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Post by tenka on Aug 17, 2024 13:36:32 GMT -5
Can you relate your understanding to what I actually asked? I gave an actual example for you to reference. 'Let's say Enigma's passing of late. Would that be an example of being outside of your control even though there is only one'.Was Enigma's passing out of your control even though you declare there is only one.  Well I am trying to ascertain what is in your control and what isn't even though there are no actual individuals in your premise. Why would something be in 'all that is's control' and something not. You see there has to be a foundation for what you are to begin with. Either everything is under control or everything isn't. There are no half way houses here. If the individual in your eyes is just a perspective and not actual then everything is under your immediate control right because you are God right? (for use of a better word) |
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Post by tenka on Aug 17, 2024 13:46:09 GMT -5
Can you relate your understanding to what I actually asked? I gave an actual example for you to reference. 'Let's say Enigma's passing of late. Would that be an example of being outside of your control even though there is only one'.Was Enigma's passing out of your control even though you declare there is only one. Well, they would be just dream tears. But it does beg the question, how far have they been buying into the apparent reality of the dream if whatever happens there continues to makes them mad or sad? That's what's not adding up. Why pretend your stepford spouse or child or politician is real? Or is it the other way around, they take them for real because on an experiential level they always are real to them, and they only pretend they are not real in philosophical discussions? That seems the more likely option. A strange game of pretense instead of full immersion in the NOW. I was happy to see the humanity shinning through in regards to peeps genuine fondness of the frog. Although I had epic convos with him, I felt he was part of our family so to speak like many here do. I also couldn't help notice that peeps who don't refer themselves or anyone else as peeps put all that aside in these instances. It is the whole thing of saying one thing and doing another which I have always put forward as a self measure of self truth. True realisation Kant be picked up and dropped as and when it suits in my eyes. It has to be completely lived, there is no other margin. |
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Post by sharon on Aug 17, 2024 16:12:10 GMT -5
You could have used a hundred examples in the world of events that are not in Gopal's control but you chose this one. It just shows me what kind of a man you are. |
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Post by melvin on Aug 17, 2024 18:13:11 GMT -5
Yes, when my pregnant girlfriend ( wife ) decided we elope against the wishes of her parents. She just finished college and started working, being the eldest among 11 siblings. I was yet into my senior clerkship in medicine. This song led us to stop chasing and to hell what our parents would say. I’m referring to something different. Only those who are in a similar state can truly grasp what I’m saying. They have a deep, long-standing desire to achieve it, and this internal pursuit has taken various forms over time. ![]() Maybe this is how it's meant, 1) The act of pursuing or " chasing " after something ( e.g a goal, desire, person) is where the problem lies, rather than the thing itself. The focus of the pursuit can cause more issues than the actual object or outcome. 2) The problem arises from the constant need to chase, pursue, or seek out things, rather than being content or present with one already has. The restlessness of always needing to chase something new is the source of the problem. 3) The act of chasing pursuing or desiring, can be the root cause of problems, rather than the thing being chased. The attachment and striving is where the real issue lies. |
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Post by inavalan on Aug 17, 2024 19:43:24 GMT -5
I believe that Enigma would've wanted, and even does want it now, for those still alive here to discuss his situation from a spiritual perspective. That's where the rubber hits the road: test your beliefs on specific situations that attract your attention! The fact that we can't do this here, on this "teachers" forum, shows that we generally lack maturity, that most of us just pretend. even if we don't realize it (that would be a "realization" ... wouldn't it?). Enigma's illness and death, the recent failed assassination attempt, the opinions of the masses on various subjects, specific wars and conflicts, gender and sex opinions, and everything else should be individually interpreted (intuitively) by everyone who is impressed by that situation, and why not, shared with the others openly. There shouldn't be arguments or debates, because everybody is at a different point in his spiritual quest. We are all wrong to some degree, and there is no qualified external judge; just the inner ones. We might all be right of one thing: that all the others are wrong  |
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Post by Gopal on Aug 17, 2024 21:32:41 GMT -5
I’m referring to something different. Only those who are in a similar state can truly grasp what I’m saying. They have a deep, long-standing desire to achieve it, and this internal pursuit has taken various forms over time. ![]() Maybe this is how it's meant, 1) The act of pursuing or " chasing " after something ( e.g a goal, desire, person) is where the problem lies, rather than the thing itself. The focus of the pursuit can cause more issues than the actual object or outcome. 2) The problem arises from the constant need to chase, pursue, or seek out things, rather than being content or present with one already has. The restlessness of always needing to chase something new is the source of the problem. 3) The act of chasing pursuing or desiring, can be the root cause of problems, rather than the thing being chased. The attachment and striving is where the real issue lies. Yes, and also Chasing expressed via devising the plan. |
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Post by Gopal on Aug 17, 2024 22:04:16 GMT -5
Well I am trying to ascertain what is in your control and what isn't even though there are no actual individuals in your premise. Why would something be in 'all that is's control' and something not. You see there has to be a foundation for what you are to begin with. Either everything is under control or everything isn't. There are no half way houses here. If the individual in your eyes is just a perspective and not actual then everything is under your immediate control right because you are God right? (for use of a better word)Yes, everything is in my control. All That Is is simply imaging this reality. It can imagine anything else in the next moment. |
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Post by lolly on Aug 17, 2024 23:05:35 GMT -5
Where there is chasing there is also running away, and it's easy to give up the chase because it hasn't even happened, but what you run from will then catch up, and that's harder, because it has happened and isn't avoidable. It is impossible to stop the chasing, you can't do it. That's why one should be having another realization that 'nothing can be done' to get rid of something from our experience, it has to happen automatically. The reason is your aversions repel you away so you chase something else, and since that's been working all this time, you keep doing it. Over time it was ingrained as the default and now it happens automatically. You have to be more conscious of what's going on with yourself, or continue the same as you have been all this time.
