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Post by andrew on Aug 15, 2022 13:49:13 GMT -5
I'm not 'offended', but do you see me as the authoritarian or do you believe I support authoritarians? (Politically, I'm probably closest to what some folks call 'anarchy', though ultimately, I reject any model) www.en.nvcwiki.com/index.php/Compassionate_anarchismNot at all. I was trolling you. Being a brat. You're not. I know. Super nice person. Oh haha you bloody got me! As my daughter has gotten older and we no longer comfortably relate as parent/child, we've found we can still connect with each other by gently trolling each other! She'll appreciate this one  Cheers dude. |
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Post by zazeniac on Aug 15, 2022 13:49:29 GMT -5
Now I see what you've been angling towards. You want a father figure, a benign dictator. Problem with that is succession. If you get a bad one, it takes bloodshed to remove them. Here, we have a better chance of removing the dufuses without bloodshed. I'll take my chances with the people. Always had an aversion towards authoritarian figures, why Reefs and Andy cause the old hackles to rise. You could always emigrate. You have got it all wrong. stardust was pointing to the philosopher-king not getting elected by the people. I cited Singapore, a parliamentary democracy.
The only answer to a well-run society is one made up of spiritually-awakened electorate, not immoral mindless duds. I am talking about a world not over-run by crooks and fools. We are just a bunch of duds and demons burning in Hell with Lucifer and his devils running it. I am baring the truth.
LMAO! You have to be mostly Italian, lot of your mom, a sense for the dramatic. But somehow you seem like a good, well intentioned person. Have you ever seen Fabio Fognini, the Italian tennis pro complain about a call? It is priceless. He invokes holy names like you. Don't they have a sequestered servant class? Flogging? Being a westerner, you get a privileged view of Singapore. There's no heaven on earth, unless you die a la laffy. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 13:50:54 GMT -5
Not at all. I was trolling you. Being a brat. You're not. I know. Super nice person. Oh haha you bloody got me! As my daughter has gotten older and we no longer comfortably relate as parent/child, we've found we can still connect with each other by gently trolling each other! She'll appreciate this one Cheers dude. yeah it was a weird place for you to even get mentioned. maybe zaz is hitting the sauce again |
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Post by andrew on Aug 15, 2022 13:52:25 GMT -5
Oh haha you bloody got me! As my daughter has gotten older and we no longer comfortably relate as parent/child, we've found we can still connect with each other by gently trolling each other! She'll appreciate this one Cheers dude. yeah it was a weird place for you to even get mentioned. maybe zaz is hitting the sauce again |
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Post by zazeniac on Aug 15, 2022 14:00:16 GMT -5
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Post by sree on Aug 15, 2022 14:08:03 GMT -5
Chuangtze explained Jesus' Sermon on the Mount. The empty boat points to why Jesus wanted us to turn the other cheek. The boatman is the object of hate. Empty boat cannot incite hate.
I would rather you focus on Jesus' teaching. You won't figure out what your own kind is saying to you and prefer to rummage through the inscrutable musings of a Chinaman? I doubt if you have ever even swallowed a wonton. You need to go back and read the end again. Chuang Tzu says if you go through life like an empty boat, no one will ever get angry with you. This is the empty self which you say is impossible, which you said J Krishnamurti got wrong. Chuang Tzu did not say to treat everyone else as empty boats. He said for ~you~ yourself to be empty. Empty is not ambiguous. Empty means empty. Look, in my reply to ouroboros int the "Death" thread, I gave a distinction between Krishnamurti's definition of the self and that of mine. I objectify the self as the boat (body) without the boatman. Krishnamurti's self is the person (Boatman in boat)
The empty boat points to the essential nature of things (created by the consciousness). All things (including people) are like cardboard cutouts. Look into the mirror. There is no one (boatman) there.
All harmful emotions (i.e. rage, compassion, lust, etc) are incited by presence of the person (boatman).
If I am not being clear, inconsistent or dead wrong, point out the error. I will eat my shoe if it is on the wrong foot. This is an inquiry. I am here to learn.
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Post by sree on Aug 15, 2022 14:17:56 GMT -5
Figure what out? How to unify the country or why any attempt to do that would upset the people?
But there are deep divisions.. some revolving around the size and scope of government, about some fictitious concept of 'law and order', about gender, about race, about the role of religion in government.. lots of things divisions, man and all the while being exacerbated by those looking for some fleeting fame or coin This is not complicated at all if we are concerned about our well-being, your grand kids well-being.
You don't have control of the government. One vote among 150 to 200 million, right? What is the point to your right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness if you don't have control? You never had control. Talking about getting screwed. The final insult to injury is that you don't even know who is reaming your ass.
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Post by sree on Aug 15, 2022 14:22:16 GMT -5
For God's sake, speak English. This is America. |
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Post by sree on Aug 15, 2022 14:45:13 GMT -5
You are deflecting and ought to have your butt kicked: You're fired! not deflecting.. wasn't sure what the question was so I was just babbling ok wiseguy, break it all down for me.. most of the government is comprised of civil service workers... big shots come and go. so what? There is no way to find out what is going wrong when the government has gotten so damn humongous. We are supposed to be a republic made up of 50 states. Why are all our senators and representatives huddling together in Washington DC for? Bring them all back to their respective states so they can focus on their constituents, namely you and me. And take our money back. Taxes should only be paid by residents to their respective states. The smaller the government, the bigger you are, and the more effective your control. Right now, the President sees you as a gnat to be squashed underfoot. Talk about dictatorship. We are living in one.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 15:04:50 GMT -5
This is a very complicated question and likely beyond the scope of this forum to dig in too deeply.
