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Post by inavalan on Nov 27, 2022 1:39:40 GMT -5
Not funny, but that may be due to cultural differences. Anyway, to affect your individually perceived physical-reality, your subconscious has to implement that change in the blueprint of its creation. That reflects your beliefs (assumptions and truths) and expectations, and it isn't affected by your ego's intentional affirmations and visualizations. Your ego's beliefs and expectations must change. The best way for that is to become lucid, which is a shift in your awareness, or state of consciousness, which brings up a different set of beliefs. Until you reach the level to be able t do that, you can obtain more modest results by identifying your ego's limiting beliefs, suspend or replace them, while also changing your focus and expectations. Red pill, not blue pill. How can you explain me how the blue color looks like when you did not see in your life so far? You are paying very less attention to the people here and you put yourself in the teacher mode, that's why very obvious goes unnoticed. I thought I was talking to an adult, but I guess I was talking to the kid in your avatar ... Smart kid, but just a kid. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 1:47:43 GMT -5
How can you explain me how the blue color looks like when you did not see in your life so far? You are paying very less attention to the people here and you put yourself in the teacher mode, that's why very obvious goes unnoticed. I thought I was talking to an adult, but I guess I was talking to the kid in your avatar ... Smart kid, but just a kid. sorry that I made you pissed off. And also I would like to tell you a secret, I always ride roller-coaster, I have created you for my down side of the roller-coaster, Good argument gives me the pleasure(happy side) but I can't stay there for a very long time, roller-coaster goes down to experience it's down side, when it goes down side, I create people to perform the role! I usually don't reveal this to people because they feel like they are being used. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 2:00:31 GMT -5
Each individual is stamped to perform a certain role, our clarity removes certain people from our life and it brings certain new people into our life. Hitler did not create the war, the need of war created Hitler. Correct. Hitler said as much: "I walk the path that fate dictates with the assurance of a sleepwalker."
Yes, it moves like nobody is responsible for whatever is happening. Everything moves as one. Murderer is attracted to the victim like a moth is attracted to a flame. |
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Post by inavalan on Nov 27, 2022 2:36:53 GMT -5
I thought I was talking to an adult, but I guess I was talking to the kid in your avatar ... Smart kid, but just a kid. sorry that I made you pissed off. And also I would like to tell you a secret, I always ride roller-coaster, I have created you for my down side of the roller-coaster, Good argument gives me the pleasure(happy side) but I can't stay there for a very long time, roller-coaster goes down to experience it's down side, when it goes down side, I create people to perform the role! I usually don't reveal this to people because they feel like they are being used. .  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 2:46:21 GMT -5
sorry that I made you pissed off. And also I would like to tell you a secret, I always ride roller-coaster, I have created you for my down side of the roller-coaster, Good argument gives me the pleasure(happy side) but I can't stay there for a very long time, roller-coaster goes down to experience it's down side, when it goes down side, I create people to perform the role! I usually don't reveal this to people because they feel like they are being used. .  One day it may hit you or you may die without realizing the fact the reason mostly because you would like to be a teacher. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 3:09:00 GMT -5
Practice sitting in silence. Silent Awareness is closer to the real "You" than this mind noise. It works by some kind of magic to clear up the mind and reveal things of greater value. It is what I do. Not just sitting only but living in silence all the time. Just sitting is not good enough. Once the SVP gets up from sitting, it acts like a naughty kid let out of detention class and go shoot up the school.
There isn't a day that passes without a news report of some SVP causing violence. It's depressing and my resolve to keep the SVP (sree) restrained to live in silence strengthens. I doubt it. Or, we're not referring to the same "silence". I can tell by the things you talk about. For example, if you go into this silent awareness, I doubt you'd come out talking this way about "evil" and how the SVP needs to be "restrained". These ideas are not ultimately true, and are only created by your own mind. I don't see how someone could go into silent awareness and remain this attached to mind-made fictions and false selves. I could be wrong; just telling you how I see it... |
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Post by sree on Nov 27, 2022 11:18:45 GMT -5
Correct. Hitler said as much: "I walk the path that fate dictates with the assurance of a sleepwalker."
Yes, it moves like nobody is responsible for whatever is happening. Everything moves as one. Murderer is attracted to the victim like a moth is attracted to a flame. I feel like a moth attracted to suffering.
The distinction I want to make is that the attraction - in my case - is not TO suffering but BY suffering.
I am sensitive to suffering and aware of its presence. Like a tracker in the forest, I can see the signs of tiger markings unnoticed by other people.
Laffy and zendancer are attracted to Thanksgiving. Soon, they will be attracted to Christmas; like moths attracted to a flame.
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Post by sree on Nov 27, 2022 13:12:58 GMT -5
It is what I do. Not just sitting only but living in silence all the time. Just sitting is not good enough. Once the SVP gets up from sitting, it acts like a naughty kid let out of detention class and go shoot up the school.
There isn't a day that passes without a news report of some SVP causing violence. It's depressing and my resolve to keep the SVP (sree) restrained to live in silence strengthens. I doubt it. Or, we're not referring to the same "silence". I can tell by the things you talk about. For example, if you go into this silent awareness, I doubt you'd come out talking this way about "evil" and how the SVP needs to be "restrained". These ideas are not ultimately true, and are only created by your own mind. I don't see how someone could go into silent awareness and remain this attached to mind-made fictions and false selves. I could be wrong; just telling you how I see it... If you could be wrong, there is every possibility that I could be wrong also. This is the wonderful thing about having more than one SVP, each with an independent point of view.
I don't believe that the SVP is a false self. Do you think America is a false national self? What about the corporate self of Citibank or any real to life celebrity selves such as Donald Trump and Elon Musk? True, they are all mind-made fictions, but are they false? You are correct in the sense that all those examples, like the SVP, are psychological constructs but they are not false. They exist.
