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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 9:37:18 GMT -5
A person who has never seen a blue color is taking a class now as to how blue colour looks like! Funny eh? You probably mean "giving a class". Students take a class, a teacher can give one. I don't mean to be obnoxious; I'm also learning other languages and I know it's a challenge. In this case I thought you'd want to know, because I suspect it flips your intended meaning. I would like to thank you from my bottom of my heart for helping me. Thanks. |
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Post by sree on Nov 26, 2022 9:48:39 GMT -5
It's not free-will. Gopal's decision to program you is also predetermined. He doesn't like the idea of predetermination but he believes in everything moves as one which means creation happens but there is no creator, choice happens but there is no choice maker. Laffy believes that everything moves as one as in dance? He believes that the dance moves are choreographed and designed by a dance maker.
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Post by sree on Nov 26, 2022 9:53:34 GMT -5
You know what, Laffy? We may not see eye to eye on this matter ever. Let it be. Don't get mad or upset just because you are not understood. In nature, no creature understands any other. Prey don't understand predators. Fire doesn't understand water. The sun doesn't understand the moon. None gives a shit. And yet, life goes on regardless. As long as you don't cause harm to the body, and put your needs before it, you are good to go. As I told you once before, I'll never turn down an offer to agree to disagree. But I will never stop pointing out when your imagination is playing tricks on you.  Point out one trick my imagination played on me. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 10:09:38 GMT -5
He doesn't like the idea of predetermination but he believes in everything moves as one which means creation happens but there is no creator, choice happens but there is no choice maker. Laffy believes that everything moves as one as in dance? He believes that the dance moves are choreographed and designed by a dance maker.
Actually its difficult to understand what he believes. He starts the argument but if you get into the argument, he would quickly say he is not interested in any kind of argument. All I know about him is, he always come to protect Reefs and zendancer. That's the only thing I know about him clearly. |
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Post by sree on Nov 26, 2022 11:25:42 GMT -5
Laffy believes that everything moves as one as in dance? He believes that the dance moves are choreographed and designed by a dance maker.
Actually its difficult to understand what he believes. He starts the argument but if you get into the argument, he would quickly say he is not interested in any kind of argument. All I know about him is, he always come to protect Reefs and zendancer. That's the only thing I know about him clearly. This is called "ganging up". It can happen at the street level as in street gangs where two or more guys confront you. At the international level, NATO is a form of a gang. I hate gangs. Gangs are formed by bullies. And bullies are cowards with a need to push evil agendas nobody wants in order to dominate and control the public space. Most of us are not aware that we are programmed by evil. We think we are spiritual. This is a classic example of "imagination playing tricks" as Laffy puts it. This is why I keep bringing up the question of morality. The folks in this forum never talk about morality. They just focus on TPTPAU. Yakuza gangs have their own TPTPAU.
I can be programmed by evil also and not know it, as you said. This is why I practice the art of "minding my body". It stops me from committing acts of evil on others. No matter how good that act seems to be such as giving to the poor, defend democracy, save the planet, fighting for freedom. Every time my SVP gets possessed by such "good guy impulse", I snap it to attention the way I would do to my dog: "Down boy! Mind your own goddam business."
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Post by andrew on Nov 26, 2022 11:50:12 GMT -5
Actually its difficult to understand what he believes. He starts the argument but if you get into the argument, he would quickly say he is not interested in any kind of argument. All I know about him is, he always come to protect Reefs and zendancer. That's the only thing I know about him clearly. This is called "ganging up". It can happen at the street level as in street gangs where two or more guys confront you. At the international level, NATO is a form of a gang. I hate gangs. Gangs are formed by bullies. And bullies are cowards with a need to push evil agendas nobody wants in order to dominate and control the public space. Most of us are not aware that we are programmed by evil. We think we are spiritual. This is a classic example of "imagination playing tricks" as Laffy puts it. This is why I keep bringing up the question of morality. The folks in this forum never talk about morality. They just focus on TPTPAU. Yakuza gangs have their own TPTPAU.
