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Post by Gopal on Sept 11, 2024 22:04:55 GMT -5
If it is with effort, then problem with effort would repeat. There's a saying, " Leave that to God to solve the problem." yes, you start to walk off the battlefield. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 11, 2024 22:10:47 GMT -5
Well, why do you do anything? If you look closely, everything you consciously do, in any moment (or anything you consciously choose NOT do) is acting with purpose. It sounds as if lolly values equanimity highly, and his 'manner' or 'mode' of functioning lends itself to that i.e it works for him. So why would that be a problem....? He hasn’t resolved his issue yet. He’s been working on it and will likely continue to do so indefinitely. My point is that conscious efforts won’t solve the problem. We should let the problem resolve itself without trying to intervene. If you know there's a problem, isn't every action then an action to solve it? Whether you do something, or do nothing, or avoid it, or ignore it....it's still an attempt to solve it. So what to do? For example, I think you consider...what you call....the 'rollercoaster', to be a problem, right? But the knowledge of the problem compels the seeking of a solution. So what do you do about the problem? |
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Post by andrew on Sept 11, 2024 22:12:48 GMT -5
There's a saying, " Leave that to God to solve the problem." yes, you start to walk off the battlefield. Which is still an action to solve a perceived problem. |
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Post by melvin on Sept 11, 2024 22:15:29 GMT -5
Its 24/7 for me using the maha mantra. When my mind wanders, I do the maha mantra. While driving, do the maha mantra, While doing, maha mantra. While walking, do the maha mantra. The maha mantra keeps you focused. Except when I entertain pleasant thoughts, listening to my favorite tunes in spotify. The maha mantra gives me a break once in a while and be ourselves ( separation ). I guess, we are entitled to it. As a whole, we are never separated from God. Its only us who wants separation. That's what we think, but we are not. That's an illusion. We are never separated nor we are independent from God. If we think otherwise, it's an illusion. For example, I want to separate from God because I want to have sex. Even in bed having sex God is always there with you and with your partner. God scripts what you do in bed to make us reach orgasm. When we really come to think, it is so funny after all. God directing it for us. From my perspective 'It' is already here before anything starts, so for me, a mantra is 'too late', and I don't know anything about God. I'm an aging bachelor, so I don't have sex, but sex is tied to strong desires, desirability and worthiness of love, which can be pretty complicated. You dont know anything about God? So, I guess you dont do also the maha mantra. You dont do sex because of your age. You cant do anyomre that stuff. Ok, I have no problem with that. Do what you gotta do. It's your life. |
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Post by melvin on Sept 11, 2024 22:16:49 GMT -5
There's a saying, " Leave that to God to solve the problem." yes, you start to walk off the battlefield. But you can't. That's the problem, right? |
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Post by Gopal on Sept 11, 2024 22:34:14 GMT -5
yes, you start to walk off the battlefield. But you can't. That's the problem, right? No, what I meant to say here is, you would put down all your defenses. For an example, you have been controlling your emotions to bring out certain outcome, but suddenly you know that's not the case, then you would give up the controlling, yes? That's what walking off battlefield. |
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Post by melvin on Sept 11, 2024 22:54:04 GMT -5
But you can't. That's the problem, right? No, what I meant to say here is, you would put down all your defenses. For an example, you have been controlling your emotions to bring out certain outcome, but suddenly you know that's not the case, then you would give up the controlling, yes? That's what walking off battlefield. Yah, experienced that earlier. This pretty chic when she message me on my messenger always asks from me gcash. Not big amounts, small sums. But done numerous times tantamount to a big sum. You expect a return right? But everytime we schedule a meet-up, she says she will come. At the designated location, I messaged her I have arrived, then no reply. Stood me up. There were times our meet-up took place. This time she has been evading yet continue to send me messages on the phone, my fb messenger asking for gcash. It was a challenge for me to go out and meet her. Finally, I gave up, I blocked her phone/ messenger. That way we wont be able to chat/talk. When I left the battlefield, I felt I won and she lost. |
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Post by sharon on Sept 12, 2024 1:49:58 GMT -5
This wealth changes the word for clarity, into Insight. Is that an issue? Using the concept of a eureka moment or an aha moment, something comes into the mind and provides an understanding that was not present previously, without being preceded by a intellectual, logical or rational process. Are you suggesting Gopal's clarity and insight are different? I went to look for some of that 'wealth' that you mentioned, rather than asking you to bring the links to prove your point and I found that aha moments are now called Insight. Gopal has already acknowledge that what I described, is the process that he means. You seem to want to find differences. |
