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Post by stardustpilgrim on Oct 10, 2023 5:21:20 GMT -5
Talking to old friends recently, and some of the Asians in the conversation were talking about racism they experienced at school. That racism definitely existed and it's true that many of us stood by and did nothing to stop it. It was clear that there was still just a bit of bitterness left over from years ago, and some of us expressed remorse for what they went through. I hope that expressed remorse helped them. Then I reflected that, even though I was a white kid, I definitely experienced being bullied too. I was also aggressed upon by strangers, and was once punched by a total stranger on a bus, for reasons he didn't explain lol I guess what I'm saying is that I think most folks have their own shit to deal with and it probably doesn't help to hold a consciousness of being uniquely persecuted. The universal laws indicate that it will continue to recreate itself. F or balance, I believe life is more complex than 'I create my reality', and there are times to hold folks accountable for their actions towards others e.g Nuremberg was surely necessary given the context. It is really that simple. However, what people usually don't realize, even those who are familiar with LOA, is that the energy follows your attention and so when you read or talk about unwanted, you add energy to it and start including the essence of it into your experience. That's how people get what they don't want and why watching the news can be so detrimental to your well-being in the long run. So in that sense, if your goal is world peace, your time would be spent much more productively watching cat videos or unicorn cartoons than discussing the latest atrocities you've seen in the news. Because one would be withdrawing attention from unwanted and therefore allowing what is wanted, the other would be putting more attention to unwanted and therefore attracting more unwanted. is not remotely realistic, for hundreds, probably thousands of years. It starts with one person at a time, ends with one person at a time. If this is your goal, best get a new goal. Best recognize the limits of your sphere of influence, unless you are a Moses, Jesus or Muhammad (And all these originate from Abraham), or a Buddha or a Lao Tzu or a Padmasambhava. I read this many years ago, it stuck in my mind. [ Emphasis sdp] "The Dream of a Ridiculous Man" (Russian: Сон смешного человека, Son smeshnovo cheloveka) is a short story by Fyodor Dostoevsky. Plot summary The story opens with the narrator wandering the streets of St. Petersburg. He is contemplating the ridiculousness of his own life, and his recent realization that nothing matters to him any more. It is this revelation that leads him to the idea of suicide. He reveals that, some months before, he had bought a revolver with the intent of shooting himself in the head. Despite a dismal night, the narrator looks up to the sky and views a solitary star. For some reason, seeing this star finally confirms his intention to kill himself and he resolves definitely to do it that night. As he is gazing at the star, a little girl seizes him by the elbow, distressed and seeking his help. He notices that, despite the cold, she is flimsily dressed and soaking wet. Although not able to understand her trembling voice, he gathers that something terrible has happened to the little girl's mother. She tries to get him to follow her but he rebuffs her, and when she desperately persists, he stamps his foot and shouts at her.Back at his apartment, he sinks into a chair and places the gun on a table next to him. He hesitates to shoot himself because of a nagging sense of pity and inner pain that has plagued him since he shunned the little girl. He cannot understand how it can be affecting him so deeply when he has already definitively decided that nothing matters and that he will soon be shooting himself. He intently ponders this and other questions growing out of it, but he still has no doubt that the suicide will happen that night. Unexpectedly, however, he falls asleep.He descends into a vivid dream. In the dream, he shoots himself in the heart. He dies, but feels no pain from the shot and is still aware of his surroundings. He gathers that there is a funeral and that it is he who is being buried. After an indeterminate amount of time in his cold grave, indifferent and expecting nothing, water begins to drip down onto his left eyelid. Deep indignation arises in his heart and he suddenly feels the physical pain from the gunshot. With his whole being he cries out a prayer to the One who governs all things: "Whoever Thou may be, if Thou art and if there exists anything more rational than what is now coming to pass, then grant that it happen here as well. But if Thou art taking vengeance upon me for my unwise suicide, through the ugliness and absurdity of this life after death, then know that no torment could compare with the contempt that I shall always feel in silence, though it be through millions of years of martyrdom." His grave is suddenly opened by an unknown and shadowy figure. This figure pulls him up from his grave, and the two soar through the sky and into space. After flying through space for a long time, they arrive at a star that is exactly like the earth's sun. The shadowy companion indicates a small planet, and as they approach it the narrator is ecstatic to see that it is exactly like the earth. He wonders rapturously whether it also contains the same