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Post by Gopal on Jul 2, 2024 7:26:50 GMT -5
You may desire something so strongly and what you strongly desire always reach you without your effort but trying to achieve is the problem I am saying, that's what I would like to name it as chasing. Transcending a problem does not involve chasing. I getcha. Transcending a problem means? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 2, 2024 9:15:05 GMT -5
Transcending a problem does not involve chasing. I getcha. Transcending a problem means? He means what you have described is the meaning of transcending. The "problem" can't be solved on the level the "problem" is. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jul 5, 2024 9:57:37 GMT -5
Transcending a problem does not involve chasing. I getcha. Transcending a problem means? What is the problem? How/'Where' is it formulated? What are its parameters? Discover that which is not bound by its structure, and it may not arise again. And again. And yet again... Its form may be as an informed answer to a worldly problem, as an informed insight into a metaphysical issue, or perhaps even cracks the egg as realization itself. ~Intelligence~ |
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Post by Gopal on Jul 7, 2024 8:48:05 GMT -5
Transcending a problem means? He means what you have described is the meaning of transcending. The "problem" can't be solved on the level the "problem" is. Okay, thanks for clarifying. |
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Post by Gopal on Jul 7, 2024 8:50:56 GMT -5
Transcending a problem means? What is the problem? How/'Where' is it formulated? What are its parameters? Discover that which is not bound by its structure, and it may not arise again. And again. And yet again... Its form may be as an informed answer to a worldly problem, as an informed insight into a metaphysical issue, or perhaps even cracks the egg as realization itself. ~Intelligence~ I comprehend your point. However, my perspective is that chasing anything beyond the current moment tends to create issues in our lives. Yet, we can’t cease this chasing, as the act of stopping the chasing becomes a chasing in itself. |
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Post by zazeniac on Jul 8, 2024 8:37:13 GMT -5
How about avoiding? Chaseless chasing. I love it. Some folks chase their tail. Wonder if they even know? They must. Maybe not--sacred doubt. I remember tying my dog's leash to one of those little lawn chairs while watching my son's soccer game. The ball came close to her, the dog, and she gave chase until she realized the chair was chasing her. Quite an event. Soccer comedy. The chair chasing the dog and the players and I chasing the chair.
Don't know who said "life is what happens while your busy planning for the future" or words to that effect.
What happens to the roller coaster if you stop?
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Post by Gopal on Jul 8, 2024 22:26:55 GMT -5
How about avoiding? Chaseless chasing. I love it. Some folks chase their tail. Wonder if they even know? They must. Maybe not--sacred doubt. I remember tying my dog's leash to one of those little lawn chairs while watching my son's soccer game. The ball came close to her, the dog, and she gave chase until she realized the chair was chasing her. Quite an event. Soccer comedy. The chair chasing the dog and the players and I chasing the chair. Don't know who said "life is what happens while your busy planning for the future" or words to that effect. What happens to the roller coaster if you stop? It starts to define each other in a normalized way. Not too high and not too low. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jul 9, 2024 16:47:25 GMT -5
What is the problem? How/'Where' is it formulated? What are its parameters? Discover that which is not bound by its structure, and it may not arise again. And again. And yet again... Its form may be as an informed answer to a worldly problem, as an informed insight into a metaphysical issue, or perhaps even cracks the egg as realization itself. ~Intelligence~ I comprehend your point. However, my perspective is that chasing anything beyond the current moment tends to create issues in our lives. Yet, we can’t cease this chasing, as the act of stopping the chasing becomes a chasing in itself. Yes, paradox pretzels are inevitable in mind-based chasing. 🥨 Is receptiveness to Intelligence a form of chasing, or simply coming empty? |
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Post by Gopal on Jul 14, 2024 19:00:53 GMT -5
I comprehend your point. However, my perspective is that chasing anything beyond the current moment tends to create issues in our lives. Yet, we can’t cease this chasing, as the act of stopping the chasing becomes a chasing in itself. Yes, paradox pretzels are inevitable in mind-based chasing. 🥨 Is receptiveness to Intelligence a form of chasing, or simply coming empty? Why receptiveness to the intelligence is needed.? |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jul 20, 2024 9:29:54 GMT -5
Yes, paradox pretzels are inevitable in mind-based chasing. 🥨 Is receptiveness to Intelligence a form of chasing, or simply coming empty? Why receptiveness to the intelligence is needed.? Even the simplest of logic could answer that, regardless of whether mind is SR-informed or not. It's almost as if you are proffering a roller coaster ride with paradox pretzel loops.  |
