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Post by zendancer on Jul 22, 2024 16:32:49 GMT -5
I didn't say it was easy. It is neither easy nor hard. In fact, it's quite mysterious how that happens. SN simply asked if you were open to that possibility.
FWIW, I agree with you that chasing anything is a misalignment with the All That Is.  Such an openess only exists within a deep trust. Yes, indeed. |
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Post by Gopal on Jul 22, 2024 22:25:01 GMT -5
Stopping is not that easy as you think. After all these years it's been very clear to me that chasing other than what's happening right now clearly indicates the misalignment with All That Is! I didn't say it was easy. It is neither easy nor hard. In fact, it's quite mysterious how that happens. SN simply asked if you were open to that possibility. FWIW, I agree with you that chasing anything is a misalignment with the All That Is. I am pretty sure that chasing may cease to exist with clarity but not with any practice. |
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Post by sharon on Jul 23, 2024 2:44:06 GMT -5
I didn't say it was easy. It is neither easy nor hard. In fact, it's quite mysterious how that happens. SN simply asked if you were open to that possibility. FWIW, I agree with you that chasing anything is a misalignment with the All That Is. I am pretty sure that chasing may cease to exist with clarity but not with any practice. One man's clarity is another man's realisation. |
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Post by zendancer on Jul 23, 2024 6:35:18 GMT -5
I didn't say it was easy. It is neither easy nor hard. In fact, it's quite mysterious how that happens. SN simply asked if you were open to that possibility. FWIW, I agree with you that chasing anything is a misalignment with the All That Is. I am pretty sure that chasing may cease to exist with clarity but not with any practice. True, but meditative activities are highly correlated with awakening events. The cessation of chasing is what a mathematician would call "a discontinuity." It's a sudden acausal event but correlated with activities like meditation, being alone in nature, reading spiritual literature, etc. |
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Post by laughter on Jul 23, 2024 7:04:24 GMT -5
I didn't say it was easy. It is neither easy nor hard. In fact, it's quite mysterious how that happens. SN simply asked if you were open to that possibility. FWIW, I agree with you that chasing anything is a misalignment with the All That Is. I am pretty sure that chasing may cease to exist with clarity but not with any practice. There as many paths to clarity as there are people. For some, it's sudden, for other's it's gradual. Notice the natural movement of mind to question why clarity happens and to question how practice is or isn't related (or causal) to clarity. That movement of mind inevitably leads to confusion if the questions are pursued (past a certain point), with logic and reason. |
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Post by Gopal on Jul 24, 2024 8:30:46 GMT -5
I am pretty sure that chasing may cease to exist with clarity but not with any practice. One man's clarity is another man's realisation. This is spiritual Forum, not story writing forum. |
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Post by Gopal on Jul 24, 2024 8:38:12 GMT -5
I am pretty sure that chasing may cease to exist with clarity but not with any practice. True, but meditative activities are highly correlated with awakening events. The cessation of chasing is what a mathematician would call "a discontinuity." It's a sudden acausal event but correlated with activities like meditation, being alone in nature, reading spiritual literature, etc. I partially agree(because I still wouldn't support meditation), I would tell you a story which happened to me recently, I claimed the mountain recently and I had to stay at the top without cell phones, TV, but no focusing, no meditation, but getting bored watching monkeys and trees, high mountains for 5 days, but suddenly at 5th day, suddenly something tremendously begin to creep in inside my mind, but I don't know what that was. The following day, I descended the mountain and resumed my regular life activities. It became evident that when the mind is at rest, something else seems to take over, although I’m uncertain what that might be. Have you ever experienced something similar? |
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Post by Gopal on Jul 24, 2024 8:39:57 GMT -5
I am pretty sure that chasing may cease to exist with clarity but not with any practice. There as many paths to clarity as there are people. For some, it's sudden, for other's it's gradual. Notice the natural movement of mind to question why clarity happens and to question how practice is or isn't related (or causal) to clarity. That movement of mind inevitably leads to confusion if the questions are pursued (past a certain point), with logic and reason. Seeking continues until mind realizes that seeking itself is hindering the very thing it is seeking for. So, I gave up searching, from then on, things getting clear year after year without my intervention. |
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Post by laughter on Jul 24, 2024 13:49:35 GMT -5