suffering and ungrateful but eternally beloved children as the earth that he had abandoned. He is then placed on what appears to be an idyllic Greek island, where he at once senses an atmosphere of unsullied peace and beauty. He is lovingly welcomed by radiant, joyous people, each of whom wish only to love him and free him from suffering. They are happy, fearless, sinless people who live in communion with the trees and the stars and all the natural world around them. He finds that there is "only a love that seemed to multiply to the point of rapture, but a rapture that was calm, contemplative, and complete." The people fulfill all the natural functions of life, including death, but with serene acceptance and even a kind of ecstatic celebration. He is amazed at the grace and ease with which they are able to love a person like himself, so full of a darkness that they have never known. He lives among them for a long time, and although there are aspects of their all-encompassing spiritual freedom and joy that he cannot fathom, he senses its essence with his heart, and loves and worships them unreservedly. One day he accidentally teaches the inhabitants how to lie. Somehow, from something he said—perhaps even in jest—an "atom of falsehood penetrated their hearts and pleased them." This begins the corruption of the utopia. The lies engender sensuality, which gives birth to jealousy, cruelty and pride. They come to know shame, and shame is elevated as a virtue. They begin to separate from each other, and lose their unity. They begin to glorify individuality and speak of "mine" and "thine". Soon the first blood is shed. Factions are made, wars are waged. Science supplants feeling, and the members of the former utopia become incapable of remembering their former happiness. They tell him: "we have science, and with its help we shall again find the truth, but now we shall accept it consciously. Knowledge is higher than feeling, consciousness of life is higher than life... a knowledge of the laws of happiness is higher than happiness." He pleads with the people to return to their former state, or at least to kill him for his role in their Fall, but they laugh at him and threaten to put him in a madhouse. Sorrow enters his soul with great force, but at that moment he awakens. The room is completely silent and he jumps up in amazement. He catches sight of his revolver, but pushes it away. He is a changed man, thoroughly thankful for life and convinced of man's basic goodness and potential for limitless love. He dedicates his life to teaching the promise of a Golden Era, a time on Earth when everyone loves his brother as he loves himself. At the conclusion of the story, the narrator states that he has found the little girl, and that he will never stop preaching the earthly paradise. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ First you have to sail a small dingy. |
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Post by andrew on Oct 10, 2023 9:00:35 GMT -5
Talking to old friends recently, and some of the Asians in the conversation were talking about racism they experienced at school. That racism definitely existed and it's true that many of us stood by and did nothing to stop it. It was clear that there was still just a bit of bitterness left over from years ago, and some of us expressed remorse for what they went through. I hope that expressed remorse helped them. Then I reflected that, even though I was a white kid, I definitely experienced being bullied too. I was also aggressed upon by strangers, and was once punched by a total stranger on a bus, for reasons he didn't explain lol I guess what I'm saying is that I think most folks have their own shit to deal with and it probably doesn't help to hold a consciousness of being uniquely persecuted. The universal laws indicate that it will continue to recreate itself. F or balance, I believe life is more complex than 'I create my reality', and there are times to hold folks accountable for their actions towards others e.g Nuremberg was surely necessary given the context. It is really that simple. However, what people usually don't realize, even those who are familiar with LOA, is that the energy follows your attention and so when you read or talk about unwanted, you add energy to it and start including the essence of it into your experience. That's how people get what they don't want and why watching the news can be so detrimental to your well-being in the long run. So in that sense, if your goal is world peace, your time would be spent much more productively watching cat videos or unicorn cartoons than discussing the latest atrocities you've seen in the news. Because one would be withdrawing attention from unwanted and therefore allowing what is wanted, the other would be putting more attention to unwanted and therefore attracting more unwanted. Because of the particular themes that humanity is exploring, I can't say it is that simple. For example, if some folks have a life theme to explore suffering, helplessness and powerlessness...and then die....then they won't be exploring what it means to consciously use focus. LOA is only simple....once we know it. But even then, it assumes that we always have the power of choice...the basic choice to move focus/attention at 'will'. Sometimes that 'will' is absent, and that can be an important human exploration too. Agree with 2nd paragraph, with the caveat that if it takes effort to draw attention away, then that effort is counter-productive too. Sometimes the path of least resistance is to stay and watch the madness. It all depends on our exploration. |
