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Post by melvin on Sept 12, 2024 10:18:32 GMT -5
Yeah, just like the practice in medicine. The more time you allot to treat patients they in and day out, 20 days a month for many years, the treating becomes automatic. It's something to do with focus. The more focus you are in your practice, the more you become adept at it. This practice, as long as your still healthy, never stops. You are addicted to it. Wish I were "addicted". Sorry to say "savikalpa samadhi" is intermittent. I often forget to refocus and become distracted thinking about postings on this forum. You seem addicted to the krsna mantra. The eight verses of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu 's Siksastaka. 1. "Krishna, Krishna, Krishna - not knowing Your ways, I am crying out in separation from You." 2. "My dear Lord, You are my only shelter, my only refuge; O Lord, I am completely surrendered to You." 3. "I am not an ornament for You, nor are You an ornament for me; I am Yours, and You are mine." 4. "This body is not mine, it is Yours; I am not mine, I am Yours; I am surrendered to You." 5. "I am the lowest of all beings, unworthy of even offering my prayers to You." 6. "O Lord, I am crying out in separation from You; I have no other shelter than Your lotus feet." 7. "I have no other desire than to be Yours; I have no other goal than to be absorbed in Your love." 8. "O Lord, please forgive me for my offenses; please take me back to Your loving service." To Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Krishna is the Absolute Truth. |
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Post by zazeniac on Sept 12, 2024 12:32:44 GMT -5
Wish I were "addicted". Sorry to say "savikalpa samadhi" is intermittent. I often forget to refocus and become distracted thinking about postings on this forum. You seem addicted to the krsna mantra. Is it possible that that's just your personality/individuality? Maybe there's a philosopher/contemplator in 'you'? I've explored that avenue thoroughly enough for five lifetimes. That gum no longer has flavor. Simple things are much more satisfying. The former is a compulsion that is fading, unwinding. Every time I go there, the body rebels, quite violently at times. I'm old enough now to listen. |
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Post by zazeniac on Sept 12, 2024 12:39:14 GMT -5
Wish I were "addicted". Sorry to say "savikalpa samadhi" is intermittent. I often forget to refocus and become distracted thinking about postings on this forum. You seem addicted to the krsna mantra. The eight verses of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu 's Siksastaka. 1. "Krishna, Krishna, Krishna - not knowing Your ways, I am crying out in separation from You." 2. "My dear Lord, You are my only shelter, my only refuge; O Lord, I am completely surrendered to You." 3. "I am not an ornament for You, nor are You an ornament for me; I am Yours, and You are mine." 4. "This body is not mine, it is Yours; I am not mine, I am Yours; I am surrendered to You." 5. "I am the lowest of all beings, unworthy of even offering my prayers to You." 6. "O Lord, I am crying out in separation from You; I have no other shelter than Your lotus feet." 7. "I have no other desire than to be Yours; I have no other goal than to be absorbed in Your love." 8. "O Lord, please forgive me for my offenses; please take me back to Your loving service." To Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Krishna is the Absolute Truth. So much like Catholicism. Not my cup of tea. I said that to a Catholic friend recently and they were offended. The cup of tea part. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 12, 2024 13:42:23 GMT -5
Is it possible that that's just your personality/individuality? Maybe there's a philosopher/contemplator in 'you'? I've explored that avenue thoroughly enough for five lifetimes. That gum no longer has flavor. Simple things are much more satisfying. The former is a compulsion that is fading, unwinding. Every time I go there, the body rebels, quite violently at times. I'm old enough now to listen. Physical reactions are often a good clue, yeah, can relate to that. |
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Post by tenka on Sept 12, 2024 13:47:36 GMT -5
Well from my perspective what is a biological fact is another identification had and it also isn't a fact in non dual circles based upon there is no one here to begin with hey? You recently asked me about what constitutes someone being here (roughly translated) but you state there is a biological fact relating to someone who is identified as your sister present. Is that not an indication that someone is present rather than not? I asked the question what would constitute in your eyes someone not being here. I think that would help anyone answer the question of what constitutes a person being here. Like said a trillion times about foundations, for they are needed in place for one to believe in this or that and make factual statements about anything. Maybe we see differently in regards to what constitutes an identification had. I think it's safe enough to say that peeps can't really identify what they actually are fundamentally because it's beyond words so to speak but it doesn't stop one entertaining a string of secondary identifications had as we experience this world reality. So as I see identity playing out and being in effect, a so called non identified peep can't associate anything with anything. Butt they do. It is a fact we have the same parents and grandparents etc. I don't see the identity issue. I could say this body is related to that body by birth. I experience via this body's senses, and not that body's senses, and we tend to assume that experience implies an experiencer, but I think it's more like consciousness implies awareness. Everyone's awareness is the same in nature but of course different bodies have different experiences and thereby different histories, and thereby, different personalities, so it's not different to how things are. I'm aware and this is my personality, but there's nothing in the middle that it belongs to.