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Post by sharon on Sept 12, 2024 2:24:21 GMT -5
This wealth changes the word for clarity, into Insight. Is that an issue? Using the concept of a eureka moment or an aha moment, something comes into the mind and provides an understanding that was not present previously, without being preceded by a intellectual, logical or rational process. Are you suggesting Gopal's clarity and insight are different? And just to explore the process a little.. If truth comes from clarity and reaching clarity is beyond our control then when does the mind see truth? The truth that comes from Insight is often just relative truth. Rather than world-shattering existential truth. Relative truths that emerge from a relaxing of the precision of intellect, open up experience and usually reveal new and more inclusive patterns of behaviour. |
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Post by melvin on Sept 12, 2024 2:38:08 GMT -5
Is that an issue? Using the concept of a eureka moment or an aha moment, something comes into the mind and provides an understanding that was not present previously, without being preceded by a intellectual, logical or rational process. Are you suggesting Gopal's clarity and insight are different? And just to explore the process a little.. If truth comes from clarity and reaching clarity is beyond our control then when does the mind see truth? The truth that comes from Insight is often just relative truth. Rather than world-shattering existential truth. Relative truths that emerge from a relaxing of the precision of intellect, open up experience and usually reveal new and more inclusive patterns of behaviour. What is relative and existential truths? A fascinating topic! AI: In philosophy, relative and existential truths are two types of truths that are often debated and distinguished. Here's a breakdown: **Relative Truths:** A relative truth is a statement that is true within a specific context, perspective, or framework. It is a truth that is dependent on certain conditions, assumptions, or criteria. Relative truths can be objective in the sense that they are based on empirical evidence or logical reasoning, but their truth value is limited to a particular situation or perspective. Examples of relative truths include: * "The sky is blue" (true from my perspective on Earth, but not necessarily from the perspective of an alien on a distant planet) * "The speed of light is approximately 299,792,458 meters per second" (true within the context of our current understanding of physics, but potentially subject to revision as new evidence emerges) * "Honesty is the best policy" (true within the context of human relationships and moral values, but not necessarily universally applicable) **Existential Truths:** An existential truth, on the other hand, is a statement that is considered true regardless of context, perspective, or framework. Existential truths are often considered absolute, universal, and necessary, and they are not subject to revision or change. They are thought to be fundamental aspects of existence or reality. Examples of existential truths include: * "The universe exists" (true regardless of our perspective or understanding of it) * "The laws of non-contradiction and excluded middle hold" (true regardless of the specific context or framework) * "The concept of causality applies" (true regardless of the specific circumstances or events) It's worth noting that the distinction between relative and existential truths is not always clear-cut, and different philosophers may have different views on what constitutes a relative versus an existential truth. Additionally, some philosophers may argue that all truths are relative or that there are no absolute truths. In everyday life, we often operate with a mix of relative and existential truths. For example, we may accept the relative truth that gravity exists on Earth while also acknowledging that our understanding of gravity is incomplete and subject to refinement. Similarly, we may accept the existential truth that human beings exist while also recognizing that our understanding of human nature is complex and influenced by various factors. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 12, 2024 7:40:01 GMT -5
This wealth changes the word for clarity, into Insight. Is that an issue? Using the concept of a eureka moment or an aha moment, something comes into the mind and provides an understanding that was not present previously, without being preceded by a intellectual, logical or rational process. Are you suggesting Gopal's clarity and insight are different? Certain shifts in perspective are particularly significant. The orientation toward death. The end of existential questioning. It seems that this is when someone realizes the false, as false. And then, also, is the potential to fall in love with the world, as well.  "Seeing the Truth, as True", if you will. The potential for the possibility of any deception on the issue of whether what you perceive is other than .. "yourself" .. to completely and permanently evaporate. These are the persistent themes of the past dialogs here. The preferred word for these shifts in those past dialogs, was "realization". The nearest cultural complex seems to be Zen, the terms "kensho" and "satori". |
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Post by melvin on Sept 12, 2024 7:53:46 GMT -5