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Post by inavalan on Oct 10, 2023 12:43:09 GMT -5
It is really that simple. However, what people usually don't realize, even those who are familiar with LOA, is that the energy follows your attention and so when you read or talk about unwanted, you add energy to it and start including the essence of it into your experience. That's how people get what they don't want and why watching the news can be so detrimental to your well-being in the long run. So in that sense, if your goal is world peace, your time would be spent much more productively watching cat videos or unicorn cartoons than discussing the latest atrocities you've seen in the news. Because one would be withdrawing attention from unwanted and therefore allowing what is wanted, the other would be putting more attention to unwanted and therefore attracting more unwanted. Because of the particular themes that humanity is exploring, I can't say it is that simple. For example, if some folks have a life theme to explore suffering, helplessness and powerlessness...and then die....then they won't be exploring what it means to consciously use focus. LOA is only simple....once we know it. But even then, it assumes that we always have the power of choice...the basic choice to move focus/attention at 'will'. Sometimes that 'will' is absent, and that can be an important human exploration too. Agree with 2nd paragraph, with the caveat that if it takes effort to draw attention away, then that effort is counter-productive too. Sometimes the path of least resistance is to stay and watch the madness. It all depends on our exploration. I think that that is never the case. Nobody attends school to explore getting low grades, getting beaten up, ... Nobody attends school to love the others who attend it. You don't learn by intentionally experiencing failure, nor by doing nothing, thinking nothing. We were/are hypnotized while being raised by others who were hypnotized themselves too. We chose this situation only because we believed we're up for the challenge, and that we'll overcome it. |
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Post by andrew on Oct 10, 2023 12:53:36 GMT -5
Because of the particular themes that humanity is exploring, I can't say it is that simple. For example, if some folks have a life theme to explore suffering, helplessness and powerlessness...and then die....then they won't be exploring what it means to consciously use focus. LOA is only simple....once we know it. But even then, it assumes that we always have the power of choice...the basic choice to move focus/attention at 'will'. Sometimes that 'will' is absent, and that can be an important human exploration too. Agree with 2nd paragraph, with the caveat that if it takes effort to draw attention away, then that effort is counter-productive too. Sometimes the path of least resistance is to stay and watch the madness. It all depends on our exploration. I think that that is never the case. Nobody attends school to explore getting low grades, getting beaten up, ... Nobody attends school to love the others who attend it. You don't learn by intentionally experiencing failure, nor by doing nothing, thinking nothing. We were/are hypnotized while being raised by others who were hypnotized themselves too. We chose this situation only because we believed we're up for the challenge, and that we'll overcome it. My understanding is that some 'souls' want to experience a very full range of human experience, and that they don't all do it in one life time. Some people's lives are brief, and hellish. I'm not saying that negative experiences are 'consciously' desired, I'm saying there is a deeper interest in experiencing something that demands very difficult conditions (external and internal). I've been through some difficult mental stuff when I was younger, but in the midst of it, I'd occasionally notice a subtle layer of interest in the experience. Interest is a powerful thing, it indicates the theme we are exploring, and when noticed, perhaps gives us the opportunity to change that theme. Sometimes it's useful to recognize that an interest has to just play itself out. (Failure is definitely a theme I've had interest in exploring in my life....and it's polar opposite...success. In a broader sense, it can be noticed that these are measurements, so I could also add that I've had an interest in measuring) |
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Post by inavalan on Oct 10, 2023 13:09:35 GMT -5
It is really that simple. However, what people usually don't realize, even those who are familiar with LOA, is that the energy follows your attention and so when you read or talk about unwanted, you add energy to it and start including the essence of it into your experience. That's how people get what they don't want and why watching the news can be so detrimental to your well-being in the long run. So in that sense, if your goal is world peace, your time would be spent much more productively watching cat videos or unicorn cartoons than discussing the latest atrocities you've seen in the news. Because one would be withdrawing attention from unwanted and therefore allowing what is wanted, the other would be putting more attention to unwanted and therefore attracting more unwanted. , I can't say it is that simple. For example, if some folks have a life theme to explore suffering, helplessness and