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Post by sharon on Sept 11, 2024 16:29:42 GMT -5
That sounds very much like what neuro-science and psychology is now calling a-ha moments. There is a wealth of literature on it. I'm not sure if there is a difference. This wealth changes the word for clarity, into Insight. |
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Post by Gopal on Sept 11, 2024 16:36:04 GMT -5
That's what I am saying. You are on the process now. Watch out your process will never come to an end. I'm cautious of speaking for him, but if his process (or anyone's) works well for him, why would it be a problem if it doesn't come to an end? Why are you doing something? To achieve something else as a goal,eh? |
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Post by lolly on Sept 11, 2024 16:37:09 GMT -5
That's what I am saying. You are on the process now. Watch out your process will never come to an end. I'm cautious of speaking for him, but if his process (or anyone's) works well for him, why would it be a problem if it doesn't come to an end? The process doesn't concern me, so continue or end makes no difference to me at all.
It's more like getting involved in the process, but people don't know they are involved with all that desire and aversion. It's hard to understand that ceasing to do all that is not the same as doing something extra, because the involvement is all we know and we don't know anything else. I simply suggest we can see what's going on if we stop and look. It just depends, I suppose, if you want to know what's true or if you want 'something else'.
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Post by Gopal on Sept 11, 2024 16:41:47 GMT -5
That sounds very much like what neuro-science and psychology is now calling a-ha moments. There is a wealth of literature on it. I'm not sure if there is a difference. The clarity begin to express itself when we stop our seeking. Remember we can't stop seeking, seeking automatically would come to an end when you know the futility of its nature. |
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Post by lolly on Sept 11, 2024 16:56:19 GMT -5
It can be an opportunity. Depends on your openness to that notion. I don't think Gopal is there. He has clarity. Those who see it as an opportunity don't, otherwise it would no longer be that, an opportunity, a chance for something "better." Gopal maintains that there's nothing that can be done for clarity. I ask if that is so then why books, satsangs, videos or even posting about it on this site. And I'm not saying he's wrong. I'm just saying his actions and the actions of others like him belie what they say. To me practice is Perfection and Perfection is practice. That's all there is. All the knowledge required. I don't know if enlightenment is causal or acausal nor does that knowledge seem important. If I'm looking for my glasses and they were always on my head, did the looking cause me to find them? Interesting question, but who cares? I can see now. Yeah, just like the practice in medicine. The more time you allot to treat patients they in and day out, 20 days a month for many years, the treating becomes automatic. It's something to do with focus. The more focus you are in your practice, the more you become adept at it. This practice, as long as your still healthy, never stops. You are addicted to it. I think everything is practice all the time, so I could go from lawn edging to lunch to playing the piano, but practice is continuous. Every time you realise you became distracted, come back to reality. You can set the intention to remain in touch with your real lived experience, and you you'll forget, then notice you've drifted into mind-land, and also remember your intention to keep it real.
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Post by sharon on Sept 11, 2024 16:59:39 GMT -5
Yeah, just like the practice in medicine. The more time you allot to treat patients they in and day out, 20 days a month for many years, the treating becomes automatic. It's something to do with focus. The more focus you are in your practice, the more you become adept at it. This practice, as long as your still healthy, never stops. You are addicted to it. I think everything is practice all the time, so I could go from lawn edging to lunch to playing the piano, but practice is continuous. Every time you realise you became distracted, come back to reality. You can set the intention to remain in touch with your real lived experience, and you'll forget, then notice you've drifted into mind-land, and also remember your intention to keep it real.
And keep it together. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 11, 2024 17:23:56 GMT -5
I'm cautious of speaking for him, but if his process (or anyone's) works well for him, why would it be a problem if it doesn't come to an end? Why are you doing something? To achieve something else as a goal,eh? Well, why do you do anything? If you look closely, everything you consciously do, in any moment (or anything you consciously choose NOT do) is acting with purpose. It sounds as if lolly values equanimity highly, and his 'manner' or 'mode' of functioning lends itself to that i.e it works for him. So why would that be a problem....? |
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Post by andrew on Sept 11, 2024 17:24:32 GMT -5
I'm cautious of speaking for him, but if his process (or anyone's) works well for him, why would it be a problem if it doesn't come to an end? The process doesn't concern me, so continue or end makes no difference to me at all. It's more like getting involved in the process, but people don't know they are involved with all that desire and aversion. It's hard to understand that ceasing to do all that is not the same as doing something extra, because the involvement is all we know and we don't know anything else. I simply suggest we can see what's going on if we stop and look. It just depends, I suppose, if you want to know what's true or if you want 'something else'.
makes sense, yeah. |
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Post by melvin on Sept 11, 2024 17:29:06 GMT -5
Yeah, just like the practice in medicine. The more time you allot to treat patients they in and day out, 20 days a month for many years, the treating becomes automatic. It's something to do with focus. The more focus you are in your practice, the more you become adept at it. This practice, as long as your still healthy, never stops. You are addicted to it. I think everything is practice all the time, so I could go from lawn edging to lunch to playing the piano, but practice is continuous. Every time you realise you became distracted, come back to reality. You can set the intention to remain in touch with your real lived experience, and you you'll forget, then notice you've drifted into mind-land, and also remember your intention to keep it real.