I can be programmed by evil also and not know it, as you said. This is why I practice the art of "minding my body". It stops me from committing acts of evil on others. No matter how good that act seems to be such as giving to the poor, defend democracy, save the planet, fighting for freedom. Every time my SVP gets possessed by such "good guy impulse", I snap it to attention the way I would do to my dog: "Down boy! Mind your own goddam business."
Your desire to avoid evil, and the fact that you seem consistent in your approach is noble, but what if 'minding your body' is equal in its evil as acting from a 'good guy impulse'? Couldn't they both be said to be the SVP 'interfering' with life? What's more evil about interfering with your body to feed it, than interfering with a dog's body and feeding it? Is there a distinction between acting from love, and acting from a 'good guy impulse'? Asking that another way, is there an authentic giving, and an SVP giving? I guess the general question is....is there ever action without ego? If not, is a positive ego better than a negative ego? Is acting with a positive sense of goodness and love, better than acting with a negative sense of hatred and malice? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 12:27:05 GMT -5
Actually its difficult to understand what he believes. He starts the argument but if you get into the argument, he would quickly say he is not interested in any kind of argument. All I know about him is, he always come to protect Reefs and zendancer. That's the only thing I know about him clearly. This is called "ganging up". It can happen at the street level as in street gangs where two or more guys confront you. At the international level, NATO is a form of a gang. I hate gangs. Gangs are formed by bullies. And bullies are cowards with a need to push evil agendas nobody wants in order to dominate and control the public space. Most of us are not aware that we are programmed by evil. We think we are spiritual. This is a classic example of "imagination playing tricks" as Laffy puts it. This is why I keep bringing up the question of morality. The folks in this forum never talk about morality. They just focus on TPTPAU. Yakuza gangs have their own TPTPAU.
I can be programmed by evil also and not know it, as you said. This is why I practice the art of "minding my body". It stops me from committing acts of evil on others. No matter how good that act seems to be such as giving to the poor, defend democracy, save the planet, fighting for freedom. Every time my SVP gets possessed by such "good guy impulse", I snap it to attention the way I would do to my dog: "Down boy! Mind your own goddam business."
Practice sitting in silence. Silent Awareness is closer to the real "You" than this mind noise. It works by some kind of magic to clear up the mind and reveal things of greater value. |
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Post by sree on Nov 26, 2022 12:42:31 GMT -5
This is called "ganging up". It can happen at the street level as in street gangs where two or more guys confront you. At the international level, NATO is a form of a gang. I hate gangs. Gangs are formed by bullies. And bullies are cowards with a need to push evil agendas nobody wants in order to dominate and control the public space. Most of us are not aware that we are programmed by evil. We think we are spiritual. This is a classic example of "imagination playing tricks" as Laffy puts it. This is why I keep bringing up the question of morality. The folks in this forum never talk about morality. They just focus on TPTPAU. Yakuza gangs have their own TPTPAU.
I can be programmed by evil also and not know it, as you said. This is why I practice the art of "minding my body". It stops me from committing acts of evil on others. No matter how good that act seems to be such as giving to the poor, defend democracy, save the planet, fighting for freedom. Every time my SVP gets possessed by such "good guy impulse", I snap it to attention the way I would do to my dog: "Down boy! Mind your own goddam business."
Your desire to avoid evil, and the fact that you seem consistent in your approach is noble, but what if 'minding your body' is equal in its evil as acting from a 'good guy impulse'? Couldn't they both be said to be the SVP 'interfering' with life? What's more evil about interfering with your body to feed it, than interfering with a dog's body and feeding it?
Is there a distinction between acting from love, and acting from a 'good guy impulse'? Asking that another way, is there an authentic giving, and an SVP giving? I guess the general question is....is there ever action without ego? If not, is a positive ego better than a negative ego? Is acting with a positive sense of goodness and love, better than acting with a negative sense of hatred and malice? I don't keep dogs after giving up conventional life. Keeping a dog or cat as a pet is an SVP's need of a comfort animal. It is superfluous to and has nothing to do with minding the body. A wife can also be a comfort animal. This is why I have no personal relationships. (Sree) won't allow it. This is getting confusing. I think I should start speaking in the third person.