But there are deep divisions.. some revolving around the size and scope of government, about some fictitious concept of 'law and order', about gender, about race, about the role of religion in government.. lots of things divisions, man and all the while being exacerbated by those looking for some fleeting fame or coin This is not complicated at all if we are concerned about our well-being, your grand kids well-being.
You don't have control of the government. One vote among 150 to 200 million, right? What is the point to your right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness if you don't have control? You never had control. Talking about getting screwed. The final insult to injury is that you don't even know who is reaming your ass.
if someone was reaming my ass I'm sure I'd be the first to know about it. and nope, no ream, so far so good over here! but sure you should probably get to the bottom of your hemorrhoid condition if you want them to go away, or at least to make peace with them and don't be such a dummy - if you feel you see an injustice, a wrong which needs righting.. object to it, fight against it.. get your ass out on the street like Martin Luther King did don't just bitch out the window like Howard Beale on the tv and edit to fucking add.. oohrahh.. having been a graduate of Parris Island I know a thing or two about what an actually reaming is and what it can do to you. so at ease soldier |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 15, 2022 16:04:18 GMT -5
You need to go back and read the end again. Chuang Tzu says if you go through life like an empty boat, no one will ever get angry with you. This is the empty self which you say is impossible, which you said J Krishnamurti got wrong. Chuang Tzu did not say to treat everyone else as empty boats. He said for ~you~ yourself to be empty. Empty is not ambiguous. Empty means empty. Look, in my reply to ouroboros int the "Death" thread, I gave a distinction between Krishnamurti's definition of the self and that of mine. I objectify the self as the boat (body) without the boatman. Krishnamurti's self is the person (Boatman in boat)
The empty boat points to the essential nature of things (created by the consciousness). All things (including people) are like cardboard cutouts. Look into the mirror. There is no one (boatman) there.
All harmful emotions (i.e. rage, compassion, lust, etc) are incited by presence of the person (boatman).
If I am not being clear, inconsistent or dead wrong, point out the error. I will eat my shoe if it is on the wrong foot. This is an inquiry. I am here to learn.
So for sree, there is nobody who is responsible? I'm asking. When you say negative emotions are incited by the boatman, I don't know what you mean, as you said that boatmen are merely cardboard cutouts. How do negative emotions arise? Who/what sees there is no boatman? (Who/what sees what we consider the boatman are merely cardboard cutouts?) You seem to have shown there is a perpetuating loop (created by the consciousness). What is the way out of the perpetuating loop? I am not saying you are wrong (except you yourself don't seem very happy), I'm just saying I don't understand your view. You say humanity is one whole. It seems you are saying there is no individual change (for the reasons above and from past posts). I don't see the Whole changing, It Just Is. So I see no possibility of change, in your POV. So we are back to square one. I don't know why sree is here. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 15, 2022 16:07:56 GMT -5
This is not complicated at all if we are concerned about our well-being, your grand kids well-being.
You don't have control of the government. One vote among 150 to 200 million, right? What is the point to your right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness if you don't have control? You never had control. Talking about getting screwed. The final insult to injury is that you don't even know who is reaming your ass.
if someone was reaming my ass I'm sure I'd be the first to know about it. and nope, no ream, so far so good over here! but sure you should probably get to the bottom of your hemorrhoid condition if you want them to go away, or at least to make peace with them and don't be such a dummy - if you feel you see an injustice, a wrong which needs righting.. object to it, fight against it.. get your ass out on the street like Martin Luther King did don't just bitch out the window like Howard Beale on the tv and edit to fucking add.. oohrahh.. having been a graduate of Parris Island I know a thing or two about what an actually reaming is and what it can do to you. so at ease soldier |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 17:40:30 GMT -5
You need to go back and read the end again. Chuang Tzu says if you go through life like an empty boat, no one will ever get angry with you. This is the empty self which you say is impossible, which you said J Krishnamurti got wrong. Chuang Tzu did not say to treat everyone else as empty boats. He said for ~you~ yourself to be empty. Empty is not ambiguous. Empty means empty. Look, in my reply to ouroboros int the "Death" thread, I gave a distinction between Krishnamurti's definition of the self and that of mine. I objectify the self as the boat (body) without the boatman. Krishnamurti's self is the person (Boatman in boat)
The empty boat points to the essential nature of things (created by the consciousness). All things (including people) are like cardboard cutouts. Look into the mirror. There is no one (boatman) there.
All harmful emotions (i.e. rage, compassion, lust, etc) are incited by presence of the person (boatman).
If I am not being clear, inconsistent or dead wrong, point out the error. I will eat my shoe if it is on the wrong foot. This is an inquiry. I am here to learn.
Well with all due respect I hope you have a healthy fucking appetite |
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Post by zazeniac on Aug 15, 2022 19:18:05 GMT -5
Roy Orbison! Wow! Levitates me. Fucking awesome. Just realized you could write the f word. Fuck no punctuation freedom
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 19:25:56 GMT -5
Roy Orbison! Wow! Levitates me. Fucking awesome. Just realized you could write the f word. Fuck no punctuation freedom Of course, not about me.. but I know I am a bad, bad man, and you need not remind me.  |
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Cheers dude. 