powerlessness...and then die....then they won't be exploring what it means to consciously use focus. LOA is only simple....once we know it. But even then, it assumes that we always have the power of choice...the basic choice to move focus/attention at 'will'. Sometimes that 'will' is absent, and that can be an important human exploration too. Agree with 2nd paragraph, with the caveat that if it takes effort to draw attention away, then that effort is counter-productive too. Sometimes the path of least resistance is to stay and watch the madness. It all depends on our exploration. , humanity isn't exploring by intentionally failing (suffering, pain, ...). Humanity, as every unit of consciousness that joins the physical reality framework, is an avatar. Each avatar (game-character) is played by an endless number of players, in an endless number of ways, according to each player's current skills. There are players who score high, as there are others who score low (unintentionally). All potentialities exist. It isn't about "exploring" from the avatars' point if view, but about their players developing their skills, growing. The game is. The players come and go. |
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Post by andrew on Oct 10, 2023 14:02:40 GMT -5
Because of the particular themes that humanity is exploring, I can't say it is that simple. For example, if some folks have a life theme to explore suffering, helplessness and powerlessness...and then die....then they won't be exploring what it means to consciously use focus. LOA is only simple....once we know it. But even then, it assumes that we always have the power of choice...the basic choice to move focus/attention at 'will'. Sometimes that 'will' is absent, and that can be an important human exploration too. Agree with 2nd paragraph, with the caveat that if it takes effort to draw attention away, then that effort is counter-productive too. Sometimes the path of least resistance is to stay and watch the madness. It all depends on our exploration. , humanity isn't exploring by intentionally failing (suffering, pain, ...). Humanity, as every unit of consciousness that joins the physical reality framework, is an avatar. Each avatar (game-character) is played by an endless number of players, in an endless number of ways, according to each player's current skills. There are players who score high, as there are others who score low (unintentionally). All potentialities exist. It isn't about "exploring" from the avatars' point if view, but about their players developing their skills, growing. The game is. The players come and go. Just to clarify, I don't see suffering/pain as failing, I see it as a valid (but uncomfortable!) exploration of this particular 'reality'. |
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Post by inavalan on Oct 10, 2023 15:28:38 GMT -5
Also, humanity isn't exploring by intentionally failing (suffering, pain, ...). Humanity, as every unit of consciousness that joins the physical reality framework, is an avatar. Each avatar (game-character) is played by an endless number of players, in an endless number of ways, according to each player's current skills. There are players who score high, as there are others who score low (unintentionally). All potentialities exist. It isn't about "exploring" from the avatars' point if view, but about their players developing their skills, growing. The game is. The players come and go. Just to clarify, I don't see suffering/pain as failing, I see it as a valid (but uncomfortable!) exploration of this particular 'reality'. I understood that. I just think that it is detrimental to think that way; not only because it brings more suffering to you now, in this life, but because it prevents you from using that feedback and unnecessarily slows down your multi-dimensional personality's growth. Your view about suffering is shared by a much larger number of people than mine, and I don't say that "I know", but just that I believe so, based on my psychological experiences. This is why I think that a deathbed poll about life regrets and advice it is not only useless, but could be detrimental, misleading others. If you poll the students at the end of the school-year, it doesn't mean that the majority opinion will give a useful advice. This is also why popular democracy doesn't work: it can't come with better decisions. Anyway ... We'll all find out sooner or later, in most cases too late for this life.  |
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Post by andrew on Oct 10, 2023 16:08:10 GMT -5
Just to clarify, I don't see suffering/pain as failing, I see it as a valid (but uncomfortable!) exploration of this particular 'reality'. I understood that. I just think that it is detrimental to think that way; not only because it brings more suffering to you now, in this life, but because it prevents you from using that feedback and unnecessarily slows down your multi-dimensional personality's growth. Your view about suffering is shared by a much larger number of people than mine, and I don't say that "I know", but just that I believe so, based on my psychological experiences. This is why I think that a deathbed poll about life regrets and advice it is not only useless, but could be detrimental, misleading others. If you poll the students at the end of the school-year, it doesn't mean that the majority opinion will give a useful advice. This is also why popular democracy doesn't work: it can't come with better decisions. Anyway ... We'll all find