morning sun, and good comes to take its place. I now affirm that God, that good, is already in my life and I am open and receptive to that good. I recognize and accept God’s Truth:
God is life, love, intelligence, substance, all-powerful, all-present, and all-knowing.
I am a child or manifestation of God, and every moment God’s life, love, wisdom and power flow into and through me. I am one with God and am governed by God’s laws.
I am Spirit, perfect, holy, harmonious. Nothing can hurt me or make me sick or afraid, for Spirit is God, and God cannot be sick or hurt or afraid. I manifest my real Self through this body now. God is my defense and my deliverance from all forms of evil and ignorance. God in me is infinite wisdom and I know just what to do.
God works in me to will and to do whatever God wishes me to do, and God cannot fail!
I fear no evil, for God – Good - is with me. I am not afraid, but filled with courage and confidence, for God is constantly with me, guiding and comforting me. There is no evil in the Truth, and no power of darkness to hinder the Light from shining. I will not be afraid, for there is but One Power within me that protects and keeps me from all harm.
Evil is unreal. God (Good) is the reality.
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Post by klaus on May 25, 2010 10:37:16 GMT -5
zendancer,
That's my point.
To be open and let allow whatever reaction occur when confronted with such a situation.
Having said that: there was no killer nor victim,
or anyone to react.
And there's no one replying.
A comedy of errors.
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Post by zendancer on May 25, 2010 11:53:15 GMT -5
zendancer, That's my point. To be open and let allow whatever reaction occur when confronted with such a situation. Having said that: there was no killer nor victim, or anyone to react. And there's no one replying. A comedy of errors. Klaus: It puts Jay Leno to shame. LOL |
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Post by frankshank on May 25, 2010 17:09:36 GMT -5
Myself: Thanks for the recommendation. I'll definitely check that one out.
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Post by alpha on May 25, 2010 18:06:30 GMT -5
Hey robert i have heard that many times before. But you are wrong just like all the other people who say that you are falling for duality instead of unity. Let me enlighten you on this. In its simplest form, evil is the absence of “good”, of “God”. Evil is ignorance or faulty thinking put into action that hurt, harms or injuries others or the perpetrators. So is this 'evil' real? No it isn't. Evil is not of God, but of man resulting from man’s poor or harmful choices in otherwords, error, faulty thinking, unreal. There is but one power in the universe and that is God – Good. God is good and God is omnipresence. Apparent evils are not entities or things of themselves. They are simply apparent absence of good, just as darkness is an absence of light. But God or good is omnipresent, so the apparent absence of good is unreal. Myrtle Fillmore the wife of the founder of Unity School of Christianity (Charles Fillmore) said ''“If God is all and God means “Good”, then Genesis must read: ‘In the beginning Good create’. Can Good create evil? If God is Love, then ‘In the beginning Love created.’ Can Love create hatred and torment? If God is Truth, ‘In the beginning Truth created’. Can Truth create error (wrong thinking)? If God is Life, then ‘In the beginning Life created.’ Can life create death? Of course not!" What did Earnest Holmes say? (The founder of Religious Science) "Evil is man created, while God – the Eternal goodness – knows nothing about it. God is too pure to behold evil and cannot look upon it. Evil is the direct and suppositional opposite to good, and has no reality behind it, or actual law to come to its support." "Evil will remain a problem as long as we believe in it…it is neither person, place nor thing, and will disappear in the exact proportion that we cease using destructive methods." Robert if evil was real we would be able to find the person who made it, but nobody ever made it you could say it was 'man created as an illusion' It's been described as error, unreal. God is omnipresent, God is Good there can be no evil. Do you believe in God and evil at the same time? If you believe there is, then you believe in “duality”, in “two” Gods. Evil is unreal. God (Good) is the reality. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ did God create man with the potential to create illusory evil, did God create man with the potential to believe in "duality", did God create man with the potential to suffer, If God is omnipresent, dosent that mean the only thing God created is God, I only ask because I don't know... |
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Post by cabinintheforest on May 25, 2010 18:41:39 GMT -5
Hi Alpha
To those questions i would answer no. God did not create us with the potential for evil or duality or to suffer it all came about as error and those things are not real. Those things are all illusion, unreal. The good thing is they can be destroyed as Good is the reality. The reality is spiritual it is all around us we are inside it, it is inside us, it is everywhere infinite. it says in the bible 'the kingdom of God is within you' this is the reality a perfect state of consciouness, there is no sin for love (God) is omnipresent. Sin, disease, evil, suffering and death are only found in the material world which is an illusion.
Good and God are synonymous terms. God and love are synonymous terms.
The Christ is the spiritual selfhood of Jesus it is the spiritual idea of the divine principle, love, the true idea of God.
Both Paul and John in the bible pointed out we are in Christ.
