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Post by lolly on Jun 15, 2022 23:40:44 GMT -5
Every quack has 1000 testimonies just as 1000s of people attest to flat earth, and to say they can cure cancer is lying. There are many cases in medicine where cancer goes into complete remission, and of course optimising the immune system through nutrition and activity is extremely effective, but some make it and some die. Morse is a quack and the diet recommendations are not nutritionally sound and all but impossible to adhere to, and since there is no record of his success rate, there is nothing to say. Of course he has testimonials and people who advocate, but so does the carnivore diet. I think what tends to happen is people go on some radical diet, but the effect is simply they stop eating processed packaged food and start eating whole fresh food.
There is some proper research on fasting which shows benefits, and the vegan researchers also show very good outcomes, but when these things are researched properly, the amazing 'cure cancer' type claims don't hold up. Other so-called chronic conditions like blood pressure, diabetes and some others can be reversed, but not always, and usually not completely, but the improvements are generally very good.
I know people like the idea that trained professionals are wrong and there's a quick easy fix, but it's not so black and white. For example, a medical doctor can't help anyone with nutrition any more than can help with exercise, but they know nutrition and exercise will benefit anyone with any medical condition. For example there was some research in Western Australia that made a large group of chemo patients go the gym with properly trained exercise physiologists immediately after their radiation sessions and compared them to other patients that went straight home. The former group had far better outcomes than the latter, but do we say 'exercise cures cancer'? No. We tell people the truth. I have no doubt the outcomes would have been even better if they optimised nutrition as well, but even then, significantly more people live, but a large number still die. If Moore was above board, he present the actual statistics instead of pretending he can cure anything. I've been involved in a healing centre, and we were serviced by all sorts of fastintg, herb guys, vegan foodies, and the fruit thing was like gospel. We has the reiki feller, a lot of meditations - it was the works. People came there with last hopes and nothing to lose and I honestly can't remember one that didn't die. It does happen, but rarely. Some lesser ill people did well and improved or recovered, so I'm not saying it's all invalid, but it doesn't 'cure cancer'. I've heard of some guys who are doing real clinical research with fasting, and very low calorie diets, but they are professionals and i assume they understand metabolic adaptation and how nutrients work, but I don't follow that research closely because I'm not a clinician of any description. I do lifestyle things, and if someone needs a medical diet I suggest a dietitian. But it doesn't work the way you're thinking. It's complex and we consider everything from individual differences to their social, environmental dimensions and bring together an approach which is realistic and sustainable for the rest of their lives. It's not up to me to say be a vegan or whatever, and frankly, anyone who is preaching like a diet-guru, vegan, keto-warrior or whatever, just doesn't understand things from individual to large-scale dimensions. I'm glad they do their bit because it broadens options, but they aren't realistic about helping everyone or anyone.
I would bet the approach I take has a far greater effect on quality of life, morbidity and mortality that any Moore-like personality, hands down, and I'm sure every single client would write me a glowing testimonial, but to me, a testimonial is sub-par. I don't even use them for marketing because even though that would work and no one would think less of me, it seriously undermines my standards. I talk to people individually about the way in which I might help them with their maladies, but I don't tell anyone I can cure anything because, since I'm not deluded, that would be dishonest. Still, we know full well that proper nutrition and exercise is the leading determinant of good health, quality of life and longevity and anyone who claims to do better is quackers.