Is that an issue? Using the concept of a eureka moment or an aha moment, something comes into the mind and provides an understanding that was not present previously, without being preceded by a intellectual, logical or rational process. Are you suggesting Gopal's clarity and insight are different? Certain shifts in perspective are particularly significant. The orientation toward death. The end of existential questioning. It seems that this is when someone realizes the false, as false. And then, also, is the potential to fall in love with the world, as well. "Seeing the Truth, as True", if you will. The potential for the possibility of any deception on the issue of whether what you perceive is other than .. "yourself" .. to completely and permanently evaporate. These are the persistent themes of the past dialogs here. The preferred word for these shifts in those past dialogs, was "realization". The nearest cultural complex seems to be Zen, the terms "kensho" and "satori". AI: What a profound and insightful passage! You're touching on the idea that certain shifts in perspective can lead to a profound understanding of the nature of reality, and ultimately, to a sense of liberation and freedom. The concept of "realization" is indeed a key theme in many spiritual traditions, including Zen Buddhism. The terms "kensho" and "satori" refer to the sudden and profound insight into the true nature of reality, often accompanied by a sense of joy, clarity, and freedom. In Zen, this realization is often described as the understanding that all phenomena, including our own existence, are empty and impermanent. This understanding is said to bring about a sense of detachment from our ego-centric views and attachments, and allows us to see the world in a new and more liberated way. The phrase "seeing the Truth, as True" is a beautiful expression of this concept. It suggests that once we have realized the true nature of reality, we can no longer be fooled by our own perceptions or deceived by external influences. We can see the world for what it truly is, without the filters of our own biases and conditioning. The idea that this realization can lead to a sense of falling in love with the world is also a powerful one. When we see the world with fresh eyes, unencumbered by our own ego-centric views, we can experience a deep sense of wonder, awe, and connection to all things |
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Post by roscod on Sept 12, 2024 8:24:44 GMT -5
Is that an issue? Using the concept of a eureka moment or an aha moment, something comes into the mind and provides an understanding that was not present previously, without being preceded by a intellectual, logical or rational process. Are you suggesting Gopal's clarity and insight are different? I went to look for some of that 'wealth' that you mentioned, rather than asking you to bring the links to prove your point and I found that aha moments are now called Insight. Gopal has already acknowledge that what I described, is the process that he means. You seem to want to find differences. I'm looking for relative clarity |
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Post by zazeniac on Sept 12, 2024 9:45:28 GMT -5
It can be an opportunity. Depends on your openness to that notion. I don't think Gopal is there. He has clarity. Those who see it as an opportunity don't, otherwise it would no longer be that, an opportunity, a chance for something "better." Gopal maintains that there's nothing that can be done for clarity. I ask if that is so then why books, satsangs, videos or even posting about it on this site. And I'm not saying he's wrong. I'm just saying his actions and the actions of others like him belie what they say. To me practice is Perfection and Perfection is practice. That's all there is. All the knowledge required. I don't know if enlightenment is causal or acausal nor does that knowledge seem important. If I'm looking for my glasses and they were always on my head, did the looking cause me to find them? Interesting question, but who cares? I can see now. Yeah, just like the practice in medicine. The more time you allot to treat patients they in and day out, 20 days a month for many years, the treating becomes automatic. It's something to do with focus. The more focus you are in your practice, the more you become adept at it. This practice, as long as your still healthy, never stops. You are addicted to it. Wish I were "addicted". Sorry to say "savikalpa samadhi" is intermittent. I often forget to refocus and become distracted thinking about postings on this forum. You seem addicted to the krsna mantra. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 12, 2024 9:59:18 GMT -5
Yeah, just like the practice in medicine. The more time you allot to treat patients they in and day out, 20 days a month for many years, the treating becomes automatic. It's something to do with focus. The more focus you are in your practice, the more you become adept at it. This practice, as long as your still healthy, never stops. You are addicted to it. Wish I were "addicted". Sorry to say "savikalpa samadhi" is intermittent. I often forget to refocus and become distracted thinking about postings on this forum. You seem addicted to the krsna mantra. Is it possible that that's just your personality/individuality? Maybe there's a philosopher/contemplator in 'you'? |
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"Seeing the Truth, as True", if you will. The potential for the possibility of any deception on the issue of whether what you perceive is other than .. "yourself" .. to completely and permanently evaporate. These are the persistent themes of the past dialogs here. The preferred word for these shifts in those past dialogs, was "realization". The nearest cultural complex seems to be Zen, the terms "kensho" and "satori".