I have never said get rid of something. That impulse is aversion toward that thing, so you're already running, so it's better to look at what is already happening automatically, because waiting for (and wanting) 'something else' to is a symptom of what I just described.
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Post by sharon on Aug 18, 2024 3:16:28 GMT -5
I believe that Enigma would've wanted, and even does want it now, for those still alive here to discuss his situation from a spiritual perspective. That's where the rubber hits the road: test your beliefs on specific situations that attract your attention! The fact that we can't do this here, on this "teachers" forum, shows that we generally lack maturity, that most of us just pretend. even if we don't realize it (that would be a "realization" ... wouldn't it?). Enigma's illness and death, the recent failed assassination attempt, the opinions of the masses on various subjects, specific wars and conflicts, gender and sex opinions, and everything else should be individually interpreted (intuitively) by everyone who is impressed by that situation, and why not, shared with the others openly. There shouldn't be arguments or debates, because everybody is at a different point in his spiritual quest. We are all wrong to some degree, and there is no qualified external judge; just the inner ones. We might all be right of one thing: that all the others are wrong And no one is ever as right as they think they are without the perception of others that are wrong. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 18, 2024 5:47:18 GMT -5
It is impossible to stop the chasing, you can't do it. That's why one should be having another realization that 'nothing can be done' to get rid of something from our experience, it has to happen automatically. The reason is your aversions repel you away so you chase something else, and since that's been working all this time, you keep doing it. Over time it was ingrained as the default and now it happens automatically. You have to be more conscious of what's going on with yourself, or continue the same as you have been all this time. I have never said get rid of something. That impulse is aversion toward that thing, so you're already running, so it's better to look at what is already happening automatically, because waiting for (and wanting) 'something else' to is a symptom of what I just described.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 18, 2024 5:50:05 GMT -5
Well I am trying to ascertain what is in your control and what isn't even though there are no actual individuals in your premise. Why would something be in 'all that is's control' and something not. You see there has to be a foundation for what you are to begin with. Either everything is under control or everything isn't. There are no half way houses here. If the individual in your eyes is just a perspective and not actual then everything is under your immediate control right because you are God right? (for use of a better word)Yes, everything is in my control. All That Is is simply imaging this reality. It can imagine anything else in the next moment. No, it can't. In a card game, it can't imagine 3 of a kind beats a full house. |
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Post by tenka on Aug 18, 2024 5:53:45 GMT -5
You could have used a hundred examples in the world of events that are not in Gopal's control but you chose this one. It just shows me what kind of a man you are. I used this example because it is current and most members were sending the frog healing daily as was I. Sending healing daily because that's what kind of man I am, not what poisoned and bitter image you are coming up with. I have reported your post. I am not having it. Your image is so bitter and twisted I genuinely feel sorry for the way you feel. |
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Post by tenka on Aug 18, 2024 5:57:09 GMT -5
Yes, everything is in my control. All That Is is simply imaging this reality. It can imagine anything else in the next moment. No, it can't. In a card game, it can't imagine 3 of a kind beats a full house. Unfortunately Gopal swaps platforms from 'an all that is' scenario to a personal one when there is only an individual perspective had that can only witness and do nothing else. I don't mind at times engaging in his premises like you and a handful of other's do but it's not easy because of the contextual mess as reefs always point out. |
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Post by tenka on Aug 18, 2024 6:05:53 GMT -5
Well I am trying to ascertain what is in your control and what isn't even though there are no actual individuals in your premise. Why would something be in 'all that is's control' and something not. You see there has to be a foundation for what you are to begin with. Either everything is under control or everything isn't. There are no half way houses here. If the individual in your eyes is just a perspective and not actual then everything is under your immediate control right because you are God right? (for use of a better word)All That Is is simply imaging this reality. It can imagine anything else in the next moment. You are personalising 'all that is' being in control of all there is that isn't personal. How is all that is, imagining anything? Of course what you are proclaiming is all theory which is fine, but it would help if you think that all that is, is planning your non existent next step. Which in my eyes makes no sense at all. |
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Post by tenka on Aug 18, 2024 6:19:49 GMT -5
I believe that Enigma would've wanted, and even does want it now, for those still alive here to discuss his situation from a spiritual perspective. That's where the rubber hits the road: test your beliefs on specific situations that attract your attention! The fact that we can't do this here, on this "teachers" forum, shows that we generally lack maturity, that most of us just pretend. even if we don't realize it (that would be a "realization" ... wouldn't it?). Enigma's illness and death, the recent failed assassination attempt, the opinions of the masses on various subjects, specific wars and conflicts, gender and sex opinions, and everything else should be individually interpreted (intuitively) by everyone who is impressed by that situation, and why not, shared with the others openly. There shouldn't be arguments or debates, because everybody is at a different point in his spiritual quest. We are all wrong to some degree, and there is no qualified external judge; just the inner ones. We might all be right of one thing: that all the others are wrong I always like to use everyday situations when speaking to non dualists, like going to the shops or getting ready for work, when peeps either claim to be non identified or unattached or not even here at all for all these ordinary events are genuinely quite telling. The passing over of someone is one of those things that happens and due to the fact that most here were trying to save the frog so he can spend more time with his family is something that comes from peeps hearts because we all know how that feels to some degree when we lose them from this reality. Now what came to mind and what put a smile on my face was E's famous split mind convo's. A position he found himself in of late wanting to get well and strong to be with his family and on the other hand an aspect of himself that knew that a transition was inevitable. It is an interesting topic being caught in a split mind situation because for most we are not aware of all self aspects at the same time. |
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