Look, Lolly. You are not a medical doctor and based on what you've just written tells me that you didn't watch the video and also don't know much about detox, fasting and juicing in general, let alone the science behind it. Which puts your entire counter-argument on very shaky grounds. Not only that, it also reflects very badly on you and your own practice. You see, if you want to refute another's argument, you first have to fully understand their argument. If you don't, you are just engaging in a strawman argument. Which is basically what you are doing here when you get hung up on this Morse character again. I gave you the roadmap for fully understanding my argument, including the scientific basis, but you don't seem to be interested at all. So there's no intelligent discussion to be had with you. I'm sorry. I am also a bit surprised at your tact here, calling others you know nothing about quacks or even criminals. I am genuinely disappointed, Lolly. The only way I can explain this is that you don't actually understand my point. Why that is, I don't know. It's not rocket science after all. Like it or not, there's a scientific basis to all of this. You are not wrong, and I agreed with you already that you can't just use a generic approach with this. But your rather strong opinions on this subject seem to be mostly based on projections and (slanderous) hearsay. Because anyone with only a little bit of experience in that area knows that this is not a quick fix. It takes usually months if not a full year to fully regenerate. And it usually ain't pretty either (healing crisis). It does take some willpower to even get started and even more willpower to keep going. And you also have to change your lifestyle permanently. Which is probably the reason why most attempts at this fail in the end. You don't have to be 100% fruit or raw forevermore. It should go without saying that in the colder climates being a fruitarian is not actually feasible, not financially and in some cases also not logistically. And not even Morse is on a 100% raw diet and he lives in the tropics! Another factor anyone with a bit of experience in fasting and juicing will come to understand is that food is always also a social event, and if you go full hardcore, you'll have to miss out on a lot of socializing opportunities. And many people don't want that and so they don't follow thru. You'll be surprised when do a fast and discover how much of our lives, both in terms of time and resources, actually revolves around food - thinking about food, talking about food, buying food, preparing food... Also, as you rightly said, it's one among many other factors that contribute to sound health, but it is an important one. So, bottom line, I don't think you need to live 100% raw. But if you have some chronic ailments that just don't go away, going raw for a while may be an alternative worth looking into. That's all I am saying. And the best testimonial is your own testimonial! You have to try it yourself. Just sitting in your chair and philosophizing about the advantages and disadvantages of different diets and approaches to healing doesn't cut it. You have to get your feet wet. But, with all this focus on the physical body and diet, let's not forget our mental diet either! Anyway, all I can offer you for now is to agree to disagree. You are not wrong, you know, about quackery and stuff. It does happen. And it's unfortunate. But you are trying to throw out the baby with the bathwater. And that's equally unfortunate. It's not like there's no quackery happening in the medical system, right? So let's keep it fair and balanced.  Sure I'm aware of detox cleanse hokum, keto nonsense and the rest of it, which although many claims are made, and every nutrition-guru video has 3000 positive comments, their claims don't withstand scrutiny and the truisms they sell people on end up being more complex and nuanced in reality. I didn't discredit fasts and such in my posts in the first place, though. I actually said researchers have been discovering good things, and the vegan medics are having a lot of success. I'm glad they are doing it because it all gives more info and more different lifestyle options.
The problem is, these diets are very restrictive, almost impossible to adhere to, incompatible to social settings, and the reason they ultimately fail is because they do not actually constitute a healthy lifestyle. Not that you can't have a healthy vegan life - just that the percentage of people who stick to it for the lifespan is practically zero.
In my practice I have a lot of success because I understand all the things on different levels and how that applies to different people, and maybe a big fat bloke with the associated maladies would benefit greatly from a vegan approach, no doubt, but it depends if he is prepared to, and that rarely happens. Then what is Moore or a vegan medic going to do? They are one dimensional, and they just do the one thing, but they aren't actually 'successful' because no one adheres for the life-span.
The reason I succeed is I can work with anyone and they don't have to be a vegan or keto or any other special but impossible-to-stick-with way of eating. It's more complex, but many vegans have terrible nutrition, and I know how to sort that out. I can sort things out for anyone regardless of preferences, performance goals, social situation etc., not just a quick fix, but for the rest of their lives. I also know all about physiology and can bring people who can barely get up to doing really hard things in a pretty short time by blending nutrition and activity, but I don't claim to know everything, work miracles or 'cure cancer' or anything like that. No healer with integrity be they medical, herbal, spiritual or other would ever make a claim like that.
If people are hell bent on a moore-type thing, a juice cleanse, a keto phase, or whatever it is they are into, as some people are, then might as well go ahead and do that, and once it's over, get in touch and we'll sort out something that actually works for you in your overall life.
