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Post by stardustpilgrim on Oct 18, 2023 13:00:38 GMT -5
AFAIAC, sometimes s**t just happens. I think in terms of ~your being attracts your life~, rather than LOA. There is a continuum running from order to chaos. I have no problem with LOA operating on most of that continuum, say the upper 95%. One's being puts one somewhere on that continuum. At the ~top~ you find flow and synchronicities and a sense that everything is operating perfectly as it should be. Most people live somewhere in the middle. What I've been writing about, since last Saturday, poking, exploring, is the bottom 5% where chaos reigns. This is the realm of hardened criminals, terrorists, serial killers and others of the sort, they have no rules. This is where s**t can just happen. A group of the nasty guys of the 5%-and-lower have imposed their will and chaos upon some innocents of the higher continuum. I've ~battled~ ZD (mostly) over this issue for years. I don't mind calling my view a paradigm, I haven't made it up. For me it explains certain aspects of what happens. All this, in a nutshell, is why I said at some point LOA breaks down. You'll never convince me that the babies and toddlers who were decapitated are part of a natural flow of the universe, they are not responsible in any way for getting their heads cup off. They got caught up in an unnatural flow of the ~5%~ chaos. Everybody does not live at the same level of being, there's a continuum. And now we have a *more ordered group* trying to restore and maintain order, fighting the no-rules-chaos of a 5%, and lower-down to a negative 1%. You could even say the 2,3,4,5% are caught up in the really-nasty-1%. IOW, we have a terrible mess. There is no good outcome coming. I think we've past the point of a better-outcome. LOA, the way I use that term, is "your being attracts your life"! If you reduce LOA to a serial cause and effect theory, you're missing the point. You have to look at it in the context of jiji muge (aka interdependent origination/arising) and the eternal now (aka the point of power is in the now). Well, Abe always say "these are the best of times" because they look at it from the big picture perspective, i.e. that contrast creates desires and desires summon life force and more life force flowing means greater potential for joy. The more contrast (or variety) you have, the more options you have and the more options you have the more choices you have and the more choices you have the more opportunities for joy you have. In times of heightened contrast, when you know very clearly what you absolutely do not want, you also automatically know what you absolutely do want. And here you have a choice. Either you stay focused on what you do not want and argue against it, or you turn your focus on what you actually do want and argue for that. Apparently, you chose the first option, while I chose the second option. The difference in experience between these two choices of focus is huge after a while. You see, the news give you an extremely disproportionate picture of the world in terms of what goes well and what goes wrong. You'll notice that once you get a bit around in the world, on different continents and in different cultures. There are terrible things happening, no doubt. But there are also wonderful things happening at the same time. But the news media, which lives from the attention of people like you, has to somehow get your attention and they discovered that they best get your attention with negative news, and not with facts but with emotions, and not presented in a fair and balanced way but in a highly partial and exaggerated way. So don't expect the news media to give you an accurate and balanced picture of the world, that would not be in their best interest, it would destroy their business model. So keep that mind next time you are reading or watching the news. I only use ~deliberate~ "LOA" for health reasons (plus supplements, food, and walking). I actually learned this at age 17 when I met my first teacher, and read her book Who's the Matter With Me? (Alice Steadman). It's about psychosomatic illness, and I-me-self vs them consequences. I learned more along the way about the power of the subconscious, if you don't give it something to do, past programs, which you didn't choose in the first place, will sabotage your life. Basically I use visualization and relaxation. I use it secondarily somewhat for money, but my money-needs are few. Otherwise, I trust "your being attracts your life". The key is to work on change of being. So I don't use (deliberate) LOA to try in any way to engineer life circumstances (1001 Nights and some of the Jinn stories will cure you of thinking you can know what's best). I leave that to the universe, who is infinitely better at it, than I. So the hard[er] part is recognizing this higher flow, and rejecting the lower flow [I-me-self-decisions].
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Oct 18, 2023 13:18:22 GMT -5
I've never found anything the Gurdjieff teaching doesn't explain. (Above, trying to avoid the words he used, what he called the law of accident. This is why 'your being attracts your life' trumps LOA). "Your being attracts your life" is LOA. Watch some more A-H videos and pay attention to those parts where Abe talk about "state of being" and "point of attraction". I just make this slight distinction. Your being can put you into the chaos-wacko-zone which is collective, not individual. Somewhere between birth and about age 21 ~the person~ lives in this collective, your choices are not your own, or you have not reached maturity to be able to make good choices. So I don't consider the baby that gets killed in Gaza, directly responsible for its death. This is what I mean by s**t sometimes just happens. inavalan has a very complicated view that I'm sure he would say the baby is responsible (baby would include its whole ~upward~ structure of the individuation). For example, Gaza would equal chaos-wacko-zone. A major city crime-slum would equal chaos-wacko-zone.