Spiritual inquiry is an examination of the true nature of things. Richard Gere and Jim Carrey know the SVP is a mind-made fiction; and yet, they go on living their lives as Richard Gere and Jim Carrey. Is their self-realization of any significant value even if they tell you that their SVPs are false selves? I bet you that they would not regard their shoes as false shoes or that their partners in life are false girlfriends or false wives.
Seeing the truth in the nature of the SVP is easy. What about a piece of rock or your body? Can your silent awareness detach you from these mind-made fictions? My silent awareness can do it. But it doesn't mean that the body won't die if I hang it by the neck, or it won't get hurt if it is hit by a piece of rock.
So, what is the point to silent awareness and the clarity it gives into the nature of things? It all depends on what is the driver of your spiritual inquiry. Mine is an aversion to suffering caused by the SVP. Why are you drawn to spiritual inquiry?
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Post by laughter on Nov 27, 2022 14:03:16 GMT -5
It's not free-will. Gopal's decision to program you is also predetermined. He doesn't like the idea of predetermination but he believes in everything moves as one which means creation happens but there is no creator, choice happens but there is no choice maker. Nah, it's not that I " don't like" predetermination, it's just that "everything moves as one" doesn't relate to predetermination with the logic you think it does. |
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Post by tenka on Nov 27, 2022 14:45:09 GMT -5
He doesn't like the idea of predetermination but he believes in everything moves as one which means creation happens but there is no creator, choice happens but there is no choice maker. Nah, it's not that I " don't like" predetermination, it's just that "everything moves as one" doesn't relate to predetermination with the logic you think it does. .. last year I had a vision of seeing a white car in front of a garage . I intuitively thought that I am going to move and have a new car . Two weeks ago my next-door neighbour had a fire in his garage that swept across to mine and blew up my car and destroyed my garage . I looked for a new car and in a matter of minutes, I brought the car that was in my vision & obviously I am going to have a new garage also .. When I have these sorts of visions that I have had for many years, there doesn't seem to be anything that can stop these things from happening after I have had a vision of such things . It really does make you think that if you can see these things a year from the event, then it's in a way just playing out as it should . |
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Post by tenka on Nov 27, 2022 14:49:05 GMT -5
Thank you, that warmed the cockles of my heart. In your post on the 'Consciousness' thread, you spoke of 'saving the world' again. Those words are a little strong for me, but I appreciate that, in your way, you believe you are doing the best you can for the world, but without being a 'do-gooder'. Have you even watched Alan Watts speak of the 'road to hell'? It's a speech I like. My view (somewhat like Tenka) is that there is an inevitability to the SVP, and that although the SVP can be transcended in our normal waking state, this is more of a fundamental re-contextualization within our experience, rather than a total abandonment of the SVP. It's a change in our 'way' or 'mode' of experiencing/perceiving (though there are also meditative states, in which the SVP is 'dormant'). My interest is more directed towards how I can use the SVP positively and effectively, which is partly why I'm interested in your mode of functioning and experiencing. I think I've asked all the questions I can ask for now, so thank you for engaging with them. And thank you too, andrew. You have no idea of the benefit I derive in engaging you guys in discussion. I have been to many forums on spirituality but none has SVPs that can take my punches and kicks the way you folks are able to. The harder I can strike, the deeper I get into this dark void of evil possessing mankind. It's a dirty job no one else wants to do. As Gopal said, Hitler did not create the war, it's the war that created Hitler. I guess it's this hell hole of a world that has created sree.
I need to perfect my martial art in destroying the SVP. I look forward to the next one that faces me in combat.
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Post by laughter on Nov 27, 2022 14:56:46 GMT -5
Affirmation and visualization are for your ego's benefit, to focus on what it wants, not to communicate with your subconscious. They are overridden by your beliefs (conscious and unconscious), which are held by your subconscious. I know belief creates reality. The question is, have you ever used affirmation or visualization to create anything? Have you attained any success? Beliefs don't create reality. Beliefs color and accent the dream. |
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Post by laughter on Nov 27, 2022 15:07:18 GMT -5
I know belief creates reality. The question is, have you ever used affirmation or visualization to create anything? Have you attained any success? Pertinent questions. I had some success in creating / changing reality, but not just through "affirmation or visualization", but through projections of awareness, working with my subconscious, identifying and changing limiting beliefs, using intuition for choices, ... I don't think that this is the environment to brag about it. Surely, still being here means I still have ways to go.   |
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Post by laughter on Nov 27, 2022 15:11:57 GMT -5
As I told you once before, I'll never turn down an offer to agree to disagree. But I will never stop pointing out when your imagination is playing tricks on you.  Point out one trick my imagination played on me. You imagined that I either was, or at least had the potential to get "mad or upset" because I was not understood. |
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Post by inavalan on Nov 27, 2022 15:34:02 GMT -5
I see. /kid on roller-coaster toy/ One day it may hit you or you may die without realizing the fact the reason mostly because you would like to be a teacher. You made an incorrect assessment about me ... I don't want to be a teacher. I don't like to teach. I think that a spiritual teacher shouldn't teach the truth as he knows / believes it to be, but instruct every pupil to look only inwards for the truth. I don't believe I can change anybody, because everybody can be changed only by themselves. As you wrote somewhere, we deal with "figments" (inside individual realities created by our own individual subconscious). My amendment is that those "figments" are based on our individual distorted perception (at non-physical level) of other existing identities. As I was explaining here: |
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One day it may hit you or you may die without realizing the fact the reason mostly because you would like to be a teacher. 
