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Post by frankshank on May 24, 2010 3:43:22 GMT -5
Your posts irritate me so much cabin. LOL.
P.S. I'm only yolking so don't take me seriously!
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Post by frankshank on May 24, 2010 3:45:43 GMT -5
Zen, I wonder if you've had the experience of anger showing up, and watching with amusement at the same time. I don't really know what is so amusing, maybe the absurdity of the situation. I half expect laughter to happen at the same time, but I guess that would cancel out the anger and end the amusement. Hehe. Just kinda odd. So in the scenario described can you imagine crying uncontrollably but watching with amusement? Can awareness be amused? |
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Post by zendancer on May 24, 2010 5:41:57 GMT -5
Zen, I wonder if you've had the experience of anger showing up, and watching with amusement at the same time. I don't really know what is so amusing, maybe the absurdity of the situation. I half expect laughter to happen at the same time, but I guess that would cancel out the anger and end the amusement. Hehe. Just kinda odd. Enigma: Yep. I've had that kind of experience and also the kind of experience you described with your ex. I occasionally use anger without feeling angry because the body/mind intuits that that is what is called for in a particular situation. |
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Post by zendancer on May 24, 2010 5:48:17 GMT -5
Zen, I wonder if you've had the experience of anger showing up, and watching with amusement at the same time. I don't really know what is so amusing, maybe the absurdity of the situation. I half expect laughter to happen at the same time, but I guess that would cancel out the anger and end the amusement. Hehe. Just kinda odd. So in the scenario described can you imagine crying uncontrollably but watching with amusement? Can awareness be amused? Frank/Andy: Yes, but I'm sure that you, yourself, have had that same kind of experience. Haven't you ever been in a movie in which a sad scene evoked a sad response, but you were simultaneously amused at your response? This is pretty common. Awareness, however, is simply awareness. It is what watches the entire complex drama of human life unfold. |
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Post by frankshank on May 24, 2010 6:24:33 GMT -5
I dont recall ever crying about something and being amused at the response simultaneously. Amusement has followed though. Enigma stated that he 'watched' with amusement. That suggests to me that the two different types of emotion were separate within the same moment.
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Post by robert on May 24, 2010 9:14:57 GMT -5
i have to say that it is more than a little saddening to watch everyone get so offended at this post. everyone wanting to act so above the whole thing when not only could the scenario happen it IS happening right now all over the world and behaving as though it weren't just because you don't see it is naive. and then watching everyone post that they are just too above getting upset is a little saddening because the human body feels emotion period it's called living but more than that to see the posts where people behave as though they are far too elevated to feel the emotion means that their so called elevated mind state is probably something that they don't have. because it's easy to learn the words and when to speak them but the truth isn't here.
and frank if you are really joking try a stand up comedy site, but if you aren't at least have the sac to stand by what you write.
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Post by klaus on May 24, 2010 10:10:36 GMT -5
No one really knows how they'll react in such a situation until confronted with it.
Right now it's a hypothetical.
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Post by karen on May 24, 2010 11:09:13 GMT -5
i have to say that it is more than a little saddening to watch everyone get so offended at this post. I don't think everyone got offended. everyone wanting to act so above the whole thing when not only could the scenario happen it IS happening right now all over the world and behaving as though it weren't just because you don't see it is naive. Horrifying stuff is happening all over the world. What internal posture do you propose we all make towards this? What do you propose? What is your remedy? and then watching everyone post that they are just too above getting upset is a little saddening because the human body feels emotion period it's called living but more than that to see the posts where people behave as though they are far too elevated to feel the emotion means that their so called elevated mind state is probably something that they don't have. because it's easy to learn the words and when to speak them but the truth isn't here. The human body feels lots of things often at the same time. I have felt deep sadness and been glad about it. I've been angry and yelling, but cool and quiet inside. And it is indeed easy to mouth the words, but anyone who does this to him/her self is shortchanging themselves alone. Anyone who takes another's word on this as 100% true is shortchanging themselves as well. and frank if you are really joking try a stand up comedy site, but if you aren't at least have the sac to stand by what you write. I don't see why anyone would need to stand by what they wrote. We are all free and not bound by our words. |
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Post by zendancer on May 24, 2010 11:44:39 GMT -5
Klaus: Correct, and that is one of the aspects that I was pointing out. When people ask about "world peace," I ask them about what they are doing here and now to help people? World peace is a huge abstraction. It is the same sort of thing with "what if" questions. What's going on now? If we learn to live in the present moment, free from fantasies or worries about the future, we become better able to respond appropriately to whatever life brings us. This does not deny that extreme situations may occur, but 95% of all imagined situations don't occur. If those situations appear, we do what we have to do at that time.
