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Post by Gopal on Jun 24, 2024 11:04:48 GMT -5
Every issue stems from the pursuit of our life’s desires. When we begin to seek something beyond the present moment, that’s when problems emerge, placing us in a perpetual cycle of problem-solving. Often, we fail to realize that we are the creators of these problems. The resolution of these issues won’t occur until the chase ceases. The root of the problem lies in the pursuit itself.
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Post by siftingtothetruth on Jun 27, 2024 10:08:10 GMT -5
Yes. But if one does not chase the solution to this problem of chasing, one will chase forever.
And if one has solved the problem of chasing, then even chasing is no longer a problem.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jun 27, 2024 11:06:47 GMT -5
All the manifest world operates through the 3 Gunas. Basically they are initiating force, resisting force, and reconciling force. The way it works is when you initiate an action (rajas), this automatically brings resistance in some form (tamas), it's inevitable. Now these two forces can battle it out, yin and yang, just revolve around each other. Here, to proceed, sattva must enter. Sattva can break the stalemate.
But no one can escape the operation of the 3 Gunas. So sifty is correct. Not initiating is not a solution. You just have to have a worthy aim to be worth the trouble of tamas.
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Post by Gopal on Jun 28, 2024 5:32:59 GMT -5
Yes. But if one does not chase the solution to this problem of chasing, one will chase forever. And if one has solved the problem of chasing, then even chasing is no longer a problem. Nope, what I was saying is quite the opposite. There are no problems for us to solve basically. When you chase the desired state, that's when we create the problem. This problem can't be solved. If we don't desire anything other than what's happening right now, then there wouldn't be any problem. |
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Post by Gopal on Jun 28, 2024 5:34:36 GMT -5
All the manifest world operates through the 3 Gunas. Basically they are initiating force, resisting force, and reconciling force. The way it works is when you initiate an action (rajas), this automatically brings resistance in some form (tamas), it's inevitable. Now these two forces can battle it out, yin and yang, just revolve around each other. Here, to proceed, sattva must enter. Sattva can break the stalemate. But no one can escape the operation of the 3 Gunas. So sifty is correct. Not initiating is not a solution. You just have to have a worthy aim to be worth the trouble of tamas. Read my previous comment to him. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jun 28, 2024 7:16:33 GMT -5
All the manifest world operates through the 3 Gunas. Basically they are initiating force, resisting force, and reconciling force. The way it works is when you initiate an action (rajas), this automatically brings resistance in some form (tamas), it's inevitable. Now these two forces can battle it out, yin and yang, just revolve around each other. Here, to proceed, sattva must enter. Sattva can break the stalemate. But no one can escape the operation of the 3 Gunas. So sifty is correct. Not initiating is not a solution. You just have to have a worthy aim to be worth the trouble of tamas. Read my previous comment to him. You are correct, but not to take any initiative is not an answer. The man who buried his talents in the ground, because he was afraid to risk, is what you are suggesting. Life itself is risk. |
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Post by siftingtothetruth on Jun 28, 2024 14:47:56 GMT -5
Yes. But if one does not chase the solution to this problem of chasing, one will chase forever. And if one has solved the problem of chasing, then even chasing is no longer a problem. Nope, what I was saying is quite the opposite. There are no problems for us to solve basically. When you chase the desired state, that's when we create the problem. This problem can't be solved. If we don't desire anything other than what's happening right now, then there wouldn't be any problem. Yes, I understand that's what you were saying. I was disagreeing with you. You DO desire something other than what's happening right now. And to solve that problem, you have to desire to change THAT situation. Desire must be used to transcend desire. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jun 28, 2024 15:42:49 GMT -5
Nope, what I was saying is quite the opposite. There are no problems for us to solve basically. When you chase the desired state, that's when we create the problem. This problem can't be solved. If we don't desire anything other than what's happening right now, then there wouldn't be any problem. Yes, I understand that's what you were saying. I was disagreeing with you. You DO desire something other than what's happening right now. And to solve that problem, you have to desire to change THAT situation. Desire must be used to transcend desire. Yes, scale has to be seen, there are lower values and higher values. We cannot freeze. No, the answer is not to chase or trade for a "bowl of beans", but it's OK to desire the higher way, the blessing. Esau despised his birthright, and sold it for a bowl of beans. Jacob wanted the blessing so badly he tricked his Father Isaac (with the help of his Mother) and stole the blessing, from Esau. Then he had to run for his life, he ran to his Mother's family. Then his to-be Father-in-Law tricked him into marrying the wrong daughter, so then he had to work 14 years to 'get the right girl'. Desiring the wrong values, creates karma. But after 14 years he left to go back home, with his two wives, and he was rich beyond measure, by doing nothing special. The story explains genetics, Jacob got rich via genetics. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jun 28, 2024 17:18:27 GMT -5
Every issue stems from the pursuit of our life’s desires. When we begin to seek something beyond the present moment, that’s when problems emerge, placing us in a perpetual cycle of problem-solving. Often, we fail to realize that we are the creators of these problems. The resolution of these issues won’t occur until the chase ceases. The root of the problem lies in the pursuit itself. Do you distinguish between worldly, everyday desires, the desire to transcend the maze of competing desires, and/or the desire to be free of problems (i.e., some combination of the biggies: death, emptiness, isolation, identity, freedom, meaning, etc)?  |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jun 28, 2024 17:29:10 GMT -5