How could minding the body be a good guy impulse? I (the SVP) am stuck with this job which I don't want but must do. The SVP must not be allowed to do anything extraneous to this task until the body dies. Killing the body is not allowed. Momo SVPs do want to do that. Bourdain did it.
My minding the body philosophy has given rise to a morality that passeth all understanding. It won't admit evil into my life, and it prevents the committing of evil by the SVP.
Love? What love? It is an illusion, the shadow on Plato's cave that thought points to. Laffy sees something in that shadow cast by his SVP.
In minding the body and nothing else, the SVP (sree) is essentially giving up its life of disorder.
Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. All you SVPs are my friends if you do as I do and rid the world of evil.
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Post by sree on Nov 26, 2022 12:57:10 GMT -5
This is called "ganging up". It can happen at the street level as in street gangs where two or more guys confront you. At the international level, NATO is a form of a gang. I hate gangs. Gangs are formed by bullies. And bullies are cowards with a need to push evil agendas nobody wants in order to dominate and control the public space. Most of us are not aware that we are programmed by evil. We think we are spiritual. This is a classic example of "imagination playing tricks" as Laffy puts it. This is why I keep bringing up the question of morality. The folks in this forum never talk about morality. They just focus on TPTPAU. Yakuza gangs have their own TPTPAU.
I can be programmed by evil also and not know it, as you said. This is why I practice the art of "minding my body". It stops me from committing acts of evil on others. No matter how good that act seems to be such as giving to the poor, defend democracy, save the planet, fighting for freedom. Every time my SVP gets possessed by such "good guy impulse", I snap it to attention the way I would do to my dog: "Down boy! Mind your own goddam business."
Silent Awareness is closer to the real "You" than this mind noise. It works by some kind of magic to clear up the mind and reveal things of greater value. It is what I do. Not just sitting only but living in silence all the time. Just sitting is not good enough. Once the SVP gets up from sitting, it acts like a naughty kid let out of detention class and go shoot up the school.
There isn't a day that passes without a news report of some SVP causing violence. It's depressing and my resolve to keep the SVP (sree) restrained to live in silence strengthens. |
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Post by andrew on Nov 26, 2022 13:36:11 GMT -5
Your desire to avoid evil, and the fact that you seem consistent in your approach is noble, but what if 'minding your body' is equal in its evil as acting from a 'good guy impulse'? Couldn't they both be said to be the SVP 'interfering' with life? What's more evil about interfering with your body to feed it, than interfering with a dog's body and feeding it?
Is there a distinction between acting from love, and acting from a 'good guy impulse'? Asking that another way, is there an authentic giving, and an SVP giving? I guess the general question is....is there ever action without ego? If not, is a positive ego better than a negative ego? Is acting with a positive sense of goodness and love, better than acting with a negative sense of hatred and malice? I don't keep dogs after giving up conventional life. Keeping a dog or cat as a pet is an SVP's need of a comfort animal. It is superfluous to and has nothing to do with minding the body. A wife can also be a comfort animal. This is why I have no personal relationships. (Sree) won't allow it. This is getting confusing. I think I should start speaking in the third person.
How could minding the body be a good guy impulse? I (the SVP) am stuck with this job which I don't want but must do. The SVP must not be allowed to do anything extraneous to this task until the body dies. Killing the body is not allowed. Momo SVPs do want to do that. Bourdain did it.
My minding the body philosophy has given rise to a morality that passeth all understanding. It won't admit evil into my life, and it prevents the committing of evil by the SVP.
Love? What love? It is an illusion, the shadow on Plato's cave that thought points to. Laffy sees something in that shadow cast by his SVP.
In minding the body and nothing else, the SVP (sree) is essentially giving up its life of disorder. Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. All you SVPs are my friends if you do as I do and rid the world of evil.
