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Post by tenka on Aug 16, 2024 13:16:21 GMT -5
Butt you said, 'If you are chasing something which is out of your control'. Can you give an example of what one could chase that isn't in their immediate control even though there is only one? Let's say Enigma's passing of late. Would that be an example of being outside of your control even though there is only one. What does that mean if there was no immediate control of that, even though there were many that were trying to help him stay of this world a little longer. A child who sets a goal to achieve the top mark in class will continue to pursue it even if he doesn’t succeed initially. This pursuit, or ‘chasing,’ persists. He creates a plan and follows it diligently. Whether it’s striving for a goal or trying to overcome emotions like anger or irritation, it’s all a form of chasing. When you chase something desirable, you also start chasing solutions to fix issues in your life in other areas. The initial chase (desirable state) leads to subsequent ones (fixing the problem), but since we are often unaware of this, we end up trying to fix our problems endlessly without success. Can you relate your understanding to what I actually asked? I gave an actual example for you to reference. 'Let's say Enigma's passing of late. Would that be an example of being outside of your control even though there is only one'.Was Enigma's passing out of your control even though you declare there is only one. |
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Post by tenka on Aug 16, 2024 13:20:48 GMT -5
It's not success that you're after it's the intent and focus of having a goal that is wanted. The goal doesn't matter. What's satisfying is the applcation of potential throughout the day, the feeling of worthiness. Having something important to do is what is desired. The achievement itself is the end of those feelings, so that's not really wanted. When it expresses itself, the creation is effortless and often receives much appreciation. There’s no need to set a goal for this; it simply happens, and you recognize that the creation flows through you without any effort on your part. Butt there are no individual perspectives according to you. I am asking you if you can understand that there are individuals that are not separate from all there is and you say there are no individual other's. It's not about other's that are separate from all there is. Then you speak about Individual perspectives that are not separate form all there is lol. You either understand the nature of individuality or you don't. At present you are cross dressing. |
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Post by tenka on Aug 16, 2024 13:26:57 GMT -5
From my understanding everyone that passes over into the next realm has the opportunity to merge with Source for use of a better word. There can be a different perspective had from the spirit realms where aspects of self knowing and remembrance can come flooding back once the veil of ignorance has been lifted. For many, it takes a physical death for that to happen. Transcending the material world is difficult, because the veil can be firmly covering potential expanded awareness for many a reason. Everyone can self realise from the spirit side of life, it's merely an intention had to make it so. From the physical side of life with ignorance and amnesia at the forefront makes it so difficult. That's why it can take lifetimes after lifetimes even though there is an inner knowing of what you are regardless.For some reason, some non dualists think that when this dream lifetime is over one dissolves back into nothingness. It simply isn't true. I am more than happy for peeps to find that out for themselves at some point. This is where we differ. You are choosing lifetimes after lifetimes, because of, your intrinsic interest in form and the joy of the limitations of it. Well if you are not remembering what you are from this side of the fence and intention alone won't bring that to the fore then there is something of this world experience that is limiting to certain degrees. This in comparison to a different world experience that can bring about the realisation as soon as one has thoughtful intention to do so. As I understand it through remembering incarnations had, it is a continuation of experience that allows one to see the woods through the trees. Most don't remember what they did this time last year on this day let alone remember realisations had 500 lifetimes ago. |
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Post by andrew on Aug 16, 2024 15:54:54 GMT -5
Could you give more detail about 'goals' and 'devised plans' here? For example, 2 year olds can have 'goals' to get things they want. And in getting them, they get the emotional state they want. They probably aren't consciously thinking about the emotional state, but the emotional state of 'satisfaction' is still what they want. Whether it's a specific toy, or a particular drink....2 year olds can be pretty smart at getting what they want, and using emotion to get it. So maybe a bit further clarification would be useful, if you feel like it. Set a goal to buy an apple from the shop. Set a goal to experience the Love or happy. Do you feel the difference? There's differences that could be talked about there, yeah. |