Yes. But if one does not chase the solution to this problem of chasing, one will chase forever. And if one has solved the problem of chasing, then even chasing is no longer a problem. Nope, what I was saying is quite the opposite. There are no problems for us to solve basically. When you chase the desired state, that's when we create the problem. This problem can't be solved. If we don't desire anything other than what's happening right now, then there wouldn't be any problem. Living life without desires certainly sounds problematic.  |
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Post by Gopal on Jul 1, 2024 6:21:18 GMT -5
Nope, what I was saying is quite the opposite. There are no problems for us to solve basically. When you chase the desired state, that's when we create the problem. This problem can't be solved. If we don't desire anything other than what's happening right now, then there wouldn't be any problem. Yes, I understand that's what you were saying. I was disagreeing with you. You DO desire something other than what's happening right now. And to solve that problem, you have to desire to change THAT situation. Desire must be used to transcend desire. I disagree with you. Our reality emerges from the infinite and flows seamlessly, until one day we yearn for something different that brings us happiness. However, as we chase this desired reality, problems begin to arise. We often fail to recognize that these problems stem from our pursuit of improvement. The key realization is that chasing can be the root cause of our troubles. Acknowledging this truth is a significant step in one’s life. |
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Post by Gopal on Jul 1, 2024 6:24:51 GMT -5
Yes, I understand that's what you were saying. I was disagreeing with you. You DO desire something other than what's happening right now. And to solve that problem, you have to desire to change THAT situation. Desire must be used to transcend desire. Yes, scale has to be seen, there are lower values and higher values. We cannot freeze. No, the answer is not to chase or trade for a "bowl of beans", but it's OK to desire the higher way, the blessing. Esau despised his birthright, and sold it for a bowl of beans. Jacob wanted the blessing so badly he tricked his Father Isaac (with the help of his Mother) and stole the blessing, from Esau. Then he had to run for his life, he ran to his Mother's family. Then his to-be Father-in-Law tricked him into marrying the wrong daughter, so then he had to work 14 years to 'get the right girl'. Desiring the wrong values, creates karma. But after 14 years he left to go back home, with his two wives, and he was rich beyond measure, by doing nothing special. The story explains genetics, Jacob got rich via genetics. No, I was not talking about desiring the wrong values. I was talking about desiring anything other than what's happening is the problem. You may be chasing love, money, fixing the problem, or anything that you are longing to attain is the problem. Your chasing secretly creates the other problem which you may not be aware as to why this problem happens, but chasing creates the parallel line which you have to chase the recent problem to fix it. |
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Post by Gopal on Jul 1, 2024 6:25:39 GMT -5
Nope, what I was saying is quite the opposite. There are no problems for us to solve basically. When you chase the desired state, that's when we create the problem. This problem can't be solved. If we don't desire anything other than what's happening right now, then there wouldn't be any problem. Living life without desires certainly sounds problematic. You may desire something so strongly and what you strongly desire always reach you without your effort but trying to achieve is the problem I am saying, that's what I would like to name it as chasing. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 1, 2024 9:03:20 GMT -5
Living life without desires certainly sounds problematic. You may desire something so strongly and what you strongly desire always reach you without your effort but trying to achieve is the problem I am saying, that's what I would like to name it as chasing. That's good, you need to lead with that. Every time you talk (write) about not chasing desires, you need to mention this. This is very significant. "Every stick has two ends." When you choose and chase, you are choosing one end of the stick. And inevitably, it is the so-called SVP that does the choosing (the conditioning). So also inevitably, the so-called SVP will choose the * wrong* end of the stick. But if you allow life to choose which end of the stick comes, it's inevitably better for you. You have done well Gopal. Just a little further, if you are forced into a decision, it's better to choose what you don't desire. Why? Because, in that case, life will bring you the better end, eventually. You see, despite all the trying to wriggle out of this being a dual world, the manifest universe operates on dual principles, actually, the principle of triads. Yang always follows yin. Yin always follows yang. The energy can transform, and what you are still looking at outwardly, that appears to be-the-same-thing, can change from either yin to yang or yang to yin. This can be very confusing in life. But to say yin and yang don't exist, is, well, nonsense. They are one whole, like heads and tails of a coin. Life does not play: "Heads I win, (if you get) tails, you lose". They are one whole, but they are a moving whole. The rollercoaster is just the way the manifest universe operates. The manifest universe operates in wave forms, trough and crest. With a heart machine, when you get this _______, you are dead. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jul 2, 2024 6:49:19 GMT -5
Living life without desires certainly sounds problematic. You may desire something so strongly and what you strongly desire always reach you without your effort but trying to achieve is the problem I am saying, that's what I would like to name it as chasing. Transcending a problem does not involve chasing. I getcha. |
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