Actively killing the body would be an act of violence, but you do have the option to do nothing at all. To sit and wither away. The action you take is one of active self-preservation. What I'm not understanding is why that is LESS evil than acting to preserve others e.g a fireman who saves folks from a burning building. My rationale is that they are both acts of preservation, and all bodies are sacred. I may have already asked you, but why do you consider your body more sacred than other bodies? That seems to be the bit I don't understand. |
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Post by sree on Nov 26, 2022 15:36:01 GMT -5
I don't keep dogs after giving up conventional life. Keeping a dog or cat as a pet is an SVP's need of a comfort animal. It is superfluous to and has nothing to do with minding the body. A wife can also be a comfort animal. This is why I have no personal relationships. (Sree) won't allow it. This is getting confusing. I think I should start speaking in the third person.
How could minding the body be a good guy impulse? I (the SVP) am stuck with this job which I don't want but must do. The SVP must not be allowed to do anything extraneous to this task until the body dies. Killing the body is not allowed. Momo SVPs do want to do that. Bourdain did it.
My minding the body philosophy has given rise to a morality that passeth all understanding. It won't admit evil into my life, and it prevents the committing of evil by the SVP.
Love? What love? It is an illusion, the shadow on Plato's cave that thought points to. Laffy sees something in that shadow cast by his SVP.
In minding the body and nothing else, the SVP (sree) is essentially giving up its life of disorder. Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. All you SVPs are my friends if you do as I do and rid the world of evil.
Actively killing the body would be an act of violence, but you do have the option to do nothing at all. To sit and wither away. The action you take is one of active self-preservation. What I'm not understanding is why that is LESS evil than acting to preserve others e.g a fireman who saves folks from a burning building. My rationale is that they are both acts of preservation, and all bodies are sacred. I may have already asked you, but why do you consider your body more sacred than other bodies? That seems to be the bit I don't understand. You are a good man, andrew. Of all the SVPs hated by God since Adam, I love you the most. Self-preservation of my one body in a world made dangerous by SVPs is an intelligent option. My giving up conventional life wiped out the psychological distractions that other SVPs are engulfed in. There is no other way to lower the noise of that hair dryer of Reefs. Take a look at Gopal with his little girl, for example. She is cute and must be the love of Gopal's life. If I were Gopal, I could kill anyone who is a threat to her. Gopal might not do it but I would. It would not be an act of volition but an uncontrollable act of passion. And that would put me in the ranks of insane politicians who have the justification to support, incite, and provoke Russia into a nuclear war. This is what predetermination is about. It's an existential setup for bad karma. I live alone leaving sree free of a little girl to defend. Sitting in silence, Robert advocates. Minding my body is not just sitting but living in a state of silence, completely shutting off energy to fuel the flames of evil. The SVP is a tool of evil and must be watched constantly. It must not be allowed to create mischief, situations where more bodies, including its own, are put in harm's way. Doing good is the point of view of the SVP. Is it not better to avoid starting fires rather than create fire traps from which to save people? It's the same everywhere you look. First, create a dangerous world. Then, go around saving lives as angels of goodness. Do you realize that this is our superiority complex in the west? Gopal is right. We have been programmed and don't know it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 15:41:10 GMT -5
Actively killing the body would be an act of violence, but you do have the option to do nothing at all. To sit and wither away. The action you take is one of active self-preservation. What I'm not understanding is why that is LESS evil than acting to preserve others e.g a fireman who saves folks from a burning building. My rationale is that they are both acts of preservation, and all bodies are sacred. I may have already asked you, but why do you consider your body more sacred than other bodies? That seems to be the bit I don't understand. You are a good man, andrew. Of all the SVPs hated by God since Adam, I love you the most. Self-preservation of my one body in a world made dangerous by SVPs is an intelligent option. My giving up conventional life wiped out the psychological distractions that other SVPs are engulfed in. There is no other way to lower the noise of that hair dryer of Reefs. Take a look at Gopal with his little girl, for example. She is cute and must be the love of Gopal's life. If I were Gopal, I could kill anyone who is a threat to her. Gopal might not do it but I would. It would not be an act of volition but an uncontrollable act of passion. And that would put me in the ranks of insane politicians who have the justification to support, incite, and provoke Russia into a nuclear war. This is what predetermination is about. It's an existential setup for bad karma. I live alone leaving sree free of a little girl to defend. Sitting in silence, Robert advocates. Minding my body is not just sitting but living in a state of silence, completely shutting off energy to fuel the flames of evil. The SVP is a tool of evil and must be watched constantly. It must not be allowed to create mischief, situations where more bodies, including its own, are put in harm's way. Doing good is the point of view of the SVP. Is it not better to avoid starting fires rather than create fire traps from which to save people? It's the same everywhere you look. First, create a dangerous world. Then, go around saving lives as angels of goodness. Do you realize that this is our superiority complex in the west? Gopal is right. We have been programmed and don't know it.