The first part where you speak about that it is a fact you have the same parents and grandparents just reflects in my eyes that you believe in someone being present and then in the next breath you would like to hear a plausible premise that reflects that someone is here. Are you saying that biological facts in these regards don't constitute someone being here? I am a little confuddled. |
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Post by lolly on Sept 12, 2024 15:57:39 GMT -5
From my perspective 'It' is already here before anything starts, so for me, a mantra is 'too late', and I don't know anything about God. I'm an aging bachelor, so I don't have sex, but sex is tied to strong desires, desirability and worthiness of love, which can be pretty complicated. You dont know anything about God? So, I guess you dont do also the maha mantra. You dont do sex because of your age. You cant do anyomre that stuff. Ok, I have no problem with that. Do what you gotta do. It's your life. I am steeped in a mindfulness tradition, which contradicts mantra meditation, so I assume there are benefits to mantra, but I'm going a different way. I never know what anyone means by "God", but if there is such a being, I'm completely unaware of it. |
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Post by lolly on Sept 12, 2024 16:04:42 GMT -5
It is a fact we have the same parents and grandparents etc. I don't see the identity issue. I could say this body is related to that body by birth. I experience via this body's senses, and not that body's senses, and we tend to assume that experience implies an experiencer, but I think it's more like consciousness implies awareness. Everyone's awareness is the same in nature but of course different bodies have different experiences and thereby different histories, and thereby, different personalities, so it's not different to how things are. I'm aware and this is my personality, but there's nothing in the middle that it belongs to.
The first part where you speak about that it is a fact you have the same parents and grandparents just reflects in my eyes that you believe in someone being present and then in the next breath you would like to hear a plausible premise that reflects that someone is here. Are you saying that biological facts in these regards don't constitute someone being here? I am a little confuddled. How is it that these bodies have the same bloodline, and I experience via the senses of this body, an identity thing? Isn't is just true that we have the same ancestors, and each body its own sense organs, and each individual personality is formed by the sum of their past (including ancestral past)? |
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Post by melvin on Sept 12, 2024 16:50:58 GMT -5
You dont know anything about God? So, I guess you dont do also the maha mantra. You dont do sex because of your age. You cant do anyomre that stuff. Ok, I have no problem with that. Do what you gotta do. It's your life. I am steeped in a mindfulness tradition, which contradicts mantra meditation, so I assume there are benefits to mantra, but I'm going a different way. I never know what anyone means by "God", but if there is such a being, I'm completely unaware of it. I believe the maha mantra is the Essence, the Source, the Ultimate Reality, the Transcendent. I keep on meditating on the maha mantra almost 24/7, while driving, eating, listening to Nisa's lectures on you tube, even while doing sex! So funny, right? If possible I dont stop doing the maha mantra. I have become addicted to it. As to the word God, it's an acronym for Generator, Operator, Destroyer. When I say GOD I refer to that. |
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Post by Gopal on Sept 12, 2024 23:13:51 GMT -5
No, what I meant to say here is, you would put down all your defenses. For an example, you have been controlling your emotions to bring out certain outcome, but suddenly you know that's not the case, then you would give up the controlling, yes? That's what walking off battlefield. Yah, experienced that earlier. This pretty chic when she message me on my messenger always asks from me gcash. Not big amounts, small sums. But done numerous times tantamount to a big sum. You expect a return right? But everytime we schedule a meet-up, she says she will come. At the designated location, I messaged her I have arrived, then no reply. Stood me up. There were times our meet-up took place. This time she has been evading yet continue to send me messages on the phone, my fb messenger asking for gcash. It was a challenge for me to go out and meet her. Finally, I gave up, I blocked her phone/ messenger. That way we wont be able to chat/talk. When I left the battlefield, I felt I won and she lost. You are talking about something which is in your control, I was talking about something which is not in your control. |