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Post by lolly on Jun 16, 2022 0:05:01 GMT -5
PS, there is no shortage of quackery in any of these spaces, and I'm loathe to admit it, but my own fitness sphere is pretty much one big scam.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 16, 2022 0:49:51 GMT -5
Sure I'm aware of detox cleanse hokum, keto nonsense and the rest of it, which although many claims are made, and every nutrition-guru video has 3000 positive comments, their claims don't withstand scrutiny and the truisms they sell people on end up being more complex and nuanced in reality. I didn't discredit fasts and such in my posts in the first place, though. I actually said researchers have been discovering good things, and the vegan medics are having a lot of success. I'm glad they are doing it because it all gives more info and more different lifestyle options. The problem is, these diets are very restrictive, almost impossible to adhere to, incompatible to social settings, and the reason they ultimately fail is because they do not actually constitute a healthy lifestyle. Not that you can't have a healthy vegan life - just that the percentage of people who stick to it for the lifespan is practically zero. In my practice I have a lot of success because I understand all the things on different levels and how that applies to different people, and maybe a big fat bloke with the associated maladies would benefit greatly from a vegan approach, no doubt, but it depends if he is prepared to, and that rarely happens. Then what is Moore or a vegan medic going to do? They are one dimensional, and they just do the one thing, but they aren't actually 'successful' because no one adheres for the life-span. Vegan? Raw, Lolly! Raw fruit and raw vegetables, eaten or juiced. Vegan would be the last thing Morse would recommend because this would mean that you could also cook your food and eat pizza, pasta, rice and bread which will put you firmly in the acidic range. The whole point of the naturopath approach to so-called 'diseases of civilization' like cancer, diabetes etc. is to move you out of the acidic range which causes all these problems of inflammation everywhere in the body. Morse's mantra is that an acidic milieu breaks down tissue, an alkaline milieu regenerates tissue. They look at cancer basically as an extreme case of chronic inflammation (something that the professor indirectly confirmed), the cells suffocating in their own waste (that's the puzzle piece the professor was still missing). That's why the focus on connective tissue, interstitial fluid and the lymphatic system, i.e. detox and cleansing plus alkaline diet. As you said earlier, the body is built to detox itself, but that only works when the body's own sewer system (lymphatic system) is functioning properly and is not overloaded all the time. Unfortunately, with a standard western diet and our unhealthy live styles, that is usually not the case. Another point in case of juicing is to give the digestive system a rest and let the body focus its energies on healing instead of digesting 24/7. What Morse also always says is that you have to move your lymph. This is where specific exercises will be used. So this is a wholly integrated approach, not just sucking on fruit all day as you seem to assume. So you see, like I suspected, you don't even understand the argument and logic behind the practice of the people you are criticizing. The topic of our discussion has been how to heal modern diseases like cancer. If your approach can't heal cancer, then what you have to offer is useless in that regard. So what the heck are you even arguing, Lolly? And why are you comparing yourself to Morse, he's playing in a whole different league! Look, Lolly. I'm pretty sure you are good at what you are doing. I found your input on exercises very valuable. But on this cancer topic and alternative approaches to healing, you seem to be way out of your depth. You don't even understand it theoretically. Said that, I think we better stop here and leave it at that. Have a nice day!  |
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Post by Reefs on Jun 16, 2022 0:52:50 GMT -5
PS, there is no shortage of quackery in any of these spaces, and I'm loathe to admit it, but my own fitness sphere is pretty much one big scam. Yeah, fitness is maybe even worse. But you seem very knowledgeable on this subject and I actually trust your input on fitness topics. I may have to get back on your comments on swimming, it was almost a bit too technical for me. But I'll check out your links and keep you updated. |
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Post by lolly on Jun 16, 2022 2:02:28 GMT -5
PS, there is no shortage of quackery in any of these spaces, and I'm loathe to admit it, but my own fitness sphere is pretty much one big scam. Yeah, fitness is maybe even worse. But you seem very knowledgeable on this subject and I actually trust your input on fitness topics. I may have to get back on your comments on swimming, it was almost a bit too technical for me. But I'll check out your links and keep you updated. Indeed, fitness is where any halfwit on steroids becomes the latest tik tok insta-star expert of everything selling programs and supplements (fake natty heaven). I'm more technical because going few steps back, and even all the way back to the most primary fundamentals, identifies weakness across strength, symmetry, joint stability and mobility, and neurological firing. Ironing that out prevents avoidable injuries which is important because consistency is the key, and niggling injuries upset consistency. There's probably really good 'strength training or swimmers' swim coaches on you tube, and they would know more than I do about such a specific application. This guy says sensible sounding things www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoQnsbfMCeI. Still, looking at thise drills, I'd be more technical about it. Much more. It really makes no sense to say 'prevent injury' in the intro and then put those drills in that category. Mind/muscle connection can't be established this way, and in my philosophy, it all starts with mind muscle connection and deliberate hard contractions. This fast explosive movements and complex planks are good, but are high risk of injury, so I'd always make sure of body awareness, joint stability and overall body strength before moving on to those sorts of drills. He probably knows what he's doing, but I think my approach is a far better way. No doubt there. |