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Post by sharon on Aug 16, 2024 18:02:02 GMT -5
It's not success that you're after it's the intent and focus of having a goal that is wanted. The goal doesn't matter. What's satisfying is the application of potential throughout the day, the feeling of worthiness. Having something important to do is what is desired. The achievement itself is the end of those feelings, so that's not really wanted. Based on my experience, “All That Is” continually brings forth new creations through its individual perspectives. When it expresses itself, the creation is effortless and often receives much appreciation. There’s no need to set a goal for this; it simply happens, and you recognize that the creation flows through you without any effort on your part. This humility affects Reality in ways that can't be measured. |
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Post by sharon on Aug 16, 2024 18:11:00 GMT -5
A child who sets a goal to achieve the top mark in class will continue to pursue it even if he doesn’t succeed initially. This pursuit, or ‘chasing,’ persists. He creates a plan and follows it diligently. Whether it’s striving for a goal or trying to overcome emotions like anger or irritation, it’s all a form of chasing. When you chase something desirable, you also start chasing solutions to fix issues in your life in other areas. The initial chase (desirable state) leads to subsequent ones (fixing the problem), but since we are often unaware of this, we end up trying to fix our problems endlessly without success. Can you relate your understanding to what I actually asked? I gave an actual example for you to reference. 'Let's say Enigma's passing of late. Would that be an example of being outside of your control even though there is only one'.Was Enigma's passing out of your control even though you declare there is only one. Too soon Tenka. |
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Post by melvin on Aug 16, 2024 19:54:48 GMT -5
Could you give more detail about 'goals' and 'devised plans' here? For example, 2 year olds can have 'goals' to get things they want. And in getting them, they get the emotional state they want. They probably aren't consciously thinking about the emotional state, but the emotional state of 'satisfaction' is still what they want. Whether it's a specific toy, or a particular drink....2 year olds can be pretty smart at getting what they want, and using emotion to get it. So maybe a bit further clarification would be useful, if you feel like it. Set a goal to buy an apple from the shop. Set a goal to experience the Love or happy. Do you feel the difference? Yes, when my pregnant girlfriend ( wife ) decided we elope against the wishes of her parents. She just finished college and started working, being the eldest among 11 siblings. I was yet into my senior clerkship in medicine. This song led us to stop chasing and to hell what our parents would say. |
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Post by Gopal on Aug 17, 2024 0:59:42 GMT -5
A child who sets a goal to achieve the top mark in class will continue to pursue it even if he doesn’t succeed initially. This pursuit, or ‘chasing,’ persists. He creates a plan and follows it diligently. Whether it’s striving for a goal or trying to overcome emotions like anger or irritation, it’s all a form of chasing. When you chase something desirable, you also start chasing solutions to fix issues in your life in other areas. The initial chase (desirable state) leads to subsequent ones (fixing the problem), but since we are often unaware of this, we end up trying to fix our problems endlessly without success. Can you relate your understanding to what I actually asked? I gave an actual example for you to reference. 'Let's say Enigma's passing of late. Would that be an example of being outside of your control even though there is only one'.Was Enigma's passing out of your control even though you declare there is only one.  |
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Post by Gopal on Aug 17, 2024 1:01:44 GMT -5
Based on my experience, “All That Is” continually brings forth new creations through its individual perspectives. When it expresses itself, the creation is effortless and often receives much appreciation. There’s no need to set a goal for this; it simply happens, and you recognize that the creation flows through you without any effort on your part. Butt there are no individual perspectives according to you. I am asking you if you can understand that there are individuals that are not separate from all there is and you say there are no individual other's. It's not about other's that are separate from all there is. Then you speak about Individual perspectives that are not separate form all there is lol. You either understand the nature of individuality or you don't. At present you are cross dressing. There are individuated perspectives, but there are not individuals. Do you see the difference? All That Is expresses itself as Individual, that's the view point of All That Is. For an example, I am one of the view point of All That Is, You are another view point of All That Is(If you are real which I can't know from my view point). |