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Post by Gopal on Sept 12, 2024 23:15:37 GMT -5
Is that an issue? Using the concept of a eureka moment or an aha moment, something comes into the mind and provides an understanding that was not present previously, without being preceded by a intellectual, logical or rational process. Are you suggesting Gopal's clarity and insight are different? Certain shifts in perspective are particularly significant. The orientation toward death. The end of existential questioning. It seems that this is when someone realizes the false, as false. And then, also, is the potential to fall in love with the world, as well.  "Seeing the Truth, as True", if you will. The potential for the possibility of any deception on the issue of whether what you perceive is other than .. "yourself" .. to completely and permanently evaporate. These are the persistent themes of the past dialogs here. The preferred word for these shifts in those past dialogs, was "realization". The nearest cultural complex seems to be Zen, the terms "kensho" and "satori". Nice line. |
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Post by Gopal on Sept 12, 2024 23:17:32 GMT -5
You dont know anything about God? So, I guess you dont do also the maha mantra. You dont do sex because of your age. You cant do anyomre that stuff. Ok, I have no problem with that. Do what you gotta do. It's your life. I am steeped in a mindfulness tradition, which contradicts mantra meditation, so I assume there are benefits to mantra, but I'm going a different way. I never know what anyone means by "God", but if there is such a being, I'm completely unaware of it. God is the creator of your perception. He creates and destroys every moment. He creates not only your perception but all other people in this world. So everything moves as one. |
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Post by lolly on Sept 13, 2024 7:11:46 GMT -5
I am steeped in a mindfulness tradition, which contradicts mantra meditation, so I assume there are benefits to mantra, but I'm going a different way. I never know what anyone means by "God", but if there is such a being, I'm completely unaware of it. I believe the maha mantra is the Essence, the Source, the Ultimate Reality, the Transcendent. I keep on meditating on the maha mantra almost 24/7, while driving, eating, listening to Nisa's lectures on you tube, even while doing sex! So funny, right? If possible I dont stop doing the maha mantra. I have become addicted to it. As to the word God, it's an acronym for Generator, Operator, Destroyer. When I say GOD I refer to that. I have heard the stories about God before, 'Creator' and what have you, but I don't know anything about that, and I don't believe in a willful supernatural being that creates anything.
When I was in training, people from various spiritual backgrounds came to do retreats. Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and all manner of new age spiritualists. I'm not sure if any Hare Krishnas attended but many mantra meditators did, and were told to stick to the program and not do any mantras intentionally. Of course the mantra would occur unintentionally, but that's fine, because all sorts of thoughts occur unintentionally, and no worries, just keep feeling what your breath is like. I think the idea was to keep attending to the reality, as it is, and not on the fabrications of the mind, and since mantra is mentally fabricated, if it happens unintentionally, that's fine, who cares, it's 'just thoughts' that arise and pass.
In your view a certain mantra is very important, so you invest a lot in it, but in the breath and the body, all the sensation have the same nature of changing momentarily, and you don't 'make it happen' - it's all unintended - so the attention is 'just watching', and we cannot anticipate, but we'll see what happens next.
