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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 18, 2024 6:51:41 GMT -5
No, it can't. In a card game, it can't imagine 3 of a kind beats a full house. Unfortunately Gopal swaps platforms from 'an all that is' scenario to a personal one when there is only an individual perspective had that can only witness and do nothing else. I don't mind at times engaging in his premises like you and a handful of other's do but it's not easy because of the contextual mess as reefs always point out. Well, he's sorting through it all. It's not easy to get it right. And he's taking his realizations, and trying to fit other people's realizations into what he sees. That's not a good recipe. But he is presently up against a fallacy. But you can't directly point out the truth to someone else, as they can't see outside of their own box. The world is a hall of mirrors. Now I'm trying to figure out a way to tell sharon she's wrong, but she's not wrong. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 18, 2024 7:26:43 GMT -5
I believe that Enigma would've wanted, and even does want it now, for those still alive here to discuss his situation from a spiritual perspective. That's where the rubber hits the road: test your beliefs on specific situations that attract your attention! The fact that we can't do this here, on this "teachers" forum, shows that we generally lack maturity, that most of us just pretend. even if we don't realize it (that would be a "realization" ... wouldn't it?). Enigma's illness and death, the recent failed assassination attempt, the opinions of the masses on various subjects, specific wars and conflicts, gender and sex opinions, and everything else should be individually interpreted (intuitively) by everyone who is impressed by that situation, and why not, shared with the others openly. There shouldn't be arguments or debates, because everybody is at a different point in his spiritual quest. We are all wrong to some degree, and there is no qualified external judge; just the inner ones. We might all be right of one thing: that all the others are wrong  And no one is ever as right as they think they are without the perception of others that are wrong. This is not necessarily true. Basically, everyone is looking for the answer to the mystery of self. I say self is a seed, literally a seed. Not the so-called SVP, that's merely the shell, the husk, the hull, the chaff. Take a seed, I can know almost everything there is to know about a seed, except what if I miss its fundamental attribute? Unless you know a lot of science, or have seen a seed in action, over time, you'll never know its fundamental aspect. You can't ~*see*~ what a seed is, just by looking at a seed. It has a genetic structure you can't know anything about, from mere external examination. The first guy to get a clue was Gregor Mendel, growing pea plants. Everybody is their own first Gregor Mendel. "First you have to row a little boat". Now we have sequenced the entire human genome, but knowing all that, we still know virtually nothing about the significance of a human being, there is still yet more hidden structure. If I know everything, up to here, that doesn't mean I'm wrong. But it means, there's further. There is more deep structure. A seed has to die to what it is, to go further, to fulfill its purpose. Not every acorn becomes an oak tree. Some are eaten by hogs, or squirrels, some just rot. Most seeds are content to be merely seeds, food for hogs. As ~human~ seeds, we have to plant ourselves in a certain soil, give ourselves sunlight, water, nutrients, or we'll just remain seeds. You can't tell a seed, you're wrong, being a seed. They're not wrong. |
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Post by sharon on Aug 18, 2024 7:57:57 GMT -5
And no one is ever as right as they think they are without the perception of others that are wrong. This is not necessarily true. Basically, everyone is looking for the answer to the mystery of self. I say self is a seed, literally a seed. Not the so-called SVP, that's merely the shell, the husk, the hull, the chaff. Take a seed, I can know almost everything there is to know about a seed, except what if I miss its fundamental attribute? Unless you know a lot of science, or have seen a seed in action, over time, you'll never know its fundamental aspect. You can't ~*see*~ what a seed is, just by looking at a seed. It has a genetic structure you can't know anything about, from mere external examination. The first guy to get a clue was Gregor Mendel, growing pea plants. Everybody is their own first Gregor Mendel. "First you have to row a little boat". Now we have sequenced the entire human genome, but knowing all that, we still know virtually nothing about the significance of a human being, there is still yet more hidden structure. If I know everything, up to here, that doesn't mean I'm wrong. But it means, there's further. There is more deep structure. A seed has to die to what it is, to go further, to fulfill its purpose. Not every acorn becomes an oak tree. Some are eaten by hogs, or squirrels, some just rot. Most seeds are content to be merely seeds, food for hogs. As ~human~ seeds, we have to plant ourselves in a certain soil, give ourselves sunlight, water, nutrients, or we'll just remain seeds. You can't tell a seed, you're wrong, being a seed. They're not wrong. If it's a mystery then just leave it at that. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 18, 2024 8:05:59 GMT -5