Each individual is stamped to perform a certain role, our clarity removes certain people from our life and it brings certain new people into our life. Hitler did not create the war, the need of war created Hitler. |
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Post by sree on Nov 26, 2022 15:47:04 GMT -5
You are a good man, andrew. Of all the SVPs hated by God since Adam, I love you the most. Self-preservation of my one body in a world made dangerous by SVPs is an intelligent option. My giving up conventional life wiped out the psychological distractions that other SVPs are engulfed in. There is no other way to lower the noise of that hair dryer of Reefs. Take a look at Gopal with his little girl, for example. She is cute and must be the love of Gopal's life. If I were Gopal, I could kill anyone who is a threat to her. Gopal might not do it but I would. It would not be an act of volition but an uncontrollable act of passion. And that would put me in the ranks of insane politicians who have the justification to support, incite, and provoke Russia into a nuclear war. This is what predetermination is about. It's an existential setup for bad karma. I live alone leaving sree free of a little girl to defend. Sitting in silence, Robert advocates. Minding my body is not just sitting but living in a state of silence, completely shutting off energy to fuel the flames of evil. The SVP is a tool of evil and must be watched constantly. It must not be allowed to create mischief, situations where more bodies, including its own, are put in harm's way. Doing good is the point of view of the SVP. Is it not better to avoid starting fires rather than create fire traps from which to save people? It's the same everywhere you look. First, create a dangerous world. Then, go around saving lives as angels of goodness. Do you realize that this is our superiority complex in the west? Gopal is right. We have been programmed and don't know it.
Each individual is stamped to perform a certain role, our clarity removes certain people from our life and it brings certain new people into our life. Hitler did not create the war, the need of war created Hitler. Correct. Hitler said as much: "I walk the path that fate dictates with the assurance of a sleepwalker."
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Post by andrew on Nov 26, 2022 18:11:48 GMT -5
Actively killing the body would be an act of violence, but you do have the option to do nothing at all. To sit and wither away. The action you take is one of active self-preservation. What I'm not understanding is why that is LESS evil than acting to preserve others e.g a fireman who saves folks from a burning building. My rationale is that they are both acts of preservation, and all bodies are sacred. I may have already asked you, but why do you consider your body more sacred than other bodies? That seems to be the bit I don't understand.
Self-preservation of my one body in a world made dangerous by SVPs is an intelligent option. My giving up conventional life wiped out the psychological distractions that other SVPs are engulfed in. There is no other way to lower the noise of that hair dryer of Reefs. Take a look at Gopal with his little girl, for example. She is cute and must be the love of Gopal's life. If I were Gopal, I could kill anyone who is a threat to her. Gopal might not do it but I would. It would not be an act of volition but an uncontrollable act of passion. And that would put me in the ranks of insane politicians who have the justification to support, incite, and provoke Russia into a nuclear war. This is what predetermination is about. It's an existential setup for bad karma. I live alone leaving sree free of a little girl to defend. Sitting in silence, Robert advocates. Minding my body is not just sitting but living in a state of silence, completely shutting off energy to fuel the flames of evil. The SVP is a tool of evil and must be watched constantly. It must not be allowed to create mischief, situations where more bodies, including its own, are put in harm's way. Doing good is the point of view of the SVP. Is it not better to avoid starting fires rather than create fire traps from which to save people? It's the same everywhere you look. First, create a dangerous world. Then, go around saving lives as angels of goodness. Do you realize that this is our superiority complex in the west? Gopal is right. We have been programmed and don't know it.