out sooner or later, in most cases too late for this life. If I had a prayer for people, it would be that they are able to fulfil their painful/uncomfortable interests in as fast and graceful way as is possible! Suffering is awful, even if it's valid, and so I wish for people to move through that interest pretty darn quick. But sometimes people do want an extended version, and it's not for me to judge their path. I've found it useful to be self-honest about my interests/themes, and my experience is that they can't be argued with too much. For example, as an adult, I experienced a sense of being materially poor for some years. I was aware of the theme/interest, and couldn't argue with it too much. I knew it had to play itself out..... I experienced material wealth as a child, and so the experience of poorness expanded my insight and deepened my compassion...I was given a very clear experience of what it means to ' keep the wolf from the door'. But I was also aware that I didn't want this experience to last forever, so I worked with it. And the self-honesty means that I can work with the interests/themes in a way that isn't deeply damaging or harmful. At this point in my 'growth', I don't have many of the typical and general human interests/themes. Or more accurate to say that they are 'superficial'. In a sense, I'm just along for the ride right now, and that's fine. As you say, we'll find out at some point Thanks for inviting the conversation. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Oct 10, 2023 18:08:39 GMT -5
Just to clarify, I don't see suffering/pain as failing, I see it as a valid (but uncomfortable!) exploration of this particular 'reality'. I understood that. I just think that it is detrimental to think that way; not only because it brings more suffering to you now, in this life, but because it prevents you from using that feedback and unnecessarily slows down your multi-dimensional personality's growth. Your view about suffering is shared by a much larger number of people than mine, and I don't say that "I know", but just that I believe so, based on my psychological experiences. This is why I think that a deathbed poll about life regrets and advice it is not only useless, but could be detrimental, misleading others. If you poll the students at the end of the school-year, it doesn't mean that the majority opinion will give a useful advice. This is also why popular democracy doesn't work: it can't come with better decisions. Anyway ... We'll all find out sooner or later, in most cases too late for this life. You can skip to minute 1:30. The assassin had been convinced Gandhi was a fraud, there was a conspiracy, watch to 3:15. But Gandhi forgave the killer, and said: Hey Ram as his last words (IOW, he had God on his mind at death, praying). Then the assassin knew he had been duped, that indeed Gandhi was a holy man. 1963, Nine Hours to Rama. www.google.com/search?q=Nine+hours+to+Rama+clip+Gandhi+saying+Ram&sca_esv=572370827&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS894US894&ei=59YlZfydKume5NoP0euy6A0&ved=0ahUKEwi8rcOTyuyBAxVpD1kFHdG1DN0Q4dUDCBA&oq=Nine+hours+to+Rama+clip+Gandhi+saying+Ram&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiKU5pbmUgaG91cnMgdG8gUmFtYSBjbGlwIEdhbmRoaSBzYXlpbmcgUmFtMgUQABiiBEjq_QFQ6AZYyNcBcAJ4AZABBJgBgAKgAfVIqgEGMi42Ni4zuAEMyAEA-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&sclient=gws-wiz-serp#fpstate=ive&ip=1&vld=cid:1e29db2a,vid:D72BWCSzTGU,st:0 |
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Post by Reefs on Oct 11, 2023 0:12:38 GMT -5
It is really that simple. However, what people usually don't realize, even those who are familiar with LOA, is that the energy follows your attention and so when you read or talk about unwanted, you add energy to it and start including the essence of it into your experience. That's how people get what they don't want and why watching the news can be so detrimental to your well-being in the long run. So in that sense, if your goal is world peace, your time would be spent much more productively watching cat videos or unicorn cartoons than discussing the latest atrocities you've seen in the news. Because one would be withdrawing attention from unwanted and therefore allowing what is wanted, the other would be putting more attention to unwanted and therefore attracting more unwanted.  |
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Post by Reefs on Oct 11, 2023 0:33:31 GMT -5
It is really that simple. However, what people usually don't realize, even those who are familiar with LOA, is that the energy follows your attention and so when you read or talk about unwanted, you add energy to it and start including the essence of it into your experience. That's how people get what they don't want and why watching the news can be so detrimental to your well-being in the long run. So in that sense, if your goal is world peace, your time would be spent much more productively watching cat videos or unicorn cartoons than discussing the latest atrocities you've seen in the news. Because one would be withdrawing attention from unwanted and therefore allowing what is wanted, the other would be putting more attention to unwanted and therefore attracting more unwanted. Because of the particular themes that humanity is exploring, I can't say it is that simple. For example, if some folks have a life theme to explore suffering, helplessness and powerlessness...and then die....then they won't be exploring what it means to consciously use focus. LOA is only