It is possible, however, to predict certain reactions in the future based upon how the body/mind has been trained. The reason that air force pilots practice in simulators is to prepare for various emergencies. When an emergency occurs, they will automatically take certain actions. The mind is too slow to deal with certain extreme situations, so pilots practice in order to increase body-knowing. When an engine flames out, for example, the pilot instantly performs some physical actions in an effort to restart the engine. He/she doesn't waste any time thinking about what to do. Thinking only occurs if everything else fails.
In the construction industry I have seen some people become paralyzed by thought during an emergency whereas other people instantly act in an appropriate manner. The same sort of thing occurs in other venues. For example, I used to be a competitive gymnast. Many years later I was walking through a gymnasium where a girl was jumping on a trampoline. There were six inexperienced spotters standing around the tramp. I wasn't pay too much attention, but suddenly I saw her hit the tramp at a strange angle and without thinking I ran to the point where I knew she was going. She went way over the heads of all the spotters and I broke her fall ten feet away from the tramp, probably saving her a broken bone or worse. Mountain climbers practice on medium slopes using an ice axe to arrest falls because when a slip happens on steeper and more dangerous slopes, they have to be able to respond instantly.
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Post by frankshank on May 24, 2010 12:16:33 GMT -5
ZD: You may find 'Blink: The Power of Thinking Without Thinking' by Malcolm Gladwell an interesting read. It's arguably flawed but fascinating.
Robert: Thanks for sticking up for me. I don't really mind being in the minority when it comes to debate. I'm pretty thick skinned in that respect. The defensiveness amused me more than anything else. If only I was open minded like these spiritual folk. LOL.
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Post by robert on May 24, 2010 12:20:13 GMT -5
karen- i offer no remedy only acceptance of what is. and although you may think that you or anyone are only hurting yourselves with your opinions words can damage the weak so go on writing whatever pops into your mind, because as you said no one needs to stand by their words. we are all free and not bound by our words. and if you can't see the danger in that statement then i would never be able to explain it and more than that if you aren't ready to stand by what you say then you should keep your mouth shut.
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Post by Myself on May 24, 2010 12:34:20 GMT -5
ZD: You may find 'Blink: The Power of Thinking Without Thinking' by Malcolm Gladwell an interesting read. It's arguably flawed but fascinating. Frank: you may find the following reply book very interesting: Think!: Why Crucial Decisions Can't Be Made in the Blink of an Eye. By Michael LeGault Editorial Reviews "[For] those concerned about America losing touch with its intellectual traditions . . . Think! could not have emerged at a better time."-- The Washington Times Product Description Outraged by the downward spiral of intellect and culture, Michael LeGault offers the flip side of Malcolm Gladwell's bestselling phenomenon, Blink, which theorized that our best decision-making is done on impulse, without factual knowledge or critical analysis. If bestselling books are advising us to not think, LeGault argues, it comes as no surprise that sharp, incisive reasoning has become a lost art in the daily life of people everywhere. Somewhere along the line, the Age of Reason morphed into the Age of Emotion; this systemic erosion is costing time, money, jobs, and lives in the twenty-first century, leading to less fulfilment and growing dysfunction. LeGault provides a bold, controversial, and objective analysis of the causes and solutions for some of the biggest problems facing Western culture in the 21st century. From the over- load of reality TV shows and gossip magazines that have rendered curiosity of the mind and spirit obsolete to permissive parenting and low standards that have caused an academic crisis among our children, LeGault looks at all aspects of modern lives and points to how and where it all went wrong. |
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Post by karen on May 24, 2010 13:23:00 GMT -5
karen- i offer no remedy only acceptance of what is. and although you may think that you or anyone are only hurting yourselves with your opinions words can damage the weak so go on writing whatever pops into your mind, because as you said no one needs to stand by their words. we are all free and not bound by our words. and if you can't see the danger in that statement then i would never be able to explain it and more than that if you aren't ready to stand by what you say then you should keep your mouth shut. Hi Robert. This seems very hypothetical. You are right that words can hurt. But then why be so committed to them such that one must stick with them? And to be specific here, have you been hurt by my words? Or have you felt what some of what I write to be hurtful to others in a specific way (not just a hypothetical exercise)? If so, let me be clear: I will not stand by them. But I also need not keep my mouth shut. |
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Post by klaus on May 24, 2010 13:26:37 GMT -5
zendancer,
True, you can train for some situations, but I don't know of many, if anyone trains for a horrific situation like the one posed.
However, I believe when one encounters this situation any thought is precluded,. The reaction would be purely visceral, a total body knowing reaction.
As to the specifics, again one never knows until this situation is encountered.
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Post by karen on May 24, 2010 14:01:29 GMT -5
One purpose of crime/action fiction might be the mind's way of trying to prepare for horrible stuff.
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