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Post by Gopal on Jul 22, 2024 4:44:05 GMT -5
Why receptiveness to the intelligence is needed.? Even the simplest of logic could answer that, regardless of whether mind is SR-informed or not. It's almost as if you are proffering a roller coaster ride with paradox pretzel loops. Don't know what you are talking now. I am saying chasing indicates that something is wrong, or we are not creating the reality with our being. |
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Post by zendancer on Jul 22, 2024 7:18:36 GMT -5
Even the simplest of logic could answer that, regardless of whether mind is SR-informed or not. It's almost as if you are proffering a roller coaster ride with paradox pretzel loops. Don't know what you are talking now. I am saying chasing indicates that something is wrong, or we are not creating the reality with our being. SN is suggesting that the vast intelligence manifesting reality is different than the tiny intelligence of the intellect, and if one is open to the functionality of that greater intelligence, which is a passive approach of simply watching how reality unfolds and responding accordingly, there is no chasing after anything. One exists with no agenda in an open-minded state of being. He can correct me if I've misinterpreted him. Stopping can be either volitional (which is a kind of illusion) or non-volitional. Gangaji enjoys telling people that when Papaji told her to stop chasing enlightenment, his message was heard in some mysteriously-intuitive way, and that ended her chasing. She didn't do anything to stop; she simply heard the admonition and the intelligence of THIS, in her form, understood and responded. She was sufficiently open that the message went IN. |
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Post by Gopal on Jul 22, 2024 11:37:31 GMT -5
Don't know what you are talking now. I am saying chasing indicates that something is wrong, or we are not creating the reality with our being. SN is suggesting that the vast intelligence manifesting reality is different than the tiny intelligence of the intellect, and if one is open to the functionality of that greater intelligence, which is a passive approach of simply watching how reality unfolds and responding accordingly, there is no chasing after anything. One exists with no agenda in an open-minded state of being. He can correct me if I've misinterpreted him. Stopping can be either volitional (which is a kind of illusion) or non-volitional. Gangaji enjoys telling people that when Papaji told her to stop chasing enlightenment, his message was heard in some mysteriously-intuitive way, and that ended her chasing. She didn't do anything to stop; she simply heard the admonition and the intelligence of THIS, in her form, understood and responded. She was sufficiently open that the message went IN. Stopping is not that easy as you think. After all these years it's been very clear to me that chasing other than what's happening right now clearly indicates the misalignment with All That Is! |
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Post by zendancer on Jul 22, 2024 13:04:46 GMT -5
SN is suggesting that the vast intelligence manifesting reality is different than the tiny intelligence of the intellect, and if one is open to the functionality of that greater intelligence, which is a passive approach of simply watching how reality unfolds and responding accordingly, there is no chasing after anything. One exists with no agenda in an open-minded state of being. He can correct me if I've misinterpreted him. Stopping can be either volitional (which is a kind of illusion) or non-volitional. Gangaji enjoys telling people that when Papaji told her to stop chasing enlightenment, his message was heard in some mysteriously-intuitive way, and that ended her chasing. She didn't do anything to stop; she simply heard the admonition and the intelligence of THIS, in her form, understood and responded. She was sufficiently open that the message went IN. Stopping is not that easy as you think. After all these years it's been very clear to me that chasing other than what's happening right now clearly indicates the misalignment with All That Is! I didn't say it was easy. It is neither easy nor hard. In fact, it's quite mysterious how that happens. SN simply asked if you were open to that possibility. FWIW, I agree with you that chasing anything is a misalignment with the All That Is.  |
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Post by sharon on Jul 22, 2024 15:32:59 GMT -5
Stopping is not that easy as you think. After all these years it's been very clear to me that chasing other than what's happening right now clearly indicates the misalignment with All That Is! I didn't say it was easy. It is neither easy nor hard. In fact, it's quite mysterious how that happens. SN simply asked if you were open to that possibility.
FWIW, I agree with you that chasing anything is a misalignment with the All That Is. Such an openess only exists within a deep trust. |
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