This is not necessarily true. Basically, everyone is looking for the answer to the mystery of self. I say self is a seed, literally a seed. Not the so-called SVP, that's merely the shell, the husk, the hull, the chaff. Take a seed, I can know almost everything there is to know about a seed, except what if I miss its fundamental attribute? Unless you know a lot of science, or have seen a seed in action, over time, you'll never know its fundamental aspect. You can't ~*see*~ what a seed is, just by looking at a seed. It has a genetic structure you can't know anything about, from mere external examination. The first guy to get a clue was Gregor Mendel, growing pea plants. Everybody is their own first Gregor Mendel. "First you have to row a little boat". Now we have sequenced the entire human genome, but knowing all that, we still know virtually nothing about the significance of a human being, there is still yet more hidden structure. If I know everything, up to here, that doesn't mean I'm wrong. But it means, there's further. There is more deep structure. A seed has to die to what it is, to go further, to fulfill its purpose. Not every acorn becomes an oak tree. Some are eaten by hogs, or squirrels, some just rot. Most seeds are content to be merely seeds, food for hogs. As ~human~ seeds, we have to plant ourselves in a certain soil, give ourselves sunlight, water, nutrients, or we'll just remain seeds. You can't tell a seed, you're wrong, being a seed. They're not wrong. If it's a mystery then just leave it at that. I was gone, came back to edit, here is fine. Most seeds, acknowledge they are seeds, and consider that enough. That's a tragedy. |
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Post by sharon on Aug 18, 2024 8:06:13 GMT -5
You could have used a hundred examples in the world of events that are not in Gopal's control but you chose this one. It just shows me what kind of a man you are. and most members were sending the frog healing daily as was I. Sending healing daily because that's what kind of man I am, not what poisoned and bitter image you are coming up with. I have reported your post. I am not having it. Your image is so bitter and twisted I genuinely feel sorry for the way you feel. But you didn't just use it once, you tried digging in and repeating it. This shows, at least to me, a flagrant disregard for the recently deceased and the emotional impact of that. You've since gone on to say, I sent some healing vibes so I'm entitled to say what I like. No you're not. And I'll wear that bittered and twisted image if it stops your repetition. |
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Post by sharon on Aug 18, 2024 8:07:19 GMT -5
If it's a mystery then just leave it at that. I was gone, came back to edit, here is fine. Most seeds, acknowledge they are seeds, and consider that enough. That's a tragedy. If you leave it as a mystery and don't call it a seed then tragedy averted. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 18, 2024 8:10:41 GMT -5
I was gone, came back to edit, here is fine. Most seeds, acknowledge they are seeds, and consider that enough. That's a tragedy. If you leave it as a mystery and don't call it a seed then tragedy averted. Surely you jest. |
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Post by sharon on Aug 18, 2024 8:13:32 GMT -5
If you leave it as a mystery and don't call it a seed then tragedy averted. Surely you jest. I jest not. |
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Post by Gopal on Aug 18, 2024 9:14:16 GMT -5
It is impossible to stop the chasing, you can't do it. That's why one should be having another realization that 'nothing can be done' to get rid of something from our experience, it has to happen automatically. The reason is your aversions repel you away so you chase something else, and since that's been working all this time, you keep doing it. Over time it was ingrained as the default and now it happens automatically. You have to be more conscious of what's going on with yourself, or continue the same as you have been all this time.
I have never said get rid of something. That impulse is aversion toward that thing, so you're already running, so it's better to look at what is already happening automatically, because waiting for (and wanting) 'something else' to is a symptom of what I just described.