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Post by melvin on Sept 13, 2024 7:39:31 GMT -5
I believe the maha mantra is the Essence, the Source, the Ultimate Reality, the Transcendent. I keep on meditating on the maha mantra almost 24/7, while driving, eating, listening to Nisa's lectures on you tube, even while doing sex! So funny, right? If possible I dont stop doing the maha mantra. I have become addicted to it. As to the word God, it's an acronym for Generator, Operator, Destroyer. When I say GOD I refer to that. I have heard the stories about God before, 'Creator' and what have you, but I don't know anything about that, and I don't believe in a willful supernatural being that creates anything.
When I was in training, people from various spiritual backgrounds came to do retreats. Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and all manner of new age spiritualists. I'm not sure if any Hare Krishnas attended but many mantra meditators did, and were told to stick to the program and not do any mantras intentionally. Of course the mantra would occur unintentionally, but that's fine, because all sorts of thoughts occur unintentionally, and no worries, just keep feeling what your breath is like. I think the idea was to keep attending to the reality, as it is, and not on the fabrications of the mind, and since mantra is mentally fabricated, if it happens unintentionally, that's fine, who cares, it's 'just thoughts' that arise and pass.
In your view a certain mantra is very important, so you invest a lot in it, but in the breath and the body, all the sensation have the same nature of changing momentarily, and you don't 'make it happen' - it's all unintended - so the attention is 'just watching', and we cannot anticipate, but we'll see what happens next.
Are you happy with your practice, comfortable in what you do with regards to this self-realization thing? It wont matter anyway if you dont know GOD, not interested in mantras. As long as you are happy with what you are thinking and doing, to me that's okay. No problem with that. I bet you have a spiritual teacher. Which I do. My spiritual teacher, Srila Prabhupad, instructed me through his books to do the maha mantra. There's no need to change one's religious beliefs, he says. The maha mantra simply will do. I am happy, honestly with my life. I just go with the flow. Wherever it takes me, doing the maha mantra. This is simply my realization. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 13, 2024 10:32:17 GMT -5
Certain shifts in perspective are particularly significant. The orientation toward death. The end of existential questioning. It seems that this is when someone realizes the false, as false. And then, also, is the potential to fall in love with the world, as well. "Seeing the Truth, as True", if you will. The potential for the possibility of any deception on the issue of whether what you perceive is other than .. "yourself" .. to completely and permanently evaporate. These are the persistent themes of the past dialogs here. The preferred word for these shifts in those past dialogs, was "realization". The nearest cultural complex seems to be Zen, the terms "kensho" and "satori". Nice line. Channeling Phil. |
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Post by tenka on Sept 13, 2024 13:34:55 GMT -5
The first part where you speak about that it is a fact you have the same parents and grandparents just reflects in my eyes that you believe in someone being present and then in the next breath you would like to hear a plausible premise that reflects that someone is here. Are you saying that biological facts in these regards don't constitute someone being here? I am a little confuddled. Isn't is just true that we have the same ancestors, and each body its own sense organs, and each individual personality is formed by the sum of their past (including ancestral past)? Identify - to establish or indicate who or what (someone or something) is. In my eyes it is true regarding what you say about ancestry, but one still identifies one's sister as one's sister and not a melon. We could say by design an orange is an orange and that is a fact, but you know an orange from a banana because you can identify them both. Recognition - Identification of someone or something or person from previous encounters or knowledge. Now with all your biological facts revealed, doesn't that reflect someone being present? Bloodlines and ancestry apply to someone correct? And what you declare about ancestry and facts therefore must constitute a plausible premise regarding someone being here right? What else can be biologically factual that doesn't refer to someone? |
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"Seeing the Truth, as True", if you will. The potential for the possibility of any deception on the issue of whether what you perceive is other than .. "yourself" .. to completely and permanently evaporate. These are the persistent themes of the past dialogs here. The preferred word for these shifts in those past dialogs, was "realization". The nearest cultural complex seems to be Zen, the terms "kensho" and "satori".