Each of us is an individualisation of the Christ consciouness, an individualation of the Christ. All the spiritual beings together are the Christ. There is no sin in the Christ this has been proven and is explained in the bible where it says 'In him there is no sin' I John 3 Ver 5.
We are not sinful or material. God created man in his own image and God saw everything that he made and behold it was very good Gen 1 Ver 27 31. We are all perfect beings in a perfect spiritual world in heaven the kingdom of harmony. One with the infinite mind. We are governed by a good perfect God.
We are ideas in the mind of God.
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Post by enigma on May 25, 2010 22:14:39 GMT -5
Zen, I wonder if you've had the experience of anger showing up, and watching with amusement at the same time. I don't really know what is so amusing, maybe the absurdity of the situation. I half expect laughter to happen at the same time, but I guess that would cancel out the anger and end the amusement. Hehe. Just kinda odd. So in the scenario described can you imagine crying uncontrollably but watching with amusement? Can awareness be amused? Well, I'm not so good at the imagining deally, but I can relate my experience. About a decade ago, both my parents died within about a year, and the same scenario happened both times. There was a powerful, deep grief, and as you say uncontrollable crying for I'm guessing maybe an hour? Not sure. And then it was gone. I don't know how to describe it except as an uncontrollable force far more powerful than 'me' moving through me and there wasn't any question of trying to stop it. It erupted, and then it ended. There hasn't been a moment of grief or sense of loss since then, just fond memories and gratitude. What was 'witnessed' was not suffering, it was an awesome, overwhelming movement. I would not use the word 'amusement' in that case, though I would not have wanted to miss it. Perhaps that's difficult to understand. Lemme try to tease your memory a bit. Do you remember the first time your heart was broken and how inconsolable you were? Do you have a sense that you were somehow cherishing that overwhelming feeling of loss and that you didn't want anyone to help you stop it? Is it possible that the girl of your dreams could have showed up to replace your loss and end your grief, and you would have turned away? If you can sense that feeling, that's what it was like. Grief is a bit like terror. The mind wants nothing to do with it, and yet this is when you truly feel most alive. 'Something' wants to know that feeling and is NOT grief stricken or terrorized by it. Does that make any sense? |
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Post by enigma on May 25, 2010 22:15:41 GMT -5
Zen, I wonder if you've had the experience of anger showing up, and watching with amusement at the same time. I don't really know what is so amusing, maybe the absurdity of the situation. I half expect laughter to happen at the same time, but I guess that would cancel out the anger and end the amusement. Hehe. Just kinda odd. Enigma: Yep. I've had that kind of experience and also the kind of experience you described with your ex. I occasionally use anger without feeling angry because the body/mind intuits that that is what is called for in a particular situation. Yes, zackly. |
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Post by enigma on May 25, 2010 22:21:02 GMT -5
I dont recall ever crying about something and being amused at the response simultaneously. Amusement has followed though. Enigma stated that he 'watched' with amusement. That suggests to me that the two different types of emotion were separate within the same moment. Well, as I said, there was no anger. No increase in heart rate, no physical constriction. There was an expression that 'looked' like anger and sounded like anger, but was there somebody there who was angry? I don't think so. |
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Post by enigma on May 26, 2010 1:43:46 GMT -5
Hi Alpha To those questions i would answer no. God did not create us with the potential for evil or duality or to suffer it all came about as error and those things are not real. Those things are all illusion, unreal. The good thing is they can be destroyed as Good is the reality. The reality is spiritual it is all around us we are inside it, it is inside us, it is everywhere infinite. it says in the bible 'the kingdom of God is within you' this is the reality a perfect state of consciouness, there is no sin for love (God) is omnipresent. Sin, disease, evil, suffering and death are only found in the material world which is an illusion. Good and God are synonymous terms. God and love are synonymous terms. The Christ is the spiritual selfhood of Jesus it is the spiritual idea of the divine principle, love, the true idea of God. Both Paul and John in the bible pointed out we are in Christ. Each of us is an individualisation of the Christ consciouness, an individualation of the Christ. All the spiritual beings together are the Christ. There is no sin in the Christ this has been proven and is explained in the bible where it says 'In him there is no sin' I John 3 Ver 5. We are not sinful or material. God created man in his own image and God saw everything that he made and behold it was very good Gen 1 Ver 27 31. We are all perfect beings in a perfect spiritual world in heaven the kingdom of harmony. One with the infinite mind. We are governed by a good perfect God. We are ideas in the mind of God. So much to unlearn, and so little time....... |
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Post by frankshank on May 26, 2010 5:20:35 GMT -5
Enigma: Fascinating read. That's the sort of response I was looking for. Thanks for the openness.
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Post by Jimmy on May 26, 2010 6:52:27 GMT -5
Hey Frankshank stop making fake accounts.
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