Only Clarity changes things, once after the clarity, everything changes by itself . Do you agree here? |
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Post by Gopal on Aug 18, 2024 9:15:26 GMT -5
Yes, everything is in my control. All That Is is simply imaging this reality. It can imagine anything else in the next moment. No, it can't. In a card game, it can't imagine 3 of a kind beats a full house. What do you understand by the word Individuated consciousness? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 18, 2024 9:33:54 GMT -5
No, it can't. In a card game, it can't imagine 3 of a kind beats a full house. What do you understand by the word Individuated consciousness? The body, awareness, attention, the "hardware", potential. ~We~ are not a puppet of the Whole. We are launched into the world, as pioneers, explorers. It's what can witness. The SVP is not the individuation. The so-called SVP is a haphazard collection of endless disorganized data. |
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Post by tenka on Aug 18, 2024 13:21:34 GMT -5
I used this example because it is current and most members were sending the frog healing daily as was I. Sending healing daily because that's what kind of man I am, not what poisoned and bitter image you are coming up with. I have reported your post. I am not having it. Your image is so bitter and twisted I genuinely feel sorry for the way you feel. But you didn't just use it once, you tried digging in and repeating it. This shows, at least to me, a flagrant disregard for the recently deceased and the emotional impact of that. You've since gone on to say, I sent some healing vibes so I'm entitled to say what I like. No you're not. And I'll wear that bittered and twisted image if it stops your repetition. I used it twice because the first time I posted it Gopal being Gopal didn't answer the question. So in order to get clarity from a direct question asked, I repeated it. You're making me out to be some kind of serial killer for doing so. There was nothing wrong with the question for reasons already mentioned. It was current and the majority of the forum were involved in the frogs energy regarding what transpired. I can't control Gopal's tendencies to not answer direct questions. Now stop scrapping the barrel trying to make me out to be something that resembles your twisted image painted of me. |
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Post by tenka on Aug 18, 2024 13:29:25 GMT -5
Unfortunately Gopal swaps platforms from 'an all that is' scenario to a personal one when there is only an individual perspective had that can only witness and do nothing else. I don't mind at times engaging in his premises like you and a handful of other's do but it's not easy because of the contextual mess as reefs always point out. Well, he's sorting through it all. It's not easy to get it right. And he's taking his realizations, and trying to fit other people's realizations into what he sees. That's not a good recipe. But he is presently up against a fallacy. But you can't directly point out the truth to someone else, as they can't see outside of their own box. The world is a hall of mirrors. Now I'm trying to figure out a way to tell sharon she's wrong, but she's not wrong. Well fundamentally what I see here is a lot of non dualists like other's here have seen is the inconsistency of behaviours. Trying to fit the pieces together philosophically regarding the workings of the universe should mirror ones beliefs as always said. Now one minute there are no other's, there are no individuals, there is no one here to be responsible for anything etc etc, then is met with concern for another. If people were straight up here, it would be border line farcical or there is some kind of mental health issue going on. Realisations are realisations and I understand that for some there needs some integration period for the dust to settle so to speak, but extreme differences in behaviour normally reflect one's beliefs when situations force their hand. Wouldn't you agree? That's why normal life experiences work best when backing up one's beliefs expressed on forums like these. I sometimes post on spiritual forums, I have been suspended many times of late just for asking questions to other's like I do here because their behaviours don't match their beliefs. I tell you something for nothing, this non duality stuff sure messes with peeps heads. |
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Post by tenka on Aug 18, 2024 13:34:41 GMT -5
What do you understand by the word Individuated consciousness? The body, awareness, attention, the "hardware", potential. ~We~ are not a puppet of the Whole. We are launched into the world, as pioneers, explorers. It's what can witness. The SVP is not the individuation. The so-called SVP is a haphazard collection of endless disorganized data. So true. It's what I have always pointed out. Butt now even when the SVP is put aside, there is now an individual perspective present that can only witness, so there is something that is doing the doing that isn't that lol. There is something different that controls all that happens. The individual needs to be understood but it seems such a mess full of division and illusion even when the idea of separation has been dissolved. It's never-ending cos the goal posts just shift and different words are used. Always devoid of an understanding of what you are that is individualised. |
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Post by sharon on Aug 18, 2024 15:34:50 GMT -5
spiritualteachers.proboards.com/post/513422spiritualteachers.proboards.com/post/513440But you didn't just use it once, you tried digging in and repeating it. This shows, at least to me, a flagrant disregard for the recently deceased and the emotional impact of that. You've since gone on to say, I sent some healing vibes so I'm entitled to say what I like. No you're not. And I'll wear that bittered and twisted image if it stops your repetition. I used it twice because the first time I posted it Gopal being Gopal didn't answer the question. So in order to get clarity from a direct question asked, I repeated it. You're making me out to be some kind of serial killer for doing so. There was nothing wrong with the question for reasons already mentioned. It was current and the majority of the forum were involved in the frogs energy regarding what transpired. I can't control Gopal's tendencies to not answer direct questions. Now stop scrapping the barrel trying to make me out to be something that resembles your twisted image painted of me. Notice how the onus has now moved to Gopal. Honestly man, when you're already in a hole, put the spade down! |
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