simple....once we know it. But even then, it assumes that we always have the power of choice...the basic choice to move focus/attention at 'will'. Sometimes that 'will' is absent, and that can be an important human exploration too. Agree with 2nd paragraph, with the caveat that if it takes effort to draw attention away, then that effort is counter-productive too. Sometimes the path of least resistance is to stay and watch the madness. It all depends on our exploration. It does take some willpower and maybe even some discipline in the beginning to make that turn, to slow down the negative momentum, depending how far off your path you already are. But once you've made that turn, it's going to be easier and easier as momentum in the other direction is picking up until you reach a point where can't even remember anymore how that felt being off your path, in the ditch and brambling thru the bushes in the dark. You will look back at those times as if it was just a bad dream, as if it never actually happened. Here's a quote for you from Bronnie, I think you may like it... |
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Post by inavalan on Oct 11, 2023 0:42:03 GMT -5
I understood that. I just think that it is detrimental to think that way; not only because it brings more suffering to you now, in this life, but because it prevents you from using that feedback and unnecessarily slows down your multi-dimensional personality's growth. Your view about suffering is shared by a much larger number of people than mine, and I don't say that "I know", but just that I believe so, based on my psychological experiences. This is why I think that a deathbed poll about life regrets and advice it is not only useless, but could be detrimental, misleading others. If you poll the students at the end of the school-year, it doesn't mean that the majority opinion will give a useful advice. This is also why popular democracy doesn't work: it can't come with better decisions. Anyway ... We'll all find out sooner or later, in most cases too late for this life. You can skip to minute 1:30. The assassin had been convinced Gandhi was a fraud, there was a conspiracy, watch to 3:15. But Gandhi forgave the killer, and said: Hey Ram as his last words. Then the assassin knew he had been duped, that indeed Gandhi was a holy man. 1963, Nine Hours to Rama. "Forgiveness" ... "Holy man" ... Other unnecessary concepts likely to be detrimental. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Oct 11, 2023 1:23:08 GMT -5
You can skip to minute 1:30. The assassin had been convinced Gandhi was a fraud, there was a conspiracy, watch to 3:15. But Gandhi forgave the killer, and said: Hey Ram as his last words. Then the assassin knew he had been duped, that indeed Gandhi was a holy man. 1963, Nine Hours to Rama. "Forgiveness" ... "Holy man" ... Other unnecessary concepts likely to be detrimental. How do you figure that? Forgive does not mean the other person is not accountable. Forgiveness is for the forgiver, not the culprit. (If you hold any animosity in your heart, ever, it hurts you, so it's best to forgive ASAP). The other reminds me of a totally cool little book, and its sequel, The Holy Man and The Holy Man's Journey. Spoiler alert. It's a fictional short little book, books. Joe lives high up on a mountain with a few disciples, and he has thousands of people to come to meet him during the warm months when the snow has melted and the cold is not a problem. There are so many people only one minute is allowed to meet with Joe (he is generally known just as the Holy Man). When it's your turn you are met at the front door of the house by a greeter. The greeter escorts you through the house, and then out the back door, which takes about a minute. When you get to the back door, you figure out something is up. And you ask something like, but what about the Holy Man? I didn't meet the Holy Man, or some such. The greeter says, well, I'm Joe, who you came to see, goodbye, and make sure you keep the secret, don't tell anybody the greeter is the Holy Man. They are escorted to a trail down the back side of the mountain back to the nearby town.  ...Some people figure it out, and their one minute is well spent... You can wait for weeks or months in line, on the mountainside, but some people come back a second time... I liked it enough to keep look for a sequel, which is equally as good. There are holy people, but, looking from the outside, you'll never know they're holy, never. Another most excellent little book, very similar, The Journey to the East by Herman Hesse, my favorite book of his. Very similar is almost a spoiler, but I'll not spoil this one. The Holy Man by Susan Trott |
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Post by inavalan on Oct 11, 2023 8:26:23 GMT -5