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Post by Gopal on Aug 17, 2024 1:03:33 GMT -5
Set a goal to buy an apple from the shop. Set a goal to experience the Love or happy. Do you feel the difference? There's differences that could be talked about there, yeah. That's it Andrew. |
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Post by Gopal on Aug 17, 2024 1:04:56 GMT -5
Set a goal to buy an apple from the shop. Set a goal to experience the Love or happy. Do you feel the difference? Yes, when my pregnant girlfriend ( wife ) decided we elope against the wishes of her parents. She just finished college and started working, being the eldest among 11 siblings. I was yet into my senior clerkship in medicine. This song led us to stop chasing and to hell what our parents would say. I’m referring to something different. Only those who are in a similar state can truly grasp what I’m saying. They have a deep, long-standing desire to achieve it, and this internal pursuit has taken various forms over time. |
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Post by lolly on Aug 17, 2024 8:29:10 GMT -5
Yes, when my pregnant girlfriend ( wife ) decided we elope against the wishes of her parents. She just finished college and started working, being the eldest among 11 siblings. I was yet into my senior clerkship in medicine. This song led us to stop chasing and to hell what our parents would say. I’m referring to something different. Only those who are in a similar state can truly grasp what I’m saying. They have a deep, long-standing desire to achieve it, and this internal pursuit has taken various forms over time. Where there is chasing there is also running away, and it's easy to give up the chase because it hasn't even happened, but what you run from will then catch up, and that's harder, because it has happened and isn't avoidable. |
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Post by Gopal on Aug 17, 2024 8:51:35 GMT -5
I’m referring to something different. Only those who are in a similar state can truly grasp what I’m saying. They have a deep, long-standing desire to achieve it, and this internal pursuit has taken various forms over time. Where there is chasing there is also running away, and it's easy to give up the chase because it hasn't even happened, but what you run from will then catch up, and that's harder, because it has happened and isn't avoidable. It is impossible to stop the chasing, you can't do it. That's why one should be having another realization that 'nothing can be done' to get rid of something from our experience, it has to happen automatically. |
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Post by inavalan on Aug 17, 2024 13:09:19 GMT -5
A child who sets a goal to achieve the top mark in class will continue to pursue it even if he doesn’t succeed initially. This pursuit, or ‘chasing,’ persists. He creates a plan and follows it diligently. Whether it’s striving for a goal or trying to overcome emotions like anger or irritation, it’s all a form of chasing. When you chase something desirable, you also start chasing solutions to fix issues in your life in other areas. The initial chase (desirable state) leads to subsequent ones (fixing the problem), but since we are often unaware of this, we end up trying to fix our problems endlessly without success. Can you relate your understanding to what I actually asked? I gave an actual example for you to reference. 'Let's say Enigma's passing of late. Would that be an example of being outside of your control even though there is only one'.Was Enigma's passing out of your control even though you declare there is only one. I think niz was totally in grief for a while after his master passed . You see, this is what doesn't add up when peeps elevate their teachers regarding non identity and the illusory self and the dream world when in actuality there was the emotional distraught in effect . If you were totally in awareness of the dream, and living the dream, there would be no tears . Well, they would be just dream tears. But it does beg the question, how far have they been buying into the apparent reality of the dream if whatever happens there continues to makes them mad or sad? That's what's not adding up. Why pretend your stepford spouse or child or politician is real? Or is it the other way around, they take them for real because on an experiential level they always are real to them, and they only pretend they are not real in philosophical discussions? That seems the more likely option. A strange game of pretense instead of full immersion in the NOW. |
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Post by tenka on Aug 17, 2024 13:31:20 GMT -5
Can you relate your understanding to what I actually asked? I gave an actual example for you to reference. 'Let's say Enigma's passing of late. Would that be an example of being outside of your control even though there is only one'.Was Enigma's passing out of your control even though you declare there is only one. Too soon Tenka. For you? |
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