Thank you, that warmed the cockles of my heart. In your post on the 'Consciousness' thread, you spoke of 'saving the world' again. Those words are a little strong for me, but I appreciate that, in your way, you believe you are doing the best you can for the world, but without being a 'do-gooder'. Have you even watched Alan Watts speak of the 'road to hell'? It's a speech I like. My view (somewhat like Tenka) is that there is an inevitability to the SVP, and that although the SVP can be transcended in our normal waking state, this is more of a fundamental re-contextualization within our experience, rather than a total abandonment of the SVP. It's a change in our 'way' or 'mode' of experiencing/perceiving (though there are also meditative states, in which the SVP is 'dormant'). My interest is more directed towards how I can use the SVP positively and effectively, which is partly why I'm interested in your mode of functioning and experiencing. I think I've asked all the questions I can ask for now, so thank you for engaging with them. |
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Post by sree on Nov 26, 2022 20:03:41 GMT -5
You are a good man, andrew. Of all the SVPs hated by God since Adam, I love you the most.
Self-preservation of my one body in a world made dangerous by SVPs is an intelligent option. My giving up conventional life wiped out the psychological distractions that other SVPs are engulfed in. There is no other way to lower the noise of that hair dryer of Reefs. Take a look at Gopal with his little girl, for example. She is cute and must be the love of Gopal's life. If I were Gopal, I could kill anyone who is a threat to her. Gopal might not do it but I would. It would not be an act of volition but an uncontrollable act of passion. And that would put me in the ranks of insane politicians who have the justification to support, incite, and provoke Russia into a nuclear war. This is what predetermination is about. It's an existential setup for bad karma. I live alone leaving sree free of a little girl to defend. Sitting in silence, Robert advocates. Minding my body is not just sitting but living in a state of silence, completely shutting off energy to fuel the flames of evil. The SVP is a tool of evil and must be watched constantly. It must not be allowed to create mischief, situations where more bodies, including its own, are put in harm's way. Doing good is the point of view of the SVP. Is it not better to avoid starting fires rather than create fire traps from which to save people? It's the same everywhere you look. First, create a dangerous world. Then, go around saving lives as angels of goodness. Do you realize that this is our superiority complex in the west? Gopal is right. We have been programmed and don't know it. In your post on the 'Consciousness' thread, you spoke of 'saving the world' again. Those words are a little strong for me, but I appreciate that, in your way, you believe you are doing the best you can for the world, but without being a 'do-gooder'. Have you even watched Alan Watts speak of the 'road to hell'? It's a speech I like. My view (somewhat like Tenka) is that there is an inevitability to the SVP, and that although the SVP can be transcended in our normal waking state, this is more of a fundamental re-contextualization within our experience, rather than a total abandonment of the SVP. It's a change in our 'way' or 'mode' of experiencing/perceiving (though there are also meditative states, in which the SVP is 'dormant'). My interest is more directed towards how I can use the SVP positively and effectively, which is partly why I'm interested in your mode of functioning and experiencing. I think I've asked all the questions I can ask for now, so thank you for engaging with them. And thank you too, andrew. You have no idea of the benefit I derive in engaging you guys in discussion. I have been to many forums on spirituality but none has SVPs that can take my punches and kicks the way you folks are able to. The harder I can strike, the deeper I get into this dark void of evil possessing mankind. It's a dirty job no one else wants to do. As Gopal said, Hitler did not create the war, it's the war that created Hitler. I guess it's this hell hole of a world that has created sree.
I need to perfect my martial art in destroying the SVP. I look forward to the next one that faces me in combat.
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