"Forgiveness" ... "Holy man" ... Other unnecessary concepts likely to be detrimental. How do you figure that? Forgive does not mean the other person is not accountable. Forgiveness is for the forgiver, not the culprit. (If you hold any animosity in your heart, ever, it hurts you, so it's best to forgive ASAP). The other reminds me of a totally cool little book, and its sequel, The Holy Man and The Holy Man's Journey. Spoiler alert. It's a fictional short little book, books. Joe lives high up on a mountain with a few disciples, and he has thousands of people to come to meet him during the warm months when the snow has melted and the cold is not a problem. There are so many people only one minute is allowed to meet with Joe (he is generally known just as the Holy Man). When it's your turn you are met at the front door of the house by a greeter. The greeter escorts you through the house, and then out the back door, which takes about a minute. When you get to the back door, you figure out something is up. And you ask something like, but what about the Holy Man? I didn't meet the Holy Man, or some such. The greeter says, well, I'm Joe, who you came to see, goodbye, and make sure you keep the secret, don't tell anybody the greeter is the Holy Man. They are escorted to a trail down the back side of the mountain back to the nearby town. ...Some people figure it out, and their one minute is well spent... You can wait for weeks or months in line, on the mountainside, but some people come back a second time... I liked it enough to keep look for a sequel, which is equally as good. There are holy people, but, looking from the outside, you'll never know they're holy, never. Another most excellent little book, very similar, The Journey to the East by Herman Hesse, my favorite book of his. Very similar is almost a spoiler, but I'll not spoil this one. The Holy Man by Susan Trott When you think in terms of "forgiving" or "holy men" you raise illusionary obstacles to yourself. You give away your power to shape your reality to illusionary constructs. Nobody does anything to you that you didn't invite, and you do nothing to another that wasn't invited by him. Forgiveness has no place. You can't know who's "holy" from who's a pretender, delusional or not. Your source of knowledge is inside yourself; the outside is only props that reflect your inner state. The essential difference is between seeing yourself as a part of an outer reality, observed through your five physical senses, and seeing yourself as part of an inner reality, that is filtered and projected to your five senses because at this stage you can't handle more. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Oct 11, 2023 10:53:12 GMT -5
How do you figure that? Forgive does not mean the other person is not accountable. Forgiveness is for the forgiver, not the culprit. (If you hold any animosity in your heart, ever, it hurts you, so it's best to forgive ASAP). The other reminds me of a totally cool little book, and its sequel, The Holy Man and The Holy Man's Journey. Spoiler alert. It's a fictional short little book, books. Joe lives high up on a mountain with a few disciples, and he has thousands of people to come to meet him during the warm months when the snow has melted and the cold is not a problem. There are so many people only one minute is allowed to meet with Joe (he is generally known just as the Holy Man). When it's your turn you are met at the front door of the house by a greeter. The greeter escorts you through the house, and then out the back door, which takes about a minute. When you get to the back door, you figure out something is up. And you ask something like, but what about the Holy Man? I didn't meet the Holy Man, or some such. The greeter says, well, I'm Joe, who you came to see, goodbye, and make sure you keep the secret, don't tell anybody the greeter is the Holy Man. They are escorted to a trail down the back side of the mountain back to the nearby town. ...Some people figure it out, and their one minute is well spent... You can wait for weeks or months in line, on the mountainside, but some people come back a second time... I liked it enough to keep look for a sequel, which is equally as good. There are holy people, but, looking from the outside, you'll never know they're holy, never. Another most excellent little book, very similar, The Journey to the East by Herman Hesse, my favorite book of his. Very similar is almost a spoiler, but I'll not spoil this one. The Holy Man by Susan Trott When you think in terms of "forgiving" or "holy men" you raise illusionary obstacles to yourself. You give away your power to shape your reality to illusionary constructs.Nobody does anything to you that you didn't invite, and you do nothing to another that wasn't invited by him. Forgiveness has no place. You can't know who's "holy" from who's a pretender, delusional or not. Your source of knowledge is inside yourself; the outside is only props that reflect your inner state.The essential difference is between seeing yourself as a part of an outer reality, observed through your five physical senses, and seeing yourself as part of an inner reality, that is filtered and projected to your five senses because at this stage you can't handle more.I came here just now to start another thread, checked my notifications. At some point LOA breaks down, just breaks, period. I think I've found the dividing line, to put it not-delicately, but succinctly. This gives me a little pause to consider how to do the thread. Announced about 25 minutes ago, they have found babies and toddlers decapitated by Hamas in Kfar Aza just outside of Gaza from the Saturday attack. Announced and verified about 25 minutes ago, about 11:30 AM ET. Every time in the past I found my ~view of how the universe works~ lacking, I continued my search. I don't know if your view is merely theoretical, or you have experientially verified it, I've put off asking. But I'd like to ask, does having babies heads cut off fit into your paradigm? |
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...Some people figure it out, and their one minute is well spent... You can wait for weeks or months in line, on the mountainside, but some people come back a second time...