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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 20:04:13 GMT -5
For God's sake, speak English. This is America. No, it's the world. Speak worldly. "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things." - Paul the Apostle What does that mean? |
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Post by sree on Aug 15, 2022 20:43:58 GMT -5
For God's sake, speak English. This is America. No, it's the world. Speak worldly. "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things." - Paul the Apostle What does that mean? It means that we must deal with reality. The world is America. You approve of it. We strut.
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Post by sree on Aug 15, 2022 21:11:29 GMT -5
Look, in my reply to ouroboros int the "Death" thread, I gave a distinction between Krishnamurti's definition of the self and that of mine. I objectify the self as the boat (body) without the boatman. Krishnamurti's self is the person (Boatman in boat)
The empty boat points to the essential nature of things (created by the consciousness). All things (including people) are like cardboard cutouts. Look into the mirror. There is no one (boatman) there.
All harmful emotions (i.e. rage, compassion, lust, etc) are incited by presence of the person (boatman).
If I am not being clear, inconsistent or dead wrong, point out the error. I will eat my shoe if it is on the wrong foot. This is an inquiry. I am here to learn.
Well with all due respect I hope you have a healthy fucking appetite I do; otherwise, I would not have been able to step out of the stream of sorrow in which you live. I have yet to eat a thing.
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Post by sree on Aug 15, 2022 21:30:24 GMT -5
Look, in my reply to ouroboros int the "Death" thread, I gave a distinction between Krishnamurti's definition of the self and that of mine. I objectify the self as the boat (body) without the boatman. Krishnamurti's self is the person (Boatman in boat)
The empty boat points to the essential nature of things (created by the consciousness). All things (including people) are like cardboard cutouts. Look into the mirror. There is no one (boatman) there.
All harmful emotions (i.e. rage, compassion, lust, etc) are incited by presence of the person (boatman).
If I am not being clear, inconsistent or dead wrong, point out the error. I will eat my shoe if it is on the wrong foot. This is an inquiry. I am here to learn.
So for sree, there is nobody who is responsible? I'm asking. When you say negative emotions are incited by the boatman, I don't know what you mean, as you said that boatmen are merely cardboard cutouts. How do negative emotions arise? Who/what sees there is no boatman? (Who/what sees what we consider the boatman are merely cardboard cutouts?) You seem to have shown there is a perpetuating loop (created by the consciousness). What is the way out of the perpetuating loop? I am not saying you are wrong (except you yourself don't seem very happy), I'm just saying I don't understand your view. You say humanity is one whole. It seems you are saying there is no individual change (for the reasons above and from past posts). I don't see the Whole changing, It Just Is. So I see no possibility of change, in your POV. So we are back to square one. I don't know why sree is here. Ok, you are asking a great question. I see the confusion. It’s not your fault. It’s the English language.
Perception of things. All things are cardboard cutouts: tree, sky, dog, people. Thought comes in to give “life” to things and thereby creates boatmen. There is no such thing as life as opposed to death. The body is neither dead nor alive. Apoptosis and mitosis are phenomena. The dead corpse and the living body. We differentiate one from the other. We are repelled by one and cling to the other.
Mickey Mouse is a cardboard cutout running across the screen. It’s “lifelike” movements conjure the presence of the “boatman”. It’s the same with the lifelike movements of your image in the mirror. The body’s image is just a cardboard cutout. No boatman. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 1:33:22 GMT -5
Well with all due respect I hope you have a healthy fucking appetite I do; otherwise, I would not have been able to step out of the stream of sorrow in which you live. I have yet to eat a thing.
Sorrow? Where did that word come from? There is no distress here, not even when I cry, I just chalk it up to being highly sensitive, but who knows. Would love for you to wet my cheek, even one solitary tear would do, but I can't tell if you're being completely forthright here or behaving with the utmost of honesty.. ..but you do, and your words will reflect that |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 1:42:16 GMT -5
No, it's the world. Speak worldly. "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things." - Paul the Apostle What does that mean? It means that we must deal with reality. The world is America. You approve of it. We strut.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 2:58:59 GMT -5
Good morning sree, how are you, well I hope. Mind if I fill you in with a little background info? When you first arrived here I read a few of your posts.. but I must have been 'in a mood' because I didn't really connect with you, like at all. I even mentioned to someone in a backdoor convo.. 'I have no interest in seekers like sree'. So I put you on my unofficial 'ignore' list, and scrolled past all of your writing without even so much as a peek.. until I didn't I guess, and now you're like my new antichrist or something, hehe I'd like to go back and read what I missed but I'm sure there's little chance of that happening Care to fill me in with anything pertinent? Also, you're not like the ordinary ND student, are you? Do you know what kind you are though? |
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Post by zazeniac on Aug 16, 2022 10:01:39 GMT -5
Roy Orbison! Wow! Levitates me. Fucking awesome. Just realized you could write the f word. Fuck no punctuation freedom Of course, not about me.. but I know I am a bad, bad man, and you need not remind me.  Definitely. |
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Post by sree on Aug 16, 2022 13:53:18 GMT -5
I do; otherwise, I would not have been able to step out of the stream of sorrow in which you live. I have yet to eat a thing.