There as many paths to clarity as there are people. For some, it's sudden, for other's it's gradual. Notice the natural movement of mind to question why clarity happens and to question how practice is or isn't related (or causal) to clarity. That movement of mind inevitably leads to confusion if the questions are pursued (past a certain point), with logic and reason. Seeking continues until mind realizes that seeking itself is hindering the very thing it is seeking for. So, I gave up searching, from then on, things getting clear year after year without my intervention. Good to hear man. I can relate. That's what the "practice" people are talking about, it's just that they see their deliberate choice to meditate as integral to that process. I'd say, they are neither right, nor wrong, just describing the way life seems to them. |
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Post by Gopal on Jul 24, 2024 20:37:41 GMT -5
Seeking continues until mind realizes that seeking itself is hindering the very thing it is seeking for. So, I gave up searching, from then on, things getting clear year after year without my intervention. Good to hear man. I can relate. That's what the "practice" people are talking about, it's just that they see their deliberate choice to meditate as integral to that process. I'd say, they are neither right, nor wrong, just describing the way life seems to them. If you are doing meditation then that's clearly a deliberate choice. |
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Post by sharon on Jul 25, 2024 3:25:43 GMT -5
True, but meditative activities are highly correlated with awakening events. The cessation of chasing is what a mathematician would call "a discontinuity." It's a sudden acausal event but correlated with activities like meditation, being alone in nature, reading spiritual literature, etc. I partially agree(because I still wouldn't support meditation), I would tell you a story which happened to me recently, I claimed the mountain recently and I had to stay at the top without cell phones, TV, but no focusing, no meditation, but getting bored watching monkeys and trees, high mountains for 5 days, but suddenly at 5th day, suddenly something tremendously begin to creep in inside my mind, but I don't know what that was. The following day, I descended the mountain and resumed my regular life activities. It became evident that when the mind is at rest, something else seems to take over, although I’m uncertain what that might be. Have you ever experienced something similar? The monkeys and the trees were probably bored of you perceiving them as Other for 4 days. |
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Post by zendancer on Jul 25, 2024 6:39:37 GMT -5
Good to hear man. I can relate. That's what the "practice" people are talking about, it's just that they see their deliberate choice to meditate as integral to that process. I'd say, they are neither right, nor wrong, just describing the way life seems to them. If you are doing meditation then that's clearly a deliberate choice. The illusion is thinking that there's a "me" choosing to meditate. Choosing NOT to meditate falls into the same category. |
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Post by zendancer on Jul 25, 2024 6:42:55 GMT -5
True, but meditative activities are highly correlated with awakening events. The cessation of chasing is what a mathematician would call "a discontinuity." It's a sudden acausal event but correlated with activities like meditation, being alone in nature, reading spiritual literature, etc. I partially agree(because I still wouldn't support meditation), I would tell you a story which happened to me recently, I claimed the mountain recently and I had to stay at the top without cell phones, TV, but no focusing, no meditation, but getting bored watching monkeys and trees, high mountains for 5 days, but suddenly at 5th day, suddenly something tremendously begin to creep in inside my mind, but I don't know what that was. The following day, I descended the mountain and resumed my regular life activities. It became evident that when the mind is at rest, something else seems to take over, although I’m uncertain what that might be. Have you ever experienced something similar? Yes, but that "something else" doesn't take over only when the mind is at rest. It's always present but goes unnoticed. |
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Post by andrew on Jul 25, 2024 7:49:07 GMT -5
True, but meditative activities are highly correlated with awakening events. The cessation of chasing is what a mathematician would call "a discontinuity." It's a sudden acausal event but correlated with activities like meditation, being alone in nature, reading spiritual literature, etc. I partially agree(because I still wouldn't support meditation), I would tell you a story which happened to me recently, I claimed the mountain recently and I had to stay at the top without cell phones, TV, but no focusing, no meditation, but getting bored watching monkeys and trees, high mountains for 5 days, but suddenly at 5th day, suddenly something tremendously begin to creep in inside my mind, but I don't know what that was. The following day, I descended the mountain and resumed my regular life activities. It became evident that when the mind is at rest, something else seems to take over, although I’m uncertain what that might be. Have you ever experienced something similar? Sounds like you were slipping into a spiritual experience. |
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Post by Gopal on Jul 25, 2024 12:27:44 GMT -5
If you are doing meditation then that's clearly a deliberate choice. The illusion is thinking that there's a "me" choosing to meditate. Choosing NOT to meditate falls into the same category. I disagree! |
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