Its 24/7 for me using the maha mantra. When my mind wanders, I do the maha mantra. While driving, do the maha mantra, While doing, maha mantra. While walking, do the maha mantra. The maha mantra keeps you focused. Except when I entertain pleasant thoughts, listening to my favorite tunes in spotify. The maha mantra gives me a break once in a while and be ourselves ( separation ). I guess, we are entitled to it. As a whole, we are never separated from God. Its only us who wants separation. That's what we think, but we are not. That's an illusion. We are never separated nor we are independent from God. If we think otherwise, it's an illusion. For example, I want to separate from God because I want to have sex. Even in bed having sex God is always there with you and with your partner. God scripts what you do in bed to make us reach orgasm. When we really come to think, it is so funny after all. God directing it for us. |
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Post by roscod on Sept 11, 2024 18:48:09 GMT -5
That sounds very much like what neuro-science and psychology is now calling a-ha moments. There is a wealth of literature on it. I'm not sure if there is a difference. This wealth changes the word for clarity, into Insight. Is that an issue? Using the concept of a eureka moment or an aha moment, something comes into the mind and provides an understanding that was not present previously, without being preceded by a intellectual, logical or rational process. Are you suggesting Gopal's clarity and insight are different? |
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Post by Gopal on Sept 11, 2024 19:39:48 GMT -5
Why are you doing something? To achieve something else as a goal,eh? Well, why do you do anything? If you look closely, everything you consciously do, in any moment (or anything you consciously choose NOT do) is acting with purpose. It sounds as if lolly values equanimity highly, and his 'manner' or 'mode' of functioning lends itself to that i.e it works for him. So why would that be a problem....? He hasn’t resolved his issue yet. He’s been working on it and will likely continue to do so indefinitely. My point is that conscious efforts won’t solve the problem. We should let the problem resolve itself without trying to intervene. |
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Post by melvin on Sept 11, 2024 20:12:07 GMT -5
Well, why do you do anything? If you look closely, everything you consciously do, in any moment (or anything you consciously choose NOT do) is acting with purpose. It sounds as if lolly values equanimity highly, and his 'manner' or 'mode' of functioning lends itself to that i.e it works for him. So why would that be a problem....? He hasn’t resolved his issue yet. He’s been working on it and will likely continue to do so indefinitely. My point is that conscious efforts won’t solve the problem. We should let the problem resolve itself without trying to intervene. Problems crop up without warning. The problem lies in how we handle these problems. It must be, if possible, without effort. |
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Post by Gopal on Sept 11, 2024 21:45:01 GMT -5
He hasn’t resolved his issue yet. He’s been working on it and will likely continue to do so indefinitely. My point is that conscious efforts won’t solve the problem. We should let the problem resolve itself without trying to intervene. Problems crop up without warning. The problem lies in how we handle these problems. It must be, if possible, without effort. If it is with effort, then problem with effort would repeat. |
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Post by melvin on Sept 11, 2024 21:57:57 GMT -5
Problems crop up without warning. The problem lies in how we handle these problems. It must be, if possible, without effort. If it is with effort, then problem with effort would repeat. There's a saying, " Leave that to God to solve the problem." |
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Post by lolly on Sept 11, 2024 22:03:21 GMT -5
I think everything is practice all the time, so I could go from lawn edging to lunch to playing the piano, but practice is continuous. Every time you realise you became distracted, come back to reality. You can set the intention to remain in touch with your real lived experience, and you you'll forget, then notice you've drifted into mind-land, and also remember your intention to keep it real.
Its 24/7 for me using the maha mantra. When my mind wanders, I do the maha mantra. While driving, do the maha mantra, While doing, maha mantra. While walking, do the maha mantra. The maha mantra keeps you focused. Except when I entertain pleasant thoughts, listening to my favorite tunes in spotify. The maha mantra gives me a break once in a while and be ourselves ( separation ). I guess, we are entitled to it. As a whole, we are never separated from God. Its only us who wants separation. That's what we think, but we are not. That's an illusion. We are never separated nor we are independent from God. If we think otherwise, it's an illusion. For example, I want to separate from God because I want to have sex. Even in bed having sex God is always there with you and with your partner. God scripts what you do in bed to make us reach orgasm. When we really come to think, it is so funny after all. God directing it for us. From my perspective 'It' is already here before anything starts, so for me, a mantra is 'too late', and I don't know anything about God. I'm an aging bachelor, so I don't have sex, but sex is tied to strong desires, desirability and worthiness of love, which can be pretty complicated. |
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