Sorrow? Where did that word come from? There is no distress here, not even when I cry, I just chalk it up to being highly sensitive, but who knows. Would love for you to wet my cheek, even one solitary tear would do, but I can't tell if you're being completely forthright here or behaving with the utmost of honesty.. ..but you do, and your words will reflect that The banality of evil is a concept of Hannah Arendt. My concept patterned on hers would be the banality of sorrow. We have gotten used to living in a world of human pain and suffering.
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Post by zazeniac on Aug 16, 2022 13:58:27 GMT -5
Sorrow? Where did that word come from? There is no distress here, not even when I cry, I just chalk it up to being highly sensitive, but who knows. Would love for you to wet my cheek, even one solitary tear would do, but I can't tell if you're being completely forthright here or behaving with the utmost of honesty.. ..but you do, and your words will reflect that The banality of evil is a concept of Hannah Arendt. My concept patterned on hers would be the banality of sorrow. We have gotten used to living in a world of human pain and suffering.
No tears. Comfortably numb. Pink Floyd. This is better. |
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Post by sree on Aug 16, 2022 13:59:35 GMT -5
Good morning sree, how are you, well I hope. Mind if I fill you in with a little background info? When you first arrived here I read a few of your posts.. but I must have been 'in a mood' because I didn't really connect with you, like at all. I even mentioned to someone in a backdoor convo.. 'I have no interest in seekers like sree'. So I put you on my unofficial 'ignore' list, and scrolled past all of your writing without even so much as a peek.. until I didn't I guess, and now you're like my new antichrist or something, hehe I'd like to go back and read what I missed but I'm sure there's little chance of that happening Care to fill me in with anything pertinent? Also, you're not like the ordinary ND student, are you? Do you know what kind you are though?Why do you care, farmer? I am not one of you, and you know it. (What is ND?)
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Post by andrew on Aug 16, 2022 14:13:54 GMT -5
In Spain, in my 20s, I worked alongside an Italian girl at what was basically a complaints desk in a hotel. It was probably the funniest 3 months of my working career in Spain. The principle of 'the customer is always right' ceased to apply for that 3 months. To be fair, the British guests loved her, and would hang out at our desk just to chat with us her |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 14:14:46 GMT -5
Good morning sree, how are you, well I hope. Mind if I fill you in with a little background info? When you first arrived here I read a few of your posts.. but I must have been 'in a mood' because I didn't really connect with you, like at all. I even mentioned to someone in a backdoor convo.. 'I have no interest in seekers like sree'. So I put you on my unofficial 'ignore' list, and scrolled past all of your writing without even so much as a peek.. until I didn't I guess, and now you're like my new antichrist or something, hehe I'd like to go back and read what I missed but I'm sure there's little chance of that happening Care to fill me in with anything pertinent? Also, you're not like the ordinary ND student, are you? Do you know what kind you are though?Why do you care, farmer? I am not one of you, and you know it. (What is ND?) just trying to understand you better, I don't care other than that it means 'non duality', as that is the prevalent spiritual background here I imagine, but 'whatever works' is fine of course what do you think when you hear the word 'enlightened'? do you think there are what's called 'sages' living in the world? if so, what sets them apart? how would the lives of the sage and the not-sage be different? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 16, 2022 14:26:31 GMT -5
Sorrow? Where did that word come from? There is no distress here, not even when I cry, I just chalk it up to being highly sensitive, but who knows. Would love for you to wet my cheek, even one solitary tear would do, but I can't tell if you're being completely forthright here or behaving with the utmost of honesty.. ..but you do, and your words will reflect that The banality of evil is a concept of Hannah Arendt. My concept patterned on hers would be the banality of sorrow. We have gotten used to living in a world of human pain and suffering.
No tears. You know her? You just advanced a step.  She was friends with Heidegger and Jaspers, and lover of Heidegger. But when Heidegger became a Nazi, well...she couldn't buy that. How could anybody? |
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Post by sree on Aug 16, 2022 14:41:04 GMT -5
The banality of evil is a concept of Hannah Arendt. My concept patterned on hers would be the banality of sorrow. We have gotten used to living in a world of human pain and suffering.
No tears. You just advanced a step. She was friends with Heidegger and Jaspers, and lover of Heidegger. But when Heidegger became a Nazi, well...she couldn't buy that. How could anybody? My mom talked about her book. Mom is a voracious reader. The first book she gave me was "The Little Prince". Every week, she would take me with her to the library. I would help her lug bags of books back to the car. How could anyone read so many books? Apparently, reading is an American habit. If it wasn't for her, I wouldn't have picked up that Krishnamurti book from that pile on the sidewalk. I remember her reading Krishnamurti. She has a spiritual bent. It's a New York thing. She told me that she went to Findhorn. |
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