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Post by tenka on Oct 20, 2023 14:13:39 GMT -5
We have touched upon this before regarding a complete turnaround regarding Jeff. He seems a nice guy doesn't he, butt it really does require attention when peeps start to talk about no-one is here, or what is here is not real etc .. He kant of had a realisation that there is no one here, to then beg for mercy to God lol . You kant have a reversal of realisation. You either realise without any doubt that there is what you are here as an individual or not. You kant change your mind afterwards to that extent otherwise the realisation wasn't a realisation at all. A realisation, is a realisation . "Who would've thought about this?" is one of the excuses I find (almost always) unacceptable. Talking about "realizations"... I don't know if you ever experienced a "false awakening"; that is when you're dreaming, then you wake up, have some activity, then suddenly you wake up again to realize that your previous awakening was actually another dream. Also, you might've watched one of those hypnosis shows in which a person is suggested to not see his shoe in his hand, or forget their own name, or a number, or to speak, ... Just looking around you can easily see people being absolutely sure about all kind of ridiculous things regarding themselves and / or others. Look at a kid who believes in Santa. From another perspective, we all are kids of different ages and abilities. There is no way to "ultimately realize" anything, beyond that you exist, and that what you perceive changes. " Realizing without any doubt" anything should be a warning for you that you have to step back, put aside all your beliefs and expectations, and start again. Knowing isn't cumulative, but it is a process or differentiation, seeing more and more clearly, new and more details, ad infinitum. As I understand these, in the sense you seem to mean it: there are no realizations. There is a lot going on in your response that I don't have time at present to go into. I have previously spoken about the difference between being what you are beyond self. There are no thoughts or realisations pertaining to this. It's when there is self awareness then one comes to the conclusion that they have realised this and that about what they are. Realising the world is a dream or that self is an illusion are not realisations if one refers to being what you are beyond the self as Self Realisation.
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Post by tenka on Oct 20, 2023 14:21:51 GMT -5
We have touched upon this before regarding a complete turnaround regarding Jeff. He seems a nice guy doesn't he, butt it really does require attention when peeps start to talk about no-one is here, or what is here is not real etc .. He kant of had a realisation that there is no one here, to then beg for mercy to God lol . You kant have a reversal of realisation. You either realise without any doubt that there is what you are here as an individual or not. You kant change your mind afterwards to that extent otherwise the realisation wasn't a realisation at all. A realisation, is a realisation . Exactly. It's all BS. But that was clear from his books already. The episode Andrew mentioned just confirmed it beyond a doubt. Now, we could accuse Jeff of deceiving and misleading other people. However, I usually see it a bit differently. Because fake gurus and their transgressions and shortcomings are usually good teaching examples. And his disillusioned followers may now be ready for the real deal. You've seen this with Niz. A lot of disillusioned, guru-hopping seekers who made the rounds in the spiritual circus for years or even decades, finally had to face the music after such episodes, realizing that they were going nowhere and just killing time and avoiding the inevitable. Once they've realized that, there was sincerity, and now they were ready for Niz' message. That's the gift of these fake gurus. So from the big picture perspective, it's all good. Well it seems evident from where I am sitting non duality just brings out some weird shite in peeps who declare this and that about Truth in relation to this. I don't think in all honestly that Jeff is fake, it's just that there isn't really a true understanding or realisation of what you are. So the starting block for a premise isn't from the right foundation. This is what I keep saying to folk who cross platforms and such likes who don't understand self and no self. Peeps all the time have comparisons made and shifts in awareness that brings about a conclusion that what was once believed can't possibly be true, but it is for some, still relative to the same ball court because transcendence hasn't occurred . It's like swapping i.p addresses thinking they are no longer on the net .
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Post by tenka on Oct 20, 2023 14:29:46 GMT -5
We have touched upon this before regarding a complete turnaround regarding Jeff. He seems a nice guy doesn't he, butt it really does require attention when peeps start to talk about no-one is here, or what is here is not real etc .. He kant of had a realisation that there is no one here, to then beg for mercy to God lol . You kant have a reversal of realisation. You either realise without any doubt that there is what you are here as an individual or not. You kant change your mind afterwards to that extent otherwise the realisation wasn't a realisation at all. A realisation, is a realisation . The idea of 'spiritual realization' does imply a finality...a non-reversal, and so perhaps in Jeff's case...and many cases....there was 'insight', but not realization. I'm probably more an insight guy than a realization guy too, though I reflected for a minute before I wrote that sentence, and certainly there have been moments in which there has been an internal 'shift' in which I've been aware that nothing would be quite the same, ever again. And so far, I've been right about the moments. Of course, in one sense, every moment is unique, but I guess you know what I mean. It all depends on ones vantage point doesn't it that then entertains realisations and insights. An insight into oneself where there is awareness that what you are can exist beyond the physical for some would be the pinnacle of their experience and therefore relate anything physical to not being what you are. This could be referred to as a realisation as such butt not a realisation that there is what you are that is both physical and not. There is insight present in order to allow one to compare self of the physical to the non physical but even though the insight was correct, it's not the bigger picture. There are so many layers to what one realises in relation to that they are. It kinda depends on where on is at . If we talk about vibrations, levels, frequencies, then insights and realisations reflecting these, would be different depending on these foundations.
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Post by Reefs on Oct 23, 2023 5:44:07 GMT -5
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