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Post by lolly on Jun 16, 2022 2:55:51 GMT -5
No one with integrity is claiming they can cure cancer because even the most knowing of healers understand that often times people will not resolve underlying issues in this lifetime. People who don't understand might claim to cure cancer (when they can't) but no one who does understand will ever claim to.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 16, 2022 4:08:00 GMT -5
No one with integrity is claiming they can cure cancer because even the most knowing of healers understand that often times people will not resolve underlying issues in this lifetime. People who don't understand might claim to cure cancer (when they can't) but no one who does understand will ever claim to. Well, to be fair to Morse, he wouldn't actually say that. He usually says that only nature can heal and then doctors take all the credit, haha. In a sense it's a Taoist approach, aka do not interfere with nature. But what he does say though (and other naturopaths as well) is that there are no incurable diseases. And that does resonate deeply because it's in line with the LOA/deliberate creation teachings. A-H say the same thing all the time. But when they say that, it often sounds like wishful thinking. So when I heard Morse say that and also explain why he could say that, it did resonate immediately and also made a lot of sense. But it is radically different approach to life and health, similar to the radical difference in approach to life between the western linear thinking approach and the eastern holistic thinking approach that Watts always talks about. |
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Post by Reefs on Jun 16, 2022 4:29:17 GMT -5
Yeah, fitness is maybe even worse. But you seem very knowledgeable on this subject and I actually trust your input on fitness topics. I may have to get back on your comments on swimming, it was almost a bit too technical for me. But I'll check out your links and keep you updated. Indeed, fitness is where any halfwit on steroids becomes the latest tik tok insta-star expert of everything selling programs and supplements (fake natty heaven). I'm more technical because going few steps back, and even all the way back to the most primary fundamentals, identifies weakness across strength, symmetry, joint stability and mobility, and neurological firing. Ironing that out prevents avoidable injuries which is important because consistency is the key, and niggling injuries upset consistency. There's probably really good 'strength training or swimmers' swim coaches on you tube, and they would know more than I do about such a specific application. This guy says sensible sounding things www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoQnsbfMCeI. Still, looking at thise drills, I'd be more technical about it. Much more. It really makes no sense to say 'prevent injury' in the intro and then put those drills in that category. Mind/muscle connection can't be established this way, and in my philosophy, it all starts with mind muscle connection and deliberate hard contractions. This fast explosive movements and complex planks are good, but are high risk of injury, so I'd always make sure of body awareness, joint stability and overall body strength before moving on to those sorts of drills. He probably knows what he's doing, but I think my approach is a far better way. No doubt there. Nice! I know that guy, I watched several of his swimming videos on technique. His video on flip turns is really good but his approach to swimming is the land mammal approach. If I would follow his advice, I would have to look like a hulk with overdeveloped muscles in very specific areas in order to get the effects in terms of speed I get with the graceful freestyle approach. So he's a good example of what I meant when I said a lot of videos teach swimming the wrong way, and by wrong I mean the hard work and effort way as opposed to the easy and effortless way. I like your mindset, Lolly. By mind/muscle connection you mean alignment/coherence of body/mind, to really be present in the body, I assume? That prevented me many times from injuries. You can feel it if you don't take it slow or stop you'll get hurt. From my current perspective though, I would think that the main source of injury would be stiff tissue that is overexerted. What's your take? Doing planks and pushups sounds good. I'll do that. But I wasn't really so much interested in training the muscles I already do use while swimming than the muscles that swimming is sort of neglecting. To balance that out. I'm not sure about these explosive movements. I don't really have any explosive movements when I swim freestyle, it's all one nice flow. When I swim breast stroke though, the only explosive movement would be the kick (upper leg muscles). So I'm not sure what the benefit would be for me if I do those exercises. Maybe you can explain. |
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Post by lolly on Jun 16, 2022 7:44:03 GMT -5
Indeed, fitness is where any halfwit on steroids becomes the latest tik tok insta-star expert of everything selling programs and supplements (fake natty heaven). I'm more technical because going few steps back, and even all the way back to the most primary fundamentals, identifies weakness across strength, symmetry, joint stability and mobility, and neurological firing. Ironing that out prevents avoidable injuries which is important because consistency is the key, and niggling injuries upset consistency. There's probably really good 'strength training or swimmers' swim coaches on you tube, and they would know more than I do about such a specific application. This guy says sensible sounding things www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoQnsbfMCeI. Still, looking at thise drills, I'd be more technical about it. Much more. It really makes no sense to say 'prevent injury' in the intro and then put those drills in that category. Mind/muscle connection can't be established this way, and in my philosophy, it all starts with mind muscle connection and deliberate hard contractions. This fast explosive movements and complex planks are good, but are high risk of injury, so I'd always make sure of body awareness, joint stability and overall body strength before moving on to those sorts of drills. He probably knows what he's doing, but I think my approach is a far better way. No doubt there. Nice! I know that guy, I watched several of his swimming videos on technique. His video on flip turns is really good but his approach to swimming is the land mammal approach. If I would follow his advice, I would have to look like a hulk with overdeveloped muscles in very specific areas in order to get the effects in terms of speed I get with the graceful freestyle approach. So he's a good example of what I meant when I said a lot of videos teach swimming the wrong way, and by wrong I mean the hard work and effort way as opposed to the easy and effortless way. I like your mindset, Lolly. By mind/muscle connection you mean alignment/coherence of body/mind, to really be present in the body, I assume? That prevented me many times from injuries. You can feel it if you don't take it slow or stop you'll get hurt. From my current perspective though, I would think that the main source of injury would be stiff tissue that is overexerted. What's your take? Doing planks and pushups sounds good. I'll do that. But I wasn't really so much interested in training the muscles I already do use while swimming than the muscles that swimming is sort of neglecting. To balance that out. I'm not sure about these explosive movements. I don't really have any explosive movements when I swim freestyle, it's all one nice flow. When I swim breast stroke though, the only explosive movement would be the kick (upper leg muscles). So I'm not sure what the benefit would be for me if I do those exercises. Maybe you can explain. He does seem to do all those hard exercises, and jumping down into a burpee catching yourself on on extended wrists is not a great idea. I know a girl who is a high ranking sports aerobics competitor, and she's as fit as you can get, but she wears wrist braces in the gym because her wrists hurt since jumping into a push up position like that is a common movement in her sport. Doing those complex plank variations is also something that is likely to go wrong when fatigue sets in, so I thought there unecessary risk in some of those drills. Besides, going straight to full body movements like that misses the mind/body awareness stage. Most trainers over look that because they are thinking' compound is better', but isolation is the way to learn mind muscle connection and train the neurons for deliberate hard muscle contractions. It's also much nicer, smooth, tempo controlled, full range of motion with more precise posture and control over the whole movement.
I watched another guy who presented strength training or swimmers, and he did use the lat pull over like I said a couple of posts back, but his posture wasn't much good because he doesn't really understand things in a detailed anatomical way. He also had deadlifts, which is a great idea, but he executed them poorly, messed up the breathing, had zero lat activation (which is what a swimmer would really want), and didn't even lock out the glutes and quads to end the lift. It's just not a good idea to deadlift without really precise form.
I think with swimming you want to get more distance and/or speed out of a stroke without breaking or disturbing the water, so I can imagine how one would get control over scapula and arm to really reach out and bring it in by firing muscles in the right order like electricity from the core rotating like a drill through the lat and arm to the hand... and we really have to imagine that lat as part of the core as it not only moves the arm down and through, but also stablises the spine where the lat originates... and then the guy does lat pullovers with poor posture? It doesn't make sense. Posture in that motion is the 'whole thing' when thinking of a swim specific movement. The advantage is it produces much more resistance that the water would so you have a stronger stroke. Then the whole structure can be enhanced with unilateral lat pull downs that take advantage of the weight not only to accrue muscle and enhance strength, but to also stretch out the full extension under load and develop more microscopic control. The posture of the pull down can be varied to better suit freestyle or breaststroke too, and trunk rotation can also be worked into such exercises. So much more can be done that the two people I saw on you tube, and a single exercise can do more than one thing and really unify the whole, but the devils in the details of anatomy and physiology, and if there's any weakness anywhere in the chain, it will be revealed.
Actually I changed my mind. I now doubt there are swim coaches on you tube that know more than me when it comes to this. In the pool for sure, they're streets ahead, but in the weight room they're nowhere near. haha.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 8:20:49 GMT -5
A quick point about swimming dry land exercises. One thing I would recommend is doing a bit of something to supinate your shoulder joint. If you don't know what that means you can look it up and I'm sure there are exercise lists. Or I can post a followup to list some specific ones. Supination is the opposite of pronation, which is overdone by the freestyle stroke. Many swimmers get shoulders that are kind of rounded over forward, over-pronated. A rubber cord or cable machine is a good way to do the supination exercises. These are small muscles, light weight resistance. Just something to balance out the swimming movement.
Reefs, if you're doing the more relaxed endurance-style stoke it's probably not as necessary, but I still think it could be useful.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 8:36:24 GMT -5
No one with integrity is claiming they can cure cancer because even the most knowing of healers understand that often times people will not resolve underlying issues in this lifetime. People who don't understand might claim to cure cancer (when they can't) but no one who does understand will ever claim to. I'm mostly with you on this one. I'm open to the possibility of magic and miracles, but some of the stuff Reefs says seems very unlikely to be true. He sometimes adds a point to his posts, saying that people who disagree with him are mentally/spiritually inferior – "indoctrinated with dogma", "asleep", etc. – which can make the post a bit more annoying that it probably needs to be. I suspect that the infamous "denial of death" may be in play here. I get it. It's disturbing, and can be sad, or scary. But it also seems that an honest facing of death and our situation as humans could lead to deeper truth and realization. I don't know whether Reefs has found the secret to curing cancer, or whether he is in denial of death, mortality, and human limitation. I hope he's found the secret! It will benefit all of us. |
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Post by Reefs on Jun 16, 2022 9:58:43 GMT -5
I think with swimming you want to get more distance and/or speed out of a stroke without breaking or disturbing the water, so I can imagine how one would get control over scapula and arm to really reach out and bring it in by firing muscles in the right order like electricity from the core rotating like a drill through the lat and arm to the hand... and we really have to imagine that lat as part of the core as it not only moves the arm down and through, but also stablises the spine where the lat originates... and then the guy does lat pullovers with poor posture? It doesn't make sense. Posture in that motion is the 'whole thing' when thinking of a swim specific movement. The advantage is it produces much more resistance that the water would so you have a stronger stroke. Then the whole structure can be enhanced with unilateral lat pull downs that take advantage of the weight not only to accrue muscle and enhance strength, but to also stretch out the full extension under load and develop more microscopic control. The posture of the pull down can be varied to better suit freestyle or breaststroke too, and trunk rotation can also be worked into such exercises. So much more can be done that the two people I saw on you tube, and a single exercise can do more than one thing and really unify the whole, but the devils in the details of anatomy and physiology, and if there's any weakness anywhere in the chain, it will be revealed. Actually I changed my mind. I now doubt there are swim coaches on you tube that know more than me when it comes to this. In the pool for sure, they're streets ahead, but in the weight room they're nowhere near. haha. What you said there was very informative, thank you. I'll give it some thought. Yeah, you're the boss, Lolly.  |
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Post by Reefs on Jun 16, 2022 10:09:11 GMT -5
A quick point about swimming dry land exercises. One thing I would recommend is doing a bit of something to supinate your shoulder joint. If you don't know what that means you can look it up and I'm sure there are exercise lists. Or I can post a followup to list some specific ones. Supination is the opposite of pronation, which is overdone by the freestyle stroke. Many swimmers get shoulders that are kind of rounded over forward, over-pronated. A rubber cord or cable machine is a good way to do the supination exercises. These are small muscles, light weight resistance. Just something to balance out the swimming movement. Reefs, if you're doing the more relaxed endurance-style stoke it's probably not as necessary, but I still think it could be useful. Yes, it's not really an issue. Although I do some of that as part of my stretching routine already, but not specifically to balance out swimming movement. I'll try out some exercises and see what kind effect that has. Thanks for bringing this up. |
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Post by Reefs on Jun 16, 2022 10:24:42 GMT -5
No one with integrity is claiming they can cure cancer because even the most knowing of healers understand that often times people will not resolve underlying issues in this lifetime. People who don't understand might claim to cure cancer (when they can't) but no one who does understand will ever claim to. I'm mostly with you on this one. I'm open to the possibility of magic and miracles, but some of the stuff Reefs says seems very unlikely to be true. He sometimes adds a point to his posts, saying that people who disagree with him are mentally/spiritually inferior – "indoctrinated with dogma", "asleep", etc. – which can make the post a bit more annoying that it probably needs to be. I suspect that the infamous "denial of death" may be in play here. I get it. It's disturbing, and can be sad, or scary. But it also seems that an honest facing of death and our situation as humans could lead to deeper truth and realization. I don't know whether Reefs has found the secret to curing cancer, or whether he is in denial of death, mortality, and human limitation. I hope he's found the secret! It will benefit all of us.  You're not wrong, Robert! I find forums to be rather low energy, ST included, although ST being more on the higher end. That's why I prefer to just dart in, dart out and don't get into any kind of ideological battles these days. But I have a very compassionate streak and without that, I probably would have given up on forums a long time ago. Which reminds me of an A-H monolog, Abe rhetorically asking: "If I see people shooting themselves in the foot day after day, shouldn't I say something?" and they answered "No, not really!" So just think of me as one of those who just feel they have to say something despite knowing that it probably won't go over all that well. But I am writing for a bigger audience anyway. |
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Post by andrew on Jun 16, 2022 14:25:21 GMT -5
No one with integrity is claiming they can cure cancer because even the most knowing of healers understand that often times people will not resolve underlying issues in this lifetime. People who don't understand might claim to cure cancer (when they can't) but no one who does understand will ever claim to. Well, to be fair to Morse, he wouldn't actually say that. He usually says that only nature can heal and then doctors take all the credit, haha. In a sense it's a Taoist approach, aka do not interfere with nature. But what he does say though (and other naturopaths as well) is that there are no incurable diseases. And that does resonate deeply because it's in line with the LOA/deliberate creation teachings. A-H say the same thing all the time. But when they say that, it often sounds like wishful thinking. So when I heard Morse say that and also explain why he could say that, it did resonate immediately and also made a lot of sense. But it is radically different approach to life and health, similar to the radical difference in approach to life between the western linear thinking approach and the eastern holistic thinking approach that Watts always talks about. Yes, there's a significant distinction between someone saying 'this product/technique WILL cure your disease' and 'there are no incurable diseases'. I would be cautious of anyone saying the first, even though I also fully believe the second. And certainly there have been a ton of amazing humans that have stepped forward over the years and said, ''This is what I did to cure my disease, and so I'm offering it to you''. Lester Levenson's (The Sedona Method) story is fascinating. Brandon Bays also springs to mind. Then there's the Healing Code. I used to know loads of them, but can't remember now. My Mum had a brain illness (the name of the illness even had 'Progressive' in the title....what chance did she have lol), and it had similarity to Parkinsons, so I looked on the internet to see if anyone had a story to tell. Sure enough, I found a guy that told a very authentic story of how he cured his Parkinsons (it involved meditation, yoga, bach flower remedies, and a bunch of other things). I totally believed him, and he had the videos to prove it. Now the problem is, can ANYONE do what he did? In theory, yes. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to do those things. Then again, does that mean that everyone WOULD do it? Of course not. Everyone's different, has their own life path, their own interests, their own karmic sh/t to deal with. Even just in terms of 'personality', not everyone will do what might save their life, on the basis that it just doesn't suit their personality to do it. And that's kind of what I hear Lolly saying a bit....it sounds like he assesses someone, based on who they are, and where they are at, in their life, and then offers tailored guidance, based on that. Like, he'd have looked at my Mum, and said, 'well, there's no way she's going to meditate, but she might follow a good diet plan'. To be clear, I haven't read the whole conversation, I